On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 01:32:43PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:
>
> On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>> So, for example, if I'm
>> working in an x-term and I want another one, when it opens, the
>> first one gets resized to half the screen and the new one gets the
>> other half. Open another, and they each get squeezed into 1/3,
>> etc. Its a little wierd at first, but after practice, it really
>> begins to shine.
>
> Hmm. That seems like it'd be a pain with xterms, since text software often
> doesn't take well to having its window resized. I try to keep my xterms as
> close to 80x24 as possible to minimize problems with things like aptitude.

its no doubt that's a problem that crops up occaisionaly. It depends
on the software though. I find that mutt running in a screen instance
within an xfterminal (or whatever xfce's temrinal is, hangover from
xfce install) will get pretty wonky after its been detached,
reattached on another machine (ssh) but not that often. Probably some
curses apps would have fits too. Sometimes pagination of manpages or
less sessions will get borked, but IME, the vast majority of the time
its not a problem. And the gui app don't mind at all, although,
if you're using a full-screen stacked setup, some of those print
dialogs or file-pickers look pretty funny all stretched out.

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On 9/27/07, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 04:41:12PM -0400, Manu Hack wrote:
> > On 9/27/07, Andy <1aw@gmx.de> wrote:
> > > Am Donnerstag, 27. September 2007 21:02 schrieb Manu Hack:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I have a general question which I got when trying out different
> > > > windows managers/desktop environments. When I try to use windowmaker
> > > > (I wanted to make my computer faster as it's getting old), it
> > > > certainly is fast for initialization. But after that when around
> > > > 10-15 windows are opened and distributed in different workspaces, I
> > > > found moving around different workspaces and windows pretty slow (I
> > > > compared with KDE which I usually use.) and thus I still decided to
> > > > stick with KDE for the moment. Maybe the comparison is not fair as
> > > > KDE definitely needs longer time to initialize. But my question is,
> > > > is there a reason for that?
> > > >
> > > > Manu
> > > You might need more RAM
> >
> > I agree. But I'm still confused as to why KDE can outperform (at
> > least up to my experience) a supposedly light weight wm (maybe
> > windowmaker is not lightweight enough, will try fluxbox later) on the
> > same machine. Is that because of something like memory management or
> > something like that?
>
> its probably got more to do with memory *use* than management. By that
> I mean, you may end up wasting memory by using kde apps within a
> different wm. The kde apps will load up whole bunches of kde libs in
> order to function in addition to the libs used by whatever wm you're
> using. You haven't said what your 10-15 windows are doing, so I'm only
> guessing. Also, it what ways does kde perform better than windowmaker?
> is it in overall response of the system? screen drawing? window
> dragging? just switching from one app to another within the same
> workspace?

More windows are pretty standard, like gaim, iceweasel, icedove,
xchat, amule, etc. The thing happened is that whenever I need to move
to a workspace with more than 3 windows already there, it takes
seconds to "reload" and always give me a window on top which is not
previous on the top. I don't know why but it never happened in KDE or
Xfce.

>
> >
> > The reason I'm asking is that I want to change because before I
> > thought I can improve the efficiency by using a more lightweight wm
> > but it turns out it's not true in my case. So maybe as long as the
> > memory is enough to use KDE (or GNOME), KDE can be faster than those
> > lightweight wm because they use more memory?
>
> you should do some more comprehensive testing to see if you can figure
> out what's going on. keep an eye on a top instance or two and sort
> them by processor usage and memory usage. That will give some
> insight.

Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very happy
with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff).


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On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote:
[snip]
>
> Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very happy
> with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff).

What's the benefit of transparency?

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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:21:31PM -0400, Manu Hack wrote:
> On 9/27/07, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> >
> > its probably got more to do with memory *use* than management. By that
> > I mean, you may end up wasting memory by using kde apps within a
> > different wm. The kde apps will load up whole bunches of kde libs in
> > order to function in addition to the libs used by whatever wm you're
> > using. You haven't said what your 10-15 windows are doing, so I'm only
> > guessing. Also, it what ways does kde perform better than windowmaker?
> > is it in overall response of the system? screen drawing? window
> > dragging? just switching from one app to another within the same
> > workspace?
>
> More windows are pretty standard, like gaim, iceweasel, icedove,
> xchat, amule, etc. The thing happened is that whenever I need to move
> to a workspace with more than 3 windows already there, it takes
> seconds to "reload"

that sounds like either you're swapping or some problem with X
itself. Again, watch top and see what process is spiking during that
time and maybe you can narrow it down.


