I like xfce4 because it is lighter than GNOME and yet has almost as
many features.

I used the netinstall CD to install a Debian desktop, and it gave me
GNOME. No problem, I installed the xfce4 meta-package. What is
strange is how much of GNOME is still present in Xfce4. For example,
the launcher to start a graphical terminal emulator starts
gnome-terminal. Even the command xfterm4 starts gnome-terminal for
some reason I cannot fathom.

What I want to hopefully do is remove as much of GNOME as possible,
and have an independent xfce4 desktop instead of this bizarre amalgam.
However, I would like to keep the convenient system configuration
tools (like power management, etc) that GNOME offers but Xfce4 lacks.

Is there any simple, _clean_ way to do this? The cleanest way I can
think of is to reinstall using the Debian xfce4 iso and add the gnome
utilities one by one, but that would be a real hassle, involving
downloading and burning an iso and going through the whole install
process all over.

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Jimmy Wu wrote:
> I like xfce4 because it is lighter than GNOME and yet has almost as
> many features.
>
> I used the netinstall CD to install a Debian desktop, and it gave me
> GNOME. No problem, I installed the xfce4 meta-package. What is
> strange is how much of GNOME is still present in Xfce4. For example,
> the launcher to start a graphical terminal emulator starts
> gnome-terminal. Even the command xfterm4 starts gnome-terminal for
> some reason I cannot fathom.
>
> What I want to hopefully do is remove as much of GNOME as possible,
> and have an independent xfce4 desktop instead of this bizarre amalgam.
> However, I would like to keep the convenient system configuration
> tools (like power management, etc) that GNOME offers but Xfce4 lacks.
>
> Is there any simple, _clean_ way to do this? The cleanest way I can
> think of is to reinstall using the Debian xfce4 iso and add the gnome
> utilities one by one, but that would be a real hassle, involving
> downloading and burning an iso and going through the whole install
> process all over.
>
> Thanks in advance for your !
>
Jimmy,

Try running update-alternatives. You might be able to pick what term is
opened by default. You can take a look in /etc/alternatives to see what
can be changed. I don't remember what the native xfce4 term is, I
always used gnome-terminal. In the past, I installed XFCE4 then I would
install things like quanta or gnome-terminal as needed. Now days, I
just run gnome, so I am a bit rusty on what apps (like click on the file
manager) opens what apps (the real app, like nautilus). BTW, you can
set up nautilus to NOT take over your desktop by running nautilus
--no-desktop IIRC, but I think that XFCE4 does this by default.

Jimmy, I have a pounding headache right now, so I will probably not
respond back anymore today, HTH!

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under xfce-setting-show manager choose preferred applications and there you can
change the choice of browser, email program and terminal.

On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:51:11 -0500
"Jimmy Wu" <jimmywu013@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like xfce4 because it is lighter than GNOME and yet has almost as
> many features.
>
> I used the netinstall CD to install a Debian desktop, and it gave me
> GNOME. No problem, I installed the xfce4 meta-package. What is
> strange is how much of GNOME is still present in Xfce4. For example,
> the launcher to start a graphical terminal emulator starts
> gnome-terminal. Even the command xfterm4 starts gnome-terminal for
> some reason I cannot fathom.
>
> What I want to hopefully do is remove as much of GNOME as possible,
> and have an independent xfce4 desktop instead of this bizarre amalgam.
> However, I would like to keep the convenient system configuration
> tools (like power management, etc) that GNOME offers but Xfce4 lacks.
>
> Is there any simple, _clean_ way to do this? The cleanest way I can
> think of is to reinstall using the Debian xfce4 iso and add the gnome
> utilities one by one, but that would be a real hassle, involving
> downloading and burning an iso and going through the whole install
> process all over.
>
> Thanks in advance for your !


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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:51:11 -0500
"Jimmy Wu" <jimmywu013@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like xfce4 because it is lighter than GNOME and yet has almost as
> many features.

I have used Xfce for pretty much all of my linux experience.

