Hi!

I am running etch in a machine with two HDs. Etch is running in the
master HD (hdc), the second HD (hdd), the slave, is empty. In the second
hd (hdd) I need to install windows xp. I wonder how to do that in order
to get a dual boot system, managed by grub. The bios let me define the
HD from which the system boots. Now the bios is configured to boot from
hdc, where etch (and grub) resides: hdc-hdd. Due that during the install
of xp the system re-boots several times from the HD, I wonder if I can
install xp on hdd simply inverting the boot sequence: hdd-hdc, and,
after the installation of xp, inverting the sequence again: hdc-hdd, in
order to boot with grub.

If it is possible, I guess I still need to tell grub that there is
another OS in the system. How can I do that?

Thanks in advance for the ,

Marcelo


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On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 09:41:48AM -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
>
> I am running etch in a machine with two HDs. Etch is running in the
> master HD (hdc), the second HD (hdd), the slave, is empty. In the second
> hd (hdd) I need to install windows xp. I wonder how to do that in order
> to get a dual boot system, managed by grub. The bios let me define the
> HD from which the system boots. Now the bios is configured to boot from
> hdc, where etch (and grub) resides: hdc-hdd. Due that during the install
> of xp the system re-boots several times from the HD, I wonder if I can
> install xp on hdd simply inverting the boot sequence: hdd-hdc, and,
> after the installation of xp, inverting the sequence again: hdc-hdd, in
> order to boot with grub.
>
> If it is possible, I guess I still need to tell grub that there is
> another OS in the system. How can I do that?
>

I thought that windows was a megalomaniac and would only work from the
first hard drive of the first controller (hda).

Don't know for sure since I haven't used Windows since 3.1.

Doug.


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Hi Pierre,

On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 17:15 +0200, Gargi wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
> To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:42 PM
> Subject: [?? Probable Spam] Re: etch + xp
>
>
> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 09:41:48AM -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> >>
> >> I am running etch in a machine with two HDs. Etch is running in the
> >> master HD (hdc), the second HD (hdd), the slave, is empty. In the second
> >> hd (hdd) I need to install windows xp. I wonder how to do that in order
> >> to get a dual boot system, managed by grub. The bios let me define the
> >> HD from which the system boots. Now the bios is configured to boot from
> >> hdc, where etch (and grub) resides: hdc-hdd. Due that during the install
> >> of xp the system re-boots several times from the HD, I wonder if I can
> >> install xp on hdd simply inverting the boot sequence: hdd-hdc, and,
> >> after the installation of xp, inverting the sequence again: hdc-hdd, in
> >> order to boot with grub.
> >>
> >> If it is possible, I guess I still need to tell grub that there is
> >> another OS in the system. How can I do that?
> >>
> >
> > I thought that windows was a megalomaniac and would only work from the
> > first hard drive of the first controller (hda).
> >
> > Don't know for sure since I haven't used Windows since 3.1.
> >
> > Doug.
>
> Nope. XP will boot from another partition too. hda1 or sda1 is not a option
> for it. But it will install its own bootmanager into the mbr. So save your
> mbr first with dd (BEFORE you install XP!!!!). You can put the etch
> bootimage onto your hard disk and call it by the XP bootloader by setting a
> line to the XP boot.ini (save it on a usb-stick e.g. to transfer it after
> the XP is installed).

But I want to install XP in another disk, different from which etch is
installed. So XP will install its own bootmanager into the mbr of this
different disk. Am I wright? Remember that I can tell the bios from what
disk the system boots. I gues I can use this in order to make the system
boot from the second disk, where XP is being installed, making XP ignore
the disk where etch is installed.

> If you have a SATA disc:
> dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/[your username]/etch.lin bs=512 count=1
>

Both disk are ATA, not SATA. The line is the same in this case?

> Insert this line into your xp boot.ini (if XP uses the partition as C:\ ):
>
> c:\etch.lin="Debian Etch"
>
> That gives you a new bootoption in your XP bootloader. From there you can
> start Etch again and repair the grub bootloader if you want to stick to
> grub.

Thank you!

