If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
such a way to work on-line when it starts up?

TIA

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On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?

OT, but why are you using Evo with KDE?

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> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>
>> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
>> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
>> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
>> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
>> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>>
>
> OT, but why are you using Evo with KDE?
>
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Is there a reason why I shouldn't?

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On 02/04/2008, andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
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> Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>
> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>
> OT, but why are you using Evo with KDE?
>
> - --
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> Jefferson LA USA
>
> Is there a reason why I shouldn't?
>
> A
>

Had the same sort of thing a while ago with epiphany and liferea. In my
case, after a process of elimination, network-manager was the problem.

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Robin wrote:
>
>
> On 02/04/2008, *andy* <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com
> <mailto:geek_show@dsl.pipex.com>> wrote:
>
> Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>>
>>> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
>>> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
>>> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
>>>
>>> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
>>> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>>>
>> OT, but why are you using Evo with KDE?
>>
>> - --
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>> Jefferson LA USA
>>
> Is there a reason why I shouldn't?
>
> A
>
>
> Had the same sort of thing a while ago with epiphany and liferea. In
> my case, after a process of elimination, network-manager was the problem.
>
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>
>
> http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/te...Id=82BS4ZCMFR1
Cheers Rob. The machine in question isn't running any network-manager. I
disabled it sometime back, so unless I have overlooked it, I really
don't think that that would be the problem.

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On 04/02/08 15:35, andy wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>>
>>> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
>>> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
>>> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
>>> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
>>> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>>>
>>
>> OT, but why are you using Evo with KDE?
>>
>>
> Is there a reason why I shouldn't?

I guess it all depends on how much negativity you imbue into the
word "shouldn't".

IOW, you certainly *can* do it, but it's definitely sub-optimal,
since it's a deeply GNOME-only app. "Things" would run smoother if
you ran a slightly-Gtk app like Icedove, and totally smoothly if you
ran the KDE MUA KMail.

But as far as your original question, I would not be surprised if a
gconf element needs to be set.

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> On 04/02/08 15:35, andy wrote:
>
>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
>>>> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
>>>> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
>>>> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
>>>> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> OT, but why are you using Evo with KDE?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Is there a reason why I shouldn't?
>>
>
> I guess it all depends on how much negativity you imbue into the
> word "shouldn't".
>
> IOW, you certainly *can* do it, but it's definitely sub-optimal,
> since it's a deeply GNOME-only app. "Things" would run smoother if
> you ran a slightly-Gtk app like Icedove, and totally smoothly if you
> ran the KDE MUA KMail.
>
> But as far as your original question, I would not be surprised if a
> gconf element needs to be set.
>
> - --
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> Jefferson LA USA
>
>
The complete Gnome library is installed on the machine, and once the
work on-line option is selected, the program seems to run well enough.
Kmail is already in use and Evolution was chosen for business purposes
because it is an integrated suite, with calendar, tasks, and email.
Unfortunately, Icedove (T-Bird) doesn't have that level of integration
and functionality.
The knack is knowing exactly *which* gconf element it is that needs to
be set. I've gone through the system directory (~/.evolution) but there
doesn't seem to be any conf files which enable that option to be
tweaked. In fact, the Evolution developers seem to consider this a
feature for those still on dial up, so that work can be done off-line.
Personally, I would have preferred it to be an option that can be
en/dis-abled.

