1) If you boot into winPE and partition and format the drive, then run a cd
install of windows 2003 or 2008 and install on the existing, already
formatted partition, does the OS installation re-do or modify the
filesystem? change NTFS permissions?

2) same as question 1, but change cd install to applying a WIM image to the
already created and formatted partition... does the filesystem already
there, or the one in the WIM get used? or does the WIM not really have a
filesystem, but just a folder structure with ntfs permissions? and in that
case are those permissions 'merged' into the existing structure or do they
completely replace the existing structure?

need enlightenment on this... in the past I've done either cd installs and
used the OS setup program to partition and format or I have applied ghost
(sector based) images that already contain the formatting to a hard drive
for deploying servers... now that I've started using the WinPE environment
and wims these quesitons arise.

Hello James.
| >1) If you boot into winPE and partition and format the drive, then run a
cd
| >install of windows 2003 or 2008 and install on the existing, already
| >formatted partition, does the OS installation re-do or modify the
| >filesystem? change NTFS permissions?
So you have a blank drive from the format, you install Windows Server 2003
or Windows Server 2008.
They will run NTFS.sys which is the NTFS driver, that enables features for
that versio of Windows.
It does not redo the entire file system.
The drive is blank so there are no NTFS permissions, the OS sets
permissions on the Windows folders and files.


| >
| >2) same as question 1, but change cd install to applying a WIM image to
the
| >already created and formatted partition... does the filesystem already
| >there, or the one in the WIM get used? or does the WIM not really have a
| >filesystem, but just a folder structure with ntfs permissions? and in
that
| >case are those permissions 'merged' into the existing structure or do
they
| >completely replace the existing structure?

The image is of the OS, not of the entire drive. So it it simply places
the files and folders on top of the existing file system.
There are no permissions on the drive since you just formatted it.
The permissions are on Windows Files and Folders and those come from the
image.
What would be there to be merged?


Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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| >From: "James" <noone@nowhere.com>
| >Subject: WinPE - what happens to filesystem in these scenarios
| >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:22:31 -0400
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| >
| >1) If you boot into winPE and partition and format the drive, then run a
cd
| >install of windows 2003 or 2008 and install on the existing, already
| >formatted partition, does the OS installation re-do or modify the
| >filesystem? change NTFS permissions?
| >
| >2) same as question 1, but change cd install to applying a WIM image to
the
| >already created and formatted partition... does the filesystem already
| >there, or the one in the WIM get used? or does the WIM not really have a
| >filesystem, but just a folder structure with ntfs permissions? and in
that
| >case are those permissions 'merged' into the existing structure or do
they
| >completely replace the existing structure?
| >
| >need enlightenment on this... in the past I've done either cd installs
and
| >used the OS setup program to partition and format or I have applied
ghost
| >(sector based) images that already contain the formatting to a hard
drive
| >for deploying servers... now that I've started using the WinPE
environment
| >and wims these quesitons arise.
| >
| >
| >

thank you so much for the reply Darrell.

1) In both cases as far as what permissions are there after a format I was
thinking of permissions on the root of the drive? I assumed after a format
using /fs:ntfs the root of the drive had some default permissions
assigned.?.. which may potentially get inherited by other folders/files that
get put on the drive? Please confirm this is incorrect...which I'm now
assuming.

2) from your comment I'm thinking there is a seperation between the
'structure' of the filesystem and the 'logic' that is used to work with it?
With formating laying down the structure and the ntfs.sys driver being the
logic... this may clear up another question of mine: If I prepare a drive
within winPE, paritioning and formating using diskpart and format.com, can I
install win2k, 2k3, or 2k8 with no issues? (structure same, logic (ntfs.sys)
different)


""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> Hello James.
> | >1) If you boot into winPE and partition and format the drive, then run
> a
> cd
> | >install of windows 2003 or 2008 and install on the existing, already
> | >formatted partition, does the OS installation re-do or modify the
> | >filesystem? change NTFS permissions?
> So you have a blank drive from the format, you install Windows Server 2003
> or Windows Server 2008.
> They will run NTFS.sys which is the NTFS driver, that enables features for
> that versio of Windows.
> It does not redo the entire file system.
> The drive is blank so there are no NTFS permissions, the OS sets
> permissions on the Windows folders and files.
>
>
> | >
> | >2) same as question 1, but change cd install to applying a WIM image to
> the
> | >already created and formatted partition... does the filesystem already
> | >there, or the one in the WIM get used? or does the WIM not really have
> a
> | >filesystem, but just a folder structure with ntfs permissions? and in
> that
> | >case are those permissions 'merged' into the existing structure or do
> they
> | >completely replace the existing structure?
>
> The image is of the OS, not of the entire drive. So it it simply places
> the files and folders on top of the existing file system.
> There are no permissions on the drive since you just formatted it.
> The permissions are on Windows Files and Folders and those come from the
> image.
> What would be there to be merged?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
>
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights
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> | >From: "James" <noone@nowhere.com>
> | >Subject: WinPE - what happens to filesystem in these scenarios
> | >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:22:31 -0400
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> | >
> | >
> | >1) If you boot into winPE and partition and format the drive, then run
> a
> cd
> | >install of windows 2003 or 2008 and install on the existing, already
> | >formatted partition, does the OS installation re-do or modify the
> | >filesystem? change NTFS permissions?
> | >
> | >2) same as question 1, but change cd install to applying a WIM image to
> the
> | >already created and formatted partition... does the filesystem already
> | >there, or the one in the WIM get used? or does the WIM not really have
> a
> | >filesystem, but just a folder structure with ntfs permissions? and in
> that
> | >case are those permissions 'merged' into the existing structure or do
> they
> | >completely replace the existing structure?
> | >
> | >need enlightenment on this... in the past I've done either cd installs
> and
> | >used the OS setup program to partition and format or I have applied
> ghost
> | >(sector based) images that already contain the formatting to a hard
> drive
> | >for deploying servers... now that I've started using the WinPE
> environment
> | >and wims these quesitons arise.
> | >
> | >
> | >
>