> and always give me a window on top which is not
> previous on the top.

that's a WM problem for sure.

A

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On 9/28/07, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> wrote:
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> On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very happy
> > with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff).
>
> What's the benefit of transparency?

Not much. And I'm not saying xfce4.4 is good only because of the transparency.


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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 01:32:43PM -0700, David Brodbeck wrote:

> Hmm. That seems like it'd be a pain with xterms, since text software often
> doesn't take well to having its window resized. I try to keep my xterms as
> close to 80x24 as possible to minimize problems with things like aptitude.

I don't recall such problems with aptitude. I'm resizing it quite often
as I like my xterm (mlterm) fullscreen, but sometimes I start the
program first. Maybe it depends also on the xterm used. If you encounter
such problems again maybe you should try a few other xterms just to be
sure.

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What about stumpwm?

http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/

Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch?

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Pál Csányi <csanyipal@gmail.com>:
> What about stumpwm?
>
> http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/
>
> Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch?

You could (aptitude search):

p stumpwm - a Common Lisp window manager

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"Pál Csányi" <csanyipal@gmail.com> writes:

> What about stumpwm?
>
> http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/
>
> Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch?

Yes, I have it installed using etch, and like it very much. Though it
was kind of hard to get going. You may have already set it up, but just
in case you have not, of in case somebody else is trying, I will briefly
mention what I found worked. It may somebody out there.

Firstly, I never got the Debian version working at all. I am sure I
goofed it up, but I just couldn't find a way to make it start. The docs
didn't seem to offer anything useful at all either. In the end I used
the CVS version of stumpwm. It has a real README which actually has
decent instructions. By following them I had a working executable in
just a couple of minutes. However, sbcl from Debian also does not work
right, and under any kind of load the entire system becomes uselessly
unresponsive. I removed the SBCL installed via apt, and recompiled it
from source. Then I installed clx using asdf "(require 'asdf) (require
'asdf-install) (asdf-install:install 'clx)" and recompiled stump. This
worked fine, though the final product tends not to be very lightweight.

I was also able to get stump with clisp working, though in the end it
was less than reliable. The up-side though is that it is much, much
lighter than sbcl. Again, I could not get the clisp I installed via apt
to work, and had to compile from source. It failed again and again to
work with stump though, until I tried CVS on that too. I also had to
use new-clx instead of mit-clx. Unfortunately, even after getting it to
work it crashes X fairly regularly (anytime certain dialog boxes are
used, such as print or downloads) and so is rather less than useful.
Really too bad as I was much impressed with its generally faster,
lighter feel than stump with sbcl.

But, I did get sbcl going okay, and with it stump seems solid and
usable. It is fast overall, and certainly has the nice feel of
ratpoison, with the bonus of a mode-line. And even though it is not
terribly lightweight considering the sparsity of the thing I still think
it is an excellent choice for a tiling WM.

However, as much as I liked it, xmonad (http://xmonad.org/) was even
more pleasing than everything else. It also took a little work to get
going, though nothing like stump, but it was worth it in the end. It is
unbelievably light and fast and even seems smaller than ratpoison. And
dzen2, a separate app, as a status-bar is much more full-featured than
stump's, and seems about as good as what ion has. Additionally, it
handles transient windows much more realistically than does stump or
ratpoison. With it you can also grab the window and resize it making
that window a floating one rather than tiling, all without the hoops you
seemingly had to jump through with ion3 to do the same thing. Without a
doubt, xmonad with dzen has been the most satisfying and simple approach
I have yet tried in the window manager market.

Patrick

Hello Patrick!

2007/9/29, cothrige <cothrige@bellsouth.net>:
> "Pál Csányi" <csanyipal@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > What about stumpwm?
> >
> > http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/
> >
> > Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch?
>
> Yes, I have it installed using etch, and like it very much. Though it
> was kind of hard to get going. You may have already set it up, but just
> in case you have not, of in case somebody else is trying, I will briefly
> mention what I found worked. It may somebody out there.

No, I have not set it up.
Thank you for !