> I used the netinstall CD to install a Debian desktop, and it gave me
> GNOME. No problem, I installed the xfce4 meta-package. What is
> strange is how much of GNOME is still present in Xfce4. For example,
> the launcher to start a graphical terminal emulator starts
> gnome-terminal. Even the command xfterm4 starts gnome-terminal for
> some reason I cannot fathom.
>
> What I want to hopefully do is remove as much of GNOME as possible,
> and have an independent xfce4 desktop instead of this bizarre amalgam.
> However, I would like to keep the convenient system configuration
> tools (like power management, etc) that GNOME offers but Xfce4 lacks.
>
> Is there any simple, _clean_ way to do this? The cleanest way I can
> think of is to reinstall using the Debian xfce4 iso and add the gnome
> utilities one by one, but that would be a real hassle, involving
> downloading and burning an iso and going through the whole install
> process all over.

You certainly don't need to do that. As Doug would say, start Aptitude
in interactive mode, open "Installed Packages / Gnome / [Main]" and go
through the list one by one, marking everything that you don't think
you need as automatically installed (with key 'M'). Then just upgrade,
and Aptitude will remove everything that you've marked, except for
dependencies of things you still want.

> Thanks in advance for your !
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oops - sorry Celejar - my reply-to went to your email and not to the
list. I'm reposting my message to the list (below)

On Jan 24, 2008 8:07 PM, Jimmy Wu <jimmywu013@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 6:07 PM, Micha <michf@post.tau.ac.il> wrote:
> > under xfce-setting-show manager choose preferred applications and there you can
> > change the choice of browser, email program and terminal.
>
> The command in the panel launcher is some sort of cryptic 'exo-open
> --WebBrowser' or 'exo-open --TerminalEmulator' or something like
> that'. Apparently that points to the GNOME apps, since I haven't
> changed the Preferred Apps settings. However, I don't think that
> should make the command 'xfterm4' open gnome-terminal (?!). Thanks
> for the suggestion though.
>
> On Jan 24, 2008 6:26 PM, Celejar <celejar@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 16:51:11 -0500
> > "Jimmy Wu" <jimmywu013@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Is there any simple, _clean_ way to do this? The cleanest way I can
> > > think of is to reinstall using the Debian xfce4 iso and add the gnome
> > > utilities one by one, but that would be a real hassle, involving
> > > downloading and burning an iso and going through the whole install
> > > process all over.
> >
> > You certainly don't need to do that. As Doug would say, start Aptitude
> > in interactive mode, open "Installed Packages / Gnome / [Main]" and go
> > through the list one by one, marking everything that you don't think
> > you need as automatically installed (with key 'M'). Then just upgrade,
> > and Aptitude will remove everything that you've marked, except for
> > dependencies of things you still want.
>
> That sounds like the closest to what I want - I'll try that first.
>
> Thank you to everyone who responded for your !
>
>
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> Registered Linux User #454138
>



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Jimmy Wu wrote:
> On Jan 24, 2008 6:04 PM, Damon L. Chesser <damon@damtek.com> wrote:
>
>> Try running update-alternatives. You might be able to pick what term is
>> opened by default. You can take a look in /etc/alternatives to see what
>> can be changed. I don't remember what the native xfce4 term is, I
>> always used gnome-terminal. In the past, I installed XFCE4 then I would
>> install things like quanta or gnome-terminal as needed. Now days, I
>> just run gnome, so I am a bit rusty on what apps (like click on the file
>> manager) opens what apps (the real app, like nautilus). BTW, you can
>> set up nautilus to NOT take over your desktop by running nautilus
>> --no-desktop IIRC, but I think that XFCE4 does this by default.
>>
>
> I'll look into that the next chance I get.
>
>
>> Jimmy, I have a pounding headache right now, so I will probably not
>> respond back anymore today, HTH!
>>
>
> You've already ed me a lot on the various threads I have started
> on this list. I rappreciate your time and effort - thanks!
>
>
I have installed XFCE4 and now I can't remember why I started using
gnome! This thing uses less then half of the memory of gnome and is
very functional.

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