Marcelo

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
To: <debian-user@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 4:42 PM
Subject: [?? Probable Spam] Re: etch + xp


> On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 09:41:48AM -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
>>
>> I am running etch in a machine with two HDs. Etch is running in the
>> master HD (hdc), the second HD (hdd), the slave, is empty. In the second
>> hd (hdd) I need to install windows xp. I wonder how to do that in order
>> to get a dual boot system, managed by grub. The bios let me define the
>> HD from which the system boots. Now the bios is configured to boot from
>> hdc, where etch (and grub) resides: hdc-hdd. Due that during the install
>> of xp the system re-boots several times from the HD, I wonder if I can
>> install xp on hdd simply inverting the boot sequence: hdd-hdc, and,
>> after the installation of xp, inverting the sequence again: hdc-hdd, in
>> order to boot with grub.
>>
>> If it is possible, I guess I still need to tell grub that there is
>> another OS in the system. How can I do that?
>>
>
> I thought that windows was a megalomaniac and would only work from the
> first hard drive of the first controller (hda).
>
> Don't know for sure since I haven't used Windows since 3.1.
>
> Doug.

Nope. XP will boot from another partition too. hda1 or sda1 is not a option
for it. But it will install its own bootmanager into the mbr. So save your
mbr first with dd (BEFORE you install XP!!!!). You can put the etch
bootimage onto your hard disk and call it by the XP bootloader by setting a
line to the XP boot.ini (save it on a usb-stick e.g. to transfer it after
the XP is installed).

If you have a SATA disc:
dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/[your username]/etch.lin bs=512 count=1

Insert this line into your xp boot.ini (if XP uses the partition as C:\ ):

c:\etch.lin="Debian Etch"

That gives you a new bootoption in your XP bootloader. From there you can
start Etch again and repair the grub bootloader if you want to stick to
grub.

cu
Pierre






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On Sun, 2007.09.30 13:14, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> But I want to install XP in another disk, different from which etch is
> installed. So XP will install its own bootmanager into the mbr of this
> different disk. Am I wright? Remember that I can tell the bios from what
> disk the system boots. I gues I can use this in order to make the system
> boot from the second disk, where XP is being installed, making XP ignore
> the disk where etch is installed.

Windows XP will overwrite the MBR of the first drive listed by the BIOS (the
one that is booted), so set the BIOS to boot from whatever drive you want
Windows to replace the MBR of. When you're done installing, switch it back,
boot Debian, and set up grub to boot Windows with 'chainload'.

Back up your MBR first though. And: when I set up grub to boot Windows once
for someone else, I found grub's 'hide' command and used it to hide the Debian
partitions, thinking that the less Windows saw, the better. But Windows (XP),
when those partitions were 'hidden' by grub, changed the partition types to
Amoeba (whatever that is) and then grub would give an error on the next boot.
Of course, problems like that should be expected when running Windows on a
system.

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> Hi Pierre,

>> > On Sun, Sep 30, 2007 at 09:41:48AM -0300, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I am running etch in a machine with two HDs. Etch is running in the
>> >> master HD (hdc), the second HD (hdd), the slave, is empty. In the
>> >> second
>> >> hd (hdd) I need to install windows xp. I wonder how to do that in
>> >> order
>> >> to get a dual boot system, managed by grub. The bios let me define the
>> >> HD from which the system boots. Now the bios is configured to boot
>> >> from
>> >> hdc, where etch (and grub) resides: hdc-hdd. Due that during the
>> >> install
>> >> of xp the system re-boots several times from the HD, I wonder if I can
>> >> install xp on hdd simply inverting the boot sequence: hdd-hdc, and,
>> >> after the installation of xp, inverting the sequence again: hdc-hdd,
>> >> in
>> >> order to boot with grub.
>> >>
>> >> If it is possible, I guess I still need to tell grub that there is
>> >> another OS in the system. How can I do that?
>> >>
>> >
>> > I thought that windows was a megalomaniac and would only work from the
>> > first hard drive of the first controller (hda).
>> >
>> > Don't know for sure since I haven't used Windows since 3.1.
>> >
>> > Doug.
>>
>> Nope. XP will boot from another partition too. hda1 or sda1 is not a
>> option
>> for it. But it will install its own bootmanager into the mbr. So save
>> your
>> mbr first with dd (BEFORE you install XP!!!!). You can put the etch
>> bootimage onto your hard disk and call it by the XP bootloader by setting
>> a
>> line to the XP boot.ini (save it on a usb-stick e.g. to transfer it after
>> the XP is installed).
>
> But I want to install XP in another disk, different from which etch is
> installed. So XP will install its own bootmanager into the mbr of this
> different disk. Am I wright? Remember that I can tell the bios from what
> disk the system boots. I gues I can use this in order to make the system
> boot from the second disk, where XP is being installed, making XP ignore
> the disk where etch is installed.