> Firstly, I never got the Debian version working at all. I am sure I ...
> the CVS version of stumpwm. It has a real README which actually has
> decent instructions. By following them I had a working executable in
> just a couple of minutes. However, sbcl from Debian also does not work
> right, and under any kind of load the entire system becomes uselessly
> unresponsive. I removed the SBCL installed via apt, and recompiled it
> from source. Then I installed clx using asdf "(require 'asdf) (require
> 'asdf-install) (asdf-install:install 'clx)" and recompiled stump. This
> worked fine, though the final product tends not to be very lightweight.

The debian stumpwm package dependency are: sbcl cl-clx-sbcl.

Would you please give for us the step by step advices how to install
from CVS stumpwm?

Just in any case, if you have stumpwm installed from CVS on Debian,
how can you uninstall (purge) it? (For case if the Debian stumpwm
package come usable.)

> But, I did get sbcl going okay, and with it stump seems solid and
> usable. It is fast overall, and certainly has the nice feel of
> ratpoison, with the bonus of a mode-line. And even though it is not
> terribly lightweight considering the sparsity of the thing I still think
> it is an excellent choice for a tiling WM.

I wish to try it out!

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>
> Where can I pass the -fn argument to xterm to set up font size, using dwm?

Edit your config.h file. There are mod keys defined for specific programs. Edit the arguments there.

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"Pál Csányi" <csanyipal@gmail.com> writes:

> Hello Patrick!

Howdy,

> No, I have not set it up.
> Thank you for !

Glad to be able to do so.

> The debian stumpwm package dependency are: sbcl cl-clx-sbcl.

Yeah, and I actually met those, and it may have "worked" except I could
never get it started as I just didn't know how. It may be because I am
not a lisper, but it just seemed very esoteric. There were no direct
instructions of what to do to get things running. For instance, what
command do you use and where? I just never did get it running and the
/usr/share/doc... stuff didn't really me at all.

Also, finding out later that the Debian SBCL has a problem and causes
the entire system to virtually stop running if you do any CPU intensive
tasks I have very strong doubts it would be a good idea to run stump
that way in the first place. Much better I think to go ahead and
compile sbcl yourself.

> Would you please give for us the step by step advices how to install
> from CVS stumpwm?

First I installed SBCL via apt. This is because you have to have a lisp
to compile sbcl (odd, huh?) and that one works fine. I am sure clisp or
cmucl would work too, but I already had sbcl because I was trying to get
stump working, and so I used it. Of course, YMMV. I then grabbed the
source to sbcl from their website, untarred it and changed to that
directory. In there I configured it (not sure exactly how as it was a
while ago) to install in my home directory rather than in /usr/local.
This way it would not interfere, even temporarily with my system sbcl
which I was using to compile it. It also makes uninstalling as easy as
deleting the sbcl dirs in my home folder. Apps like sbcl are hard to
uninstall and so this works well for me. Just export SBCL_HOME in your
..bashrc with something like
"export SBCL_HOME=/home/cothrige/lisp/lib/sbcl" and then `source ~/.bashrc'.

I then started sbcl and typed the following one at a time at the prompt,
to install clx:

* (require 'asdf)
* (require 'asdf-install)
* (asdf-install:install 'clx)

This will download and install everything for you. BTW, I installed it
system-wide, but I don't think it matters if you use your home directory
for sbcl as I did. If you use /usr/local or some such it will obviously
matter. Then I closed SBCL and grabbed the stump source this way:

cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/stumpwm login
cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anoncvs@cvs.savannah.nongnu.org:/cvsroot/stumpwm co stumpwm

(BTW, press return for the password on the first one.)

This will create a stumwpm directory. Cd there and do the following:

autoconf
../configure
make

That will do it. It defaults to sbcl, and if you have installed sbcl to
a place in your path you will have no trouble at all. There is no make
install or the like as you run it from this directory. What you do is
move the stumpwm folder to wherever you like and then just invoke that
in your .xinitrc. If I left it in my home directory for instance, it
would be like this:

exec ~/stumpwm/stumpwm

There is a sample .stumpwmrc file in the stumpwm directory, but it has
nothing on the mode-line in it. If you are interested in that you will
need something for it. It isn't too bad to get configured once it is up
and running, though I found all of it to be somewhat vague. If you
think you would like it I will gladly post up a copy of my stumpwmrc
file and you can look at that to see if you see anything which may
you.

