Just wanted to share that any question, discussion, suggestion or whatever
else on Hyper-V should be posted to the Server Virtualization forum.

It is located here:
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/...=583&SiteID=17

This is the forum on anything Hyper-V and being monitored by Microsoft people.

Matthijs

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:34:01 -0700, Matthijs ten Seldam [MSFT] wrote:

> Just wanted to share that any question, discussion, suggestion or whatever
> else on Hyper-V should be posted to the Server Virtualization forum.
>
> It is located here:
> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/...=583&SiteID=17
>
> This is the forum on anything Hyper-V and being monitored by Microsoft people.

Or, if you're like a lot of us and can't stomach web based forums, keep on
posting your Hyper-V questions here and we'll do our best to answer them.

--
Paul Adare
http://www.identit.ca
It is ten o'clock; do you know where your processes are?

Personally I posted here as well when I didn't get any reponse on the forum.

"Paul Adare" <pkadare@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:kzy677o20uxu$.1629vffhwn1sp$.dlg@40tude.net.. .
> On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 05:34:01 -0700, Matthijs ten Seldam [MSFT] wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to share that any question, discussion, suggestion or
>> whatever
>> else on Hyper-V should be posted to the Server Virtualization forum.
>>
>> It is located here:
>> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/...=583&SiteID=17
>>
>> This is the forum on anything Hyper-V and being monitored by Microsoft
>> people.
>
> Or, if you're like a lot of us and can't stomach web based forums, keep on
> posting your Hyper-V questions here and we'll do our best to answer them.
>
> --
> Paul Adare
> http://www.identit.ca
> It is ten o'clock; do you know where your processes are?

As Paul said - You'll find a lot of us won't use the Web forums, and won't
be there to answer your questions. But Hyper-V questions will continue to be
welcome here.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Matthijs ten Seldam [MSFT]"
<MatthijstenSeldamMSFT@discussions.microsoft.com > wrote in message
news:12C27367-0DCD-4444-9CE6-8C12A1462BEF@microsoft.com...
> Just wanted to share that any question, discussion, suggestion or whatever
> else on Hyper-V should be posted to the Server Virtualization forum.
>
> It is located here:
> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/...=583&SiteID=17
>
> This is the forum on anything Hyper-V and being monitored by Microsoft
> people.
>
> Matthijs

In message <12C27367-0DCD-4444-9CE6-8C12A1462BEF@microsoft.com>,
"Matthijs ten Seldam [MSFT]"
<MatthijstenSeldamMSFT@discussions.microsoft.com > writes
>Just wanted to share that any question, discussion, suggestion or whatever
>else on Hyper-V should be posted to the Server Virtualization forum.
>
>It is located here:
>http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/...=583&SiteID=17
>
>This is the forum on anything Hyper-V and being monitored by Microsoft people.

Is this gated to NNTP? If not, can it be??

--
Thomas Lee
(tfl@psp.co.uk)

>Is this gated to NNTP?

No, it's not, though I very much wish it were.

>If not, can it be??

Not now, but who know's about the future.

--
Bob Comer <Microsoft MVP Windows - Virtual Machine>



On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 20:24:20 +0100, Thomas Lee <tfl@psp.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <12C27367-0DCD-4444-9CE6-8C12A1462BEF@microsoft.com>,
>"Matthijs ten Seldam [MSFT]"
><MatthijstenSeldamMSFT@discussions.microsoft.co m> writes
>>Just wanted to share that any question, discussion, suggestion or whatever
>>else on Hyper-V should be posted to the Server Virtualization forum.
>>
>>It is located here:
>>http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/...=583&SiteID=17
>>
>>This is the forum on anything Hyper-V and being monitored by Microsoft people.
>
>Is this gated to NNTP? If not, can it be??

On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:41:48 -0400, Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>Is this gated to NNTP?
>
>No, it's not, though I very much wish it were.
>
>>If not, can it be??
>
>Not now, but who know's about the future.

It should be in Microsoft's interest as well to keep the NG even if
they for some unknown reason prefer working through the slow web
interface with very limited threading and collapsing capabilities...

For example each post made to the forum could be auto-posted also to
the NG and vice versa. Shouldn't be too difficult to implement (at
least not for Microsoft).
This way they would retain a number of people in the discussions who
they'd otherwise lose.