Hello James,
Yes the root of the drive will have permissions on it after the
installation, as part of the OS installation permissions will be set on the
root of the drive.
Sorry wasn't thinking about the root folder.

Yes you should be able to install Windows 2000 Server, Windows Server 2003
or Windows Server 2008.
Each should work with NTFS file system, there should be no issues.

Thanks,
Darrell Gorter[MSFT]

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| >
| > thank you so much for the reply Darrell.
| >
| >1) In both cases as far as what permissions are there after a format I
was
| >thinking of permissions on the root of the drive? I assumed after a
format
| >using /fs:ntfs the root of the drive had some default permissions
| >assigned.?.. which may potentially get inherited by other folders/files
that
| >get put on the drive? Please confirm this is incorrect...which I'm now
| >assuming.
| >
| >2) from your comment I'm thinking there is a seperation between the
| >'structure' of the filesystem and the 'logic' that is used to work with
it?
| >With formating laying down the structure and the ntfs.sys driver being
the
| >logic... this may clear up another question of mine: If I prepare a
drive
| >within winPE, paritioning and formating using diskpart and format.com,
can I
| >install win2k, 2k3, or 2k8 with no issues? (structure same, logic
(ntfs.sys)
| >different)
| >
| >
| >""Darrell Gorter[MSFT]"" <Darrellg@online.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
| >news:ya8tS4$IJHA.5824@TK2MSFTNGHUB02.phx.gbl...
| >> Hello James.
| >> | >1) If you boot into winPE and partition and format the drive, then
run
| >> a
| >> cd
| >> | >install of windows 2003 or 2008 and install on the existing, already
| >> | >formatted partition, does the OS installation re-do or modify the
| >> | >filesystem? change NTFS permissions?
| >> So you have a blank drive from the format, you install Windows Server
2003
| >> or Windows Server 2008.
| >> They will run NTFS.sys which is the NTFS driver, that enables features
for
| >> that versio of Windows.
| >> It does not redo the entire file system.
| >> The drive is blank so there are no NTFS permissions, the OS sets
| >> permissions on the Windows folders and files.
| >>
| >>
| >> | >
| >> | >2) same as question 1, but change cd install to applying a WIM
image to
| >> the
| >> | >already created and formatted partition... does the filesystem
already
| >> | >there, or the one in the WIM get used? or does the WIM not really
have
| >> a
| >> | >filesystem, but just a folder structure with ntfs permissions? and
in
| >> that
| >> | >case are those permissions 'merged' into the existing structure or
do
| >> they
| >> | >completely replace the existing structure?
| >>
| >> The image is of the OS, not of the entire drive. So it it simply
places
| >> the files and folders on top of the existing file system.
| >> There are no permissions on the drive since you just formatted it.
| >> The permissions are on Windows Files and Folders and those come from
the
| >> image.
| >> What would be there to be merged?
| >>
| >>
| >> Thanks,
| >> Darrell Gorter[MSFT]
| >>
| >> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights
| >> --------------------
| >> | >From: "James" <noone@nowhere.com>
| >> | >Subject: WinPE - what happens to filesystem in these scenarios
| >> | >Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:22:31 -0400
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| >>
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| >> microsoft.public.windows.file_system:3244
| >> | >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.windows.server.setup
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | >1) If you boot into winPE and partition and format the drive, then
run
| >> a
| >> cd
| >> | >install of windows 2003 or 2008 and install on the existing, already
| >> | >formatted partition, does the OS installation re-do or modify the
| >> | >filesystem? change NTFS permissions?
| >> | >
| >> | >2) same as question 1, but change cd install to applying a WIM
image to
| >> the
| >> | >already created and formatted partition... does the filesystem
already
| >> | >there, or the one in the WIM get used? or does the WIM not really
have
| >> a
| >> | >filesystem, but just a folder structure with ntfs permissions? and
in
| >> that
| >> | >case are those permissions 'merged' into the existing structure or
do
| >> they
| >> | >completely replace the existing structure?
| >> | >
| >> | >need enlightenment on this... in the past I've done either cd
installs
| >> and
| >> | >used the OS setup program to partition and format or I have applied
| >> ghost
| >> | >(sector based) images that already contain the formatting to a hard
| >> drive
| >> | >for deploying servers... now that I've started using the WinPE
| >> environment
| >> | >and wims these quesitons arise.
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >> | >
| >>
| >
| >
| >