XP will install it into the Master Boot Record. That's the one on the first
disc who is to boot. Changing the boot priority or the order of the disk
could cause troubles.
You wrote, that you are Using the first IDE disc as

hdc

Normally the first disc is hda, so have you a DVD Rom or something like it
connected as primary master?
If XP will write its bootloader onto the mbr of the 2nd disc if it is
remapped by the bios I don't now. It is a risk to lose your bootmanager on
the first disc if windows won't get the trick. Therefore I would save the
old mbr for any evil case.

>> If you have a SATA disc:
>> dd if=/dev/sda of=/home/[your username]/etch.lin bs=512 count=1
>>
>
> Both disk are ATA, not SATA. The line is the same in this case?

primary master is hda
primary slave hdb
secondary master hdc
secondary slave hdd

If it is a primary master, the line is

dd if=/dev/hda of=/home/[your username]/etch.lin bs=512 count=1


>> Insert this line into your xp boot.ini (if XP uses the partition as
>> C:\ ):
>>
>> c:\etch.lin="Debian Etch"
>>
>> That gives you a new bootoption in your XP bootloader. From there you can
>> start Etch again and repair the grub bootloader if you want to stick to
>> grub.
>
> Thank you!

No problem

cu
Pierre


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if you lose your MBR, I think the easiest way to recover it
is booting from debian cd in rescue mode
type "rescue" before installation starts
then go to console, mount your hd, chroot to it and re-install grub
$ mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt
# I'm guessing that it's hdc1 where root ( / ) is.
$ cd /mnt
$ chroot .
$ grub-install /dev/hdc
ctrl + alt + del
your done!

hint: you will probably lose your MBR, like Douglas sad: windows is
megalomaniac


On 9/30/07, Owen Heisler <owenh000@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2007.09.30 13:14, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> > But I want to install XP in another disk, different from which etch is
> > installed. So XP will install its own bootmanager into the mbr of this
> > different disk. Am I wright? Remember that I can tell the bios from what
> > disk the system boots. I gues I can use this in order to make the system
> > boot from the second disk, where XP is being installed, making XP ignore
> > the disk where etch is installed.
>
> Windows XP will overwrite the MBR of the first drive listed by the BIOS
> (the
> one that is booted), so set the BIOS to boot from whatever drive you want
> Windows to replace the MBR of. When you're done installing, switch it
> back,
> boot Debian, and set up grub to boot Windows with 'chainload'.
>
> Back up your MBR first though. And: when I set up grub to boot Windows
> once
> for someone else, I found grub's 'hide' command and used it to hide the
> Debian
> partitions, thinking that the less Windows saw, the better. But Windows
> (XP),
> when those partitions were 'hidden' by grub, changed the partition types
> to
> Amoeba (whatever that is) and then grub would give an error on the next
> boot.
> Of course, problems like that should be expected when running Windows on a
> system.
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Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I am running etch in a machine with two HDs. Etch is running in the
> master HD (hdc), the second HD (hdd), the slave, is empty. In the second
> hd (hdd) I need to install windows xp. I wonder how to do that in order
> to get a dual boot system, managed by grub. The bios let me define the
> HD from which the system boots. Now the bios is configured to boot from
> hdc, where etch (and grub) resides: hdc-hdd. Due that during the install
> of xp the system re-boots several times from the HD, I wonder if I can
> install xp on hdd simply inverting the boot sequence: hdd-hdc, and,
> after the installation of xp, inverting the sequence again: hdc-hdd, in
> order to boot with grub.
>
> If it is possible, I guess I still need to tell grub that there is
> another OS in the system. How can I do that?
>

I am running XP on VMware with Sid as host and I must say it runs as if
it is running by itself with the advantage that you don't have to reboot
the PC.
The only disadvantage I note is that you can use USB devices but no USB
streaming devices, like USB modems.