Another example:
VMWare *only* uses a web forum for its discussions and consequently I
am not there even though I have issues from time to time with my
VMWare Workstation. I *hate* the forum style of discussions...
Too difficult and slow to post and read, simply not worth the time.


Bo Berglund

You're preaching to the choir.

This newsgroup (Virtual Server) will stay open and we'll continue to
answer Hyper-V question here at least...

--
Bob Comer


On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:49:36 +0200, Bo Berglund <boberglund@home.se>
wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:41:48 -0400, Robert Comer
><bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>>Is this gated to NNTP?
>>
>>No, it's not, though I very much wish it were.
>>
>>>If not, can it be??
>>
>>Not now, but who know's about the future.
>
>It should be in Microsoft's interest as well to keep the NG even if
>they for some unknown reason prefer working through the slow web
>interface with very limited threading and collapsing capabilities...
>
>For example each post made to the forum could be auto-posted also to
>the NG and vice versa. Shouldn't be too difficult to implement (at
>least not for Microsoft).
>This way they would retain a number of people in the discussions who
>they'd otherwise lose.
>
>Another example:
>VMWare *only* uses a web forum for its discussions and consequently I
>am not there even though I have issues from time to time with my
>VMWare Workstation. I *hate* the forum style of discussions...
>Too difficult and slow to post and read, simply not worth the time.
>
>
>Bo Berglund

Preaching to the choir here, but the ones who need to hear it are over in
the "Forum" where they don't have to be bothered with us. Or with actually
supporting NNTP. Ridiculous.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Robert Comer" <bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:5tpev3dod23r4sk33jjb6kd494e20or05g@4ax.com...
> You're preaching to the choir.
>
> This newsgroup (Virtual Server) will stay open and we'll continue to
> answer Hyper-V question here at least...
>
> --
> Bob Comer
>
>
> On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 23:49:36 +0200, Bo Berglund <boberglund@home.se>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:41:48 -0400, Robert Comer
>><bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Is this gated to NNTP?
>>>
>>>No, it's not, though I very much wish it were.
>>>
>>>>If not, can it be??
>>>
>>>Not now, but who know's about the future.
>>
>>It should be in Microsoft's interest as well to keep the NG even if
>>they for some unknown reason prefer working through the slow web
>>interface with very limited threading and collapsing capabilities...
>>
>>For example each post made to the forum could be auto-posted also to
>>the NG and vice versa. Shouldn't be too difficult to implement (at
>>least not for Microsoft).
>>This way they would retain a number of people in the discussions who
>>they'd otherwise lose.
>>
>>Another example:
>>VMWare *only* uses a web forum for its discussions and consequently I
>>am not there even though I have issues from time to time with my
>>VMWare Workstation. I *hate* the forum style of discussions...
>>Too difficult and slow to post and read, simply not worth the time.
>>
>>
>>Bo Berglund

In message <16D76BAE-C236-4D71-BEF7-0F70E30ABCCF@microsoft.com>, Charlie
Russel - MVP <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> writes
>Preaching to the choir here, but the ones who need to hear it are over
>in the "Forum" where they don't have to be bothered with us. Or with
>actually supporting NNTP. Ridiculous.

Thanks to the MVPs who continue to hang out here - their input is most
useful.

How do the business owners of the forums get convinced to be bothered?

--
Thomas Lee
(tfl@psp.co.uk)

Well, it's not that we haven't all tried. But clearly someone fairly high up
the food chain has made a decision, and we can all complain all we want, but
it won't actually matter. I stopped complaining, even. Just work with what
I've got and when all the NGs are gone, I'll stop being an MVP I guess.
Since life is way too short to waste it on HTTP forums. <shudder>

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Thomas Lee" <tfl@psp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:QzUrZeK8X69HFA$q@mail.psp.co.uk...
> In message <16D76BAE-C236-4D71-BEF7-0F70E30ABCCF@microsoft.com>, Charlie
> Russel - MVP <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> writes
>>Preaching to the choir here, but the ones who need to hear it are over in
>>the "Forum" where they don't have to be bothered with us. Or with actually
>>supporting NNTP. Ridiculous.
>
> Thanks to the MVPs who continue to hang out here - their input is most
> useful.
>
> How do the business owners of the forums get convinced to be bothered?
>
> --
> Thomas Lee
> (tfl@psp.co.uk)

In message <39203D88-6408-4CB0-9A26-D29452E66871@microsoft.com>, Charlie
Russel - MVP <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> writes
>Well, it's not that we haven't all tried. But clearly someone fairly
>high up the food chain has made a decision, and we can all complain all
>we want, but it won't actually matter. I stopped complaining, even.
>Just work with what I've got and when all the NGs are gone, I'll stop
>being an MVP I guess. Since life is way too short to waste it on HTTP
>forums. <shudder>

I repeat my offer. If MS does do the unthinkable (again?), I am happy to
anyone create a new Big-8 newsgroup. You could be up and running
with something like comp.microsoft.windows.virtualcomputing in a matter
of a few weeks. Unlike MS, the management of the Big-8 is new-group
friendly!