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On 04/03/08 01:09, andy wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
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>> On 04/02/08 15:35, andy wrote:
>>
>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
>>>>> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
>>>>> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
>>>>> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
>>>>> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> OT, but why are you using Evo with KDE?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Is there a reason why I shouldn't?
>>>
>>
>> I guess it all depends on how much negativity you imbue into the
>> word "shouldn't".
>>
>> IOW, you certainly *can* do it, but it's definitely sub-optimal,
>> since it's a deeply GNOME-only app. "Things" would run smoother if
>> you ran a slightly-Gtk app like Icedove, and totally smoothly if you
>> ran the KDE MUA KMail.
>>
>> But as far as your original question, I would not be surprised if a
>> gconf element needs to be set.
>>
>> - --
>> Ron Johnson, Jr.
>> Jefferson LA USA
>>
>>
> The complete Gnome library is installed on the machine, and once the
> work on-line option is selected, the program seems to run well enough.
> Kmail is already in use and Evolution was chosen for business purposes
> because it is an integrated suite, with calendar, tasks, and email.
> Unfortunately, Icedove (T-Bird) doesn't have that level of integration
> and functionality.
> The knack is knowing exactly *which* gconf element it is that needs to
> be set. I've gone through the system directory (~/.evolution) but there
> doesn't seem to be any conf files which enable that option to be
> tweaked. In fact, the Evolution developers seem to consider this a
> feature for those still on dial up, so that work can be done off-line.

A perfectly reasonable consideration. To determine whether to start
online, Evo must use some GNOME feature that's not being activated
when under KDE.

> Personally, I would have preferred it to be an option that can be
> en/dis-abled.

gconf elements are manipulated with /usr/bin/gconf-editor and stored
in ~/.gconf.

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Ron Johnson wrote:
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>>>>> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from the CLI)
>>>>>> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on Evolution as I
>>>>>> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to configure it
>>>>>> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this up in
>>>>>> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
> gconf elements are manipulated with /usr/bin/gconf-editor and stored
> in ~/.gconf.
>
> - --
>
gconf was a bit like wading into a mine-field.

Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager

Done!

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On 04/03/08 18:06, andy wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>> ----
>>>>>> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from
>>>>>>> the CLI)
>>>>>>> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on
>>>>>>> Evolution as I
>>>>>>> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to
>>>>>>> configure it
>>>>>>> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this
>>>>>>> up in
>>>>>>> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>> gconf elements are manipulated with /usr/bin/gconf-editor and stored
>> in ~/.gconf.
>>
>> - --
>>
> gconf was a bit like wading into a mine-field.
>
> Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager

So it turns out that either disabling network-manager didn't work,
or there's some other bit of n-m that causes side-effects.

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> On 04/03/08 18:06, andy wrote:
>
>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>>>>>> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from
>>>>>>>> the CLI)
>>>>>>>> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on
>>>>>>>> Evolution as I
>>>>>>>> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to
>>>>>>>> configure it
>>>>>>>> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this
>>>>>>>> up in
>>>>>>>> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>> gconf elements are manipulated with /usr/bin/gconf-editor and stored
>>> in ~/.gconf.
>>>
>>> - --
>>>
>>>
>> gconf was a bit like wading into a mine-field.
>>
>> Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager
>>
>
> So it turns out that either disabling network-manager didn't work,
> or there's some other bit of n-m that causes side-effects.
>
> - --
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> Jefferson LA USA
>
To be honest, I couldn't find the proper switches, and since I don't
need n-m anyway I decided to remove the whole thing. Probably a little
bit like overkill but when you're only tool is a hammer ... :-)

Cheers

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On 04/04/2008, andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
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> On 04/03/08 18:06, andy wrote:
>
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> ----
>
> On 04/02/08 13:36, andy wrote:
>
> If one starts Evolution from the KDE kicker (as opposed to from
> the CLI)
> it always starts off-line. I've reviewed as many docs on
> Evolution as I
> can find, but cannot see anything that would enable me to
> configure it
> so that it starts on-line. Has anyone ever been able to set this
> up in
> such a way to work on-line when it starts up?
>
> <snip>
>
> gconf elements are manipulated with /usr/bin/gconf-editor and stored
> in ~/.gconf.
>
> - --
>
> gconf was a bit like wading into a mine-field.
>
> Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager
>
> So it turns out that either disabling network-manager didn't work,
> or there's some other bit of n-m that causes side-effects.
>
> - --
> Ron Johnson, Jr.
> Jefferson LA USA
>
> To be honest, I couldn't find the proper switches, and since I don't need
> n-m anyway I decided to remove the whole thing. Probably a little bit like
> overkill but when you're only tool is a hammer ... :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> A
>

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On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:09AM +0100, Robin wrote:
> On 04/04/2008, andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> >

...

> > Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager
> >

there seem to be more and more posts that end this way...

...
>
> Package should be renamed network-mangler

indeed. I wonder if this is just something unique to debian's package
or a general problem with n-m? Or is it more a problem with the level
of sophistication of users on this list? They are sophisticated enough
to break n-m in previously unforeseen ways...

A

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:23:11 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:09AM +0100, Robin wrote:
> > On 04/04/2008, andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > >
>
> ...
>
> > > Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager
> > >
>
> there seem to be more and more posts that end this way...
>
> ...
> >
> > Package should be renamed network-mangler
>
> indeed. I wonder if this is just something unique to debian's package
> or a general problem with n-m? Or is it more a problem with the level
> of sophistication of users on this list? They are sophisticated enough
> to break n-m in previously unforeseen ways...

I have never used NM, since I'm a Linux-geek wannabe who assumes that
GUIs are automatically evil, but I have been quite struck by the fact
that some of the bcm43xx / b43 devs seem to consider it their preferred
method of managing their wireless subsystems, and those guys surely
know wireless as well as anyone. I believe I have seen Larry Finger
(one of those devs), write strongly in its favor, although at the
moment all I find is this comment of his [0]:

You will find NetworkManager to be a very nice way to connect.

I'm cc'ing him; perhaps he can shed some light on the issue.

[0] https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/b...ly/004949.html

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On 04/04/2008, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:09AM +0100, Robin wrote:
> > On 04/04/2008, andy <geek_show@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> > >
>
>
> ...
>
>
> > > Resolved problem: apt-get remove network-manager
> > >
>
>
> there seem to be more and more posts that end this way...
>
> ...
>
> >
> > Package should be renamed network-mangler
>
>
> indeed. I wonder if this is just something unique to debian's package
> or a general problem with n-m? Or is it more a problem with the level
> of sophistication of users on this list? They are sophisticated enough
> to break n-m in previously unforeseen ways...
>
>
> A
>
>
>
I have a spare partition I use to try out other distros. Fedora, Pclinux OS,
Ubuntu and Sabayon installed over the last couple of months, and n-m has
never worked with my amd64-smp setup.


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On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 03:52:40PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:23:11 -0700
> Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 04, 2008 at 12:46:09AM +0100, Robin wrote:

> > > Package should be renamed network-mangler
> >
> > indeed. I wonder if this is just something unique to debian's package
> > or a general problem with n-m? Or is it more a problem with the level
> > of sophistication of users on this list? They are sophisticated enough
> > to break n-m in previously unforeseen ways...
>
> I have never used NM, since I'm a Linux-geek wannabe who assumes that
> GUIs are automatically evil, but I have been quite struck by the fact
> that some of the bcm43xx / b43 devs seem to consider it their preferred
> method of managing their wireless subsystems, and those guys surely
> know wireless as well as anyone. I believe I have seen Larry Finger
> (one of those devs), write strongly in its favor, although at the
> moment all I find is this comment of his [0]:
>
> You will find NetworkManager to be a very nice way to connect.
>
> I'm cc'ing him; perhaps he can shed some light on the issue.
>
> [0] https://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/b...ly/004949.html

I've used it a couple of times and frankly, it just didn't work. Both
my wife's (then etch) box hardwired to a dhcp router and my laptop in
various locations... it never did what was expected. I reverted to
basic /etc/network/interfaces setup for my wife's machine and a custom
script for my laptop tailored to connect to my most likely locations
and that works flawlessly. It must work for someone, and frankly I
suspect it pretty much just works for most people, but I've never had
luck with it and have seen nothing but complaints from it around
here...


A

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