Hugo


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Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
>
> But I want to install XP in another disk, different from which etch is
> installed. So XP will install its own bootmanager into the mbr of this
> different disk. Am I wright? Remember that I can tell the bios from what
> disk the system boots. I gues I can use this in order to make the system
> boot from the second disk, where XP is being installed, making XP ignore
> the disk where etch is installed.
>

The safest way to do this:

Disconnect your disk with linux (hdc)

Install windows as you normally would on your other hard disk (hdd). The
windows installer will write its boot loader onto the master boot record
of hdd.

After windows is installed and working, reconnect your linux disk (hdc).

Ensure that the boot order in bios is set to boot from hdc. Boot into
linux, edit '/boot/grub/menu.lst' and add an entry for windows:

title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
root (hd1,0)
savedefault
makeactive
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
chainloader +1

The 'map' lines are required because windows can only boot from the
first hard disk.

HTH,
rajkiran


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On Tue, 2007.10.02 05:10, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> The safest way to do this:
>
> Disconnect your disk with linux (hdc)
>
> Install windows as you normally would on your other hard disk (hdd). The
> windows installer will write its boot loader onto the master boot record of
> hdd.
>
> After windows is installed and working, reconnect your linux disk (hdc).
>
> Ensure that the boot order in bios is set to boot from hdc. Boot into
> linux, edit '/boot/grub/menu.lst' and add an entry for windows:
>
> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
> root (hd1,0)
> savedefault
> makeactive
> map (hd0) (hd1)
> map (hd1) (hd0)
> chainloader +1
>
> The 'map' lines are required because windows can only boot from the first
> hard disk.

If I recall correctly, the map commands are not necessary with Windows XP: it
can be located on another drive than the first.

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On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 05:10 +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> >
> > But I want to install XP in another disk, different from which etch is
> > installed. So XP will install its own bootmanager into the mbr of this
> > different disk. Am I wright? Remember that I can tell the bios from what
> > disk the system boots. I gues I can use this in order to make the system
> > boot from the second disk, where XP is being installed, making XP ignore
> > the disk where etch is installed.
> >
>
> The safest way to do this:
>
> Disconnect your disk with linux (hdc)
>
> Install windows as you normally would on your other hard disk (hdd). The
> windows installer will write its boot loader onto the master boot record
> of hdd.
>
> After windows is installed and working, reconnect your linux disk (hdc).
>
> Ensure that the boot order in bios is set to boot from hdc. Boot into
> linux, edit '/boot/grub/menu.lst' and add an entry for windows:
>
> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
> root (hd1,0)
> savedefault
> makeactive
> map (hd0) (hd1)
> map (hd1) (hd0)
> chainloader +1
>
> The 'map' lines are required because windows can only boot from the
> first hard disk.

Thank you! My brother told me to do the some thing. Your information on
how to tell grub to discover XP is really valuable.

Regards

Marcelo


> HTH,
> rajkiran
>
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On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 05:10 +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:
> >
> > But I want to install XP in another disk, different from which etch is
> > installed. So XP will install its own bootmanager into the mbr of this
> > different disk. Am I wright? Remember that I can tell the bios from what
> > disk the system boots. I gues I can use this in order to make the system
> > boot from the second disk, where XP is being installed, making XP ignore
> > the disk where etch is installed.
> >
>
> The safest way to do this:
>
> Disconnect your disk with linux (hdc)
>
> Install windows as you normally would on your other hard disk (hdd). The
> windows installer will write its boot loader onto the master boot record
> of hdd.
>
> After windows is installed and working, reconnect your linux disk (hdc).
>
> Ensure that the boot order in bios is set to boot from hdc. Boot into
> linux, edit '/boot/grub/menu.lst' and add an entry for windows:
>
> title Microsoft Windows XP Professional
> root (hd1,0)
> savedefault
> makeactive
> map (hd0) (hd1)
> map (hd1) (hd0)
> chainloader +1
>
> The 'map' lines are required because windows can only boot from the
> first hard disk.

Raj,

I followed your advice step by step, and now I have a dual boot system,
etch + xp, which works pretty well. Thanks a lot!

Marcelo

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