Thomas
--
Thomas Lee
A member of but not speaking for the Big-8 Management Board
(tfl@psp.co.uk)

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:24:24 +0100, Thomas Lee <tfl@psp.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <39203D88-6408-4CB0-9A26-D29452E66871@microsoft.com>, Charlie
>Russel - MVP <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> writes
>>Well, it's not that we haven't all tried. But clearly someone fairly
>>high up the food chain has made a decision, and we can all complain all
>>we want, but it won't actually matter. I stopped complaining, even.
>>Just work with what I've got and when all the NGs are gone, I'll stop
>>being an MVP I guess. Since life is way too short to waste it on HTTP
>>forums. <shudder>
>
>I repeat my offer. If MS does do the unthinkable (again?), I am happy to
> anyone create a new Big-8 newsgroup. You could be up and running
>with something like comp.microsoft.windows.virtualcomputing in a matter
>of a few weeks. Unlike MS, the management of the Big-8 is new-group
>friendly!
>

How about server(s) for this possible newsgroup? Would GMANE carry it
for example? (GMane is my favorite because of the amazing speed they
have in downloading bodies of messages).


Bo Berglund

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:43:03 +0200, Bo Berglund wrote:

> How about server(s) for this possible newsgroup? Would GMANE carry it
> for example? (GMane is my favorite because of the amazing speed they
> have in downloading bodies of messages).

I haven't seen a real Usenet provider yet that doesn't carry the vast
majority of the Big 8 groups.

--
Paul Adare
http://www.identit.ca
K: A term used in employment ads to disguise how much they are really
willing
to pay.

Does Big-8 block spam?

We might need to look into this later on down the road...

--
Bob Comer


On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:24:24 +0100, Thomas Lee <tfl@psp.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <39203D88-6408-4CB0-9A26-D29452E66871@microsoft.com>, Charlie
>Russel - MVP <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> writes
>>Well, it's not that we haven't all tried. But clearly someone fairly
>>high up the food chain has made a decision, and we can all complain all
>>we want, but it won't actually matter. I stopped complaining, even.
>>Just work with what I've got and when all the NGs are gone, I'll stop
>>being an MVP I guess. Since life is way too short to waste it on HTTP
>>forums. <shudder>
>
>I repeat my offer. If MS does do the unthinkable (again?), I am happy to
> anyone create a new Big-8 newsgroup. You could be up and running
>with something like comp.microsoft.windows.virtualcomputing in a matter
>of a few weeks. Unlike MS, the management of the Big-8 is new-group
>friendly!
>
>Thomas

an interesting idea, and one we may yet need to pursue. I've been around
long enough to remember when all the MS "forums" were on CompuServe. And the
screams of protest when they moved to NNTP. They listened that time, too.
Just as much as they're apparently listening now.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Thomas Lee" <tfl@psp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:4Heh0sYYTK+HFAhk@mail.psp.co.uk...
> In message <39203D88-6408-4CB0-9A26-D29452E66871@microsoft.com>, Charlie
> Russel - MVP <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> writes
>>Well, it's not that we haven't all tried. But clearly someone fairly high
>>up the food chain has made a decision, and we can all complain all we
>>want, but it won't actually matter. I stopped complaining, even. Just work
>>with what I've got and when all the NGs are gone, I'll stop being an MVP I
>>guess. Since life is way too short to waste it on HTTP forums. <shudder>
>
> I repeat my offer. If MS does do the unthinkable (again?), I am happy to
> anyone create a new Big-8 newsgroup. You could be up and running with
> something like comp.microsoft.windows.virtualcomputing in a matter of a
> few weeks. Unlike MS, the management of the Big-8 is new-group friendly!
>
> Thomas
> --
> Thomas Lee
> A member of but not speaking for the Big-8 Management Board
> (tfl@psp.co.uk)

In message <8r9iv3dk26lsb3la4qqurbgnv737e668dc@4ax.com>, Bo Berglund
<boberglund@home.se> writes
>How about server(s) for this possible newsgroup? Would GMANE carry it
>for example? (GMane is my favorite because of the amazing speed they
>have in downloading bodies of messages).

Assuming a big-8 group was created you could go to any service that
carries big-8 groups. Personally, I'd use newsguy.

--
Thomas Lee
(tfl@psp.co.uk)

In message <9driv39u3uskboabjiou1rhcuah11avo7m@4ax.com>, Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> writes
>Does Big-8 block spam?

No - we do not. However, individual news providers do.

>We might need to look into this later on down the road...

Let me know if I can .

Thomas

--
Thomas Lee
(tfl@psp.co.uk)

In message <442A00EB-552F-4D7A-8F3F-7CA35251B5E0@microsoft.com>, Charlie
Russel - MVP <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> writes
>an interesting idea, and one we may yet need to pursue. I've been
>around long enough to remember when all the MS "forums" were on
>CompuServe. And the screams of protest when they moved to NNTP.

Me too. I refused to use Compuserve and was awarded my MVP on the basic
of big-8 contributions.

> They listened that time, too. Just as much as they're apparently
>listening now.

Yup.

Thomas
--
Thomas Lee
(tfl@psp.co.uk)

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:05:54 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
<charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote:

>Well, it's not that we haven't all tried. But clearly someone fairly high up
>the food chain has made a decision, and we can all complain all we want, but
>it won't actually matter. I stopped complaining, even. Just work with what
>I've got and when all the NGs are gone, I'll stop being an MVP I guess.
>Since life is way too short to waste it on HTTP forums. <shudder>

We need someone to develop a little app that can parse the HTTP forums
and allow them to be read like NNTP.

--
Cheers,
Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP
http://vpc.essjae.com/
I do not work for Microsoft.

posting would be a problem in that scenario.

--
Bob Comer

On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 10:25:21 -0700, Steve Jain
<noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 12:05:54 -0700, "Charlie Russel - MVP"
><charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote:
>
>>Well, it's not that we haven't all tried. But clearly someone fairly high up
>>the food chain has made a decision, and we can all complain all we want, but
>>it won't actually matter. I stopped complaining, even. Just work with what
>>I've got and when all the NGs are gone, I'll stop being an MVP I guess.
>>Since life is way too short to waste it on HTTP forums. <shudder>
>
>We need someone to develop a little app that can parse the HTTP forums
>and allow them to be read like NNTP.

In message <slbnv398bb9g891cippvfta4g844f95t1j@4ax.com>, Robert Comer
<bobcomer-removeme-@mindspring.com> writes
>posting would be a problem in that scenario.

Not for long.

Those with long memories may recall the days following MS's move from
Compuserve to NNTP. The groups were originally not peered, so you have
to go to msnews.microsoft.com to post. Within a few weeks, there was a
read-only feed to a wider NNTP audience (courtesy of ComShare in Ann
Arbor), follows not long after that by r/w gateways. MS then gave up and
opened up peering.

I'd be willing to bet that between the web forums API and simple screen
scrapign, one could put together a r/w gateway. Not sure I have the
skills, but it shouldn't be that hard. Plus the forums client will be
open source and will be reference code for how to do stuff at the forums
end.

Thomas

--
Thomas Lee
(tfl@psp.co.uk)

Now see, I loved CompuServe. TapCIS made it a joy to use. (I didn't spend
much time in the MS forums then - I was too busy as TeamB.)

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel


"Thomas Lee" <tfl@psp.co.uk> wrote in message
news:BRBPBD4mh0+HFAHY@mail.psp.co.uk...
> In message <442A00EB-552F-4D7A-8F3F-7CA35251B5E0@microsoft.com>, Charlie
> Russel - MVP <charlie@mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> writes
>>an interesting idea, and one we may yet need to pursue. I've been around
>>long enough to remember when all the MS "forums" were on CompuServe. And
>>the screams of protest when they moved to NNTP.
>
> Me too. I refused to use Compuserve and was awarded my MVP on the basic of
> big-8 contributions.
>
>> They listened that time, too. Just as much as they're apparently
>> listening now.
>
> Yup.
>
> Thomas
> --
> Thomas Lee
> (tfl@psp.co.uk)