> Just in any case, if you have stumpwm installed from CVS on Debian,
> how can you uninstall (purge) it? (For case if the Debian stumpwm
> package come usable.)

Well, the nice thing is since it doesn't install at all you just delete
the entire stumpwm directory and that really does purge it. The way I
did things nothing left my home folder at all, which made cleanup much
easier. And the way I kept messing it up with trial and error that
approach came in handy, believe me.

I hope this s you get it running. Once I did I really liked it,
though I didn't end up staying with full time. Maybe I just liked the
challenge of making it work. ;-)

Good luck on it.

Patrick

2007/9/29, cothrige <cothrige@bellsouth.net>:
> "Pál Csányi" <csanyipal@gmail.com> writes:
> > The debian stumpwm package dependency are: sbcl cl-clx-sbcl.
>
> Yeah, and I actually met those, and it may have "worked" except I could
> never get it started as I just didn't know how. It may be because I am
> not a lisper, but it just seemed very esoteric. There were no direct
> instructions of what to do to get things running. For instance, what
> command do you use and where? I just never did get it running and the
> /usr/share/doc... stuff didn't really me at all.

I was subscribed to stumpwm list and get an instruction how to start stumpwm:
----------------->
Have you read /usr/share/doc/stumpwm/README.Debian [3]? It contains
information about how to start StumpWM.
-----------------<
----------------->
There's an open Debian bug about how to start StumpWM for CL newbies,
it's bug #356948 [4]. As you can read at [5], I'm working on a
solution for bug #356948 and a new Debian package is expected in the
next two weeks.

[4] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=356948
[5] http://common-lisp.net/pipermail/cl-...ly/002634.html
-----------------<
----------------->
If you want to start StumpWM from Emacs (which is not my advice),
fire-up SLIME and then give only the two last commands:

* (asdfos 'asdf:load-op 'stumpwm)
* (stumpwm:stumpwm)

My advice is to start the swank in ~/.stumpwmrc. Then once StumpWM
has started you can launch Emacs and connect to the running StumpWM
from SLIME with `slime-connect'.
-----------------<

Howewer, because I'm CL newbie, I can't to start stumpwm on Debian Etch.

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"Pál Csányi" <csanyipal@gmail.com> writes:

> Have you read /usr/share/doc/stumpwm/README.Debian [3]? It contains
> information about how to start StumpWM.

I tried this too, and I think it takes a great deal for granted. There
is just too much assumed about what you know for this stuff to work,
IMHO.

> If you want to start StumpWM from Emacs (which is not my advice),
> fire-up SLIME and then give only the two last commands:
>
> * (asdfos 'asdf:load-op 'stumpwm)
> * (stumpwm:stumpwm)

Yes, I tried this, but it didn't work for me. And swank has its own
troubles, as far as newbies are concerned. I did get it working kind
of, but it was never too solid, and tends to cause more problems than it
would ever be worth to me. Since I am a lisp newb I just doubt that
there is much I can do in the way of hacking stump on the fly. ;-)

> Howewer, because I'm CL newbie, I can't to start stumpwm on Debian Etch.

I feel your pain brother. Believe me, the thing to do is to just use
CVS stump, compile it to run with sbcl and then load it via .xinitrc.
That way it just runs like any other WM, and is loaded in the same way.
Way better method if you ask me.

Patrick

Pál Csányi <csanyipal@gmail.com>:
> What about stumpwm?
>
> http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/
>
> Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch?

You could (aptitude search):

p stumpwm - a Common Lisp window manager

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> and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop.

Hello Preston,

what version of debian are you talking about? On a P133, 32MB, Dell Laptop
it seemed to me that the last Debian version usable (speed...) was Potato.


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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 01:50:35PM -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote:
> On 9/27/07, Manu Hack <manuhack@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a general question which I got when trying out different
> > windows managers/desktop environments. When I try to use windowmaker
> > (I wanted to make my computer faster as it's getting old), it
> > certainly is fast for initialization. But after that when around
> > 10-15 windows are opened and distributed in different workspaces, I
> > found moving around different workspaces and windows pretty slow (I
> > compared with KDE which I usually use.) and thus I still decided to
> > stick with KDE for the moment. Maybe the comparison is not fair as
> > KDE definitely needs longer time to initialize. But my question is,
> > is there a reason for that?
> >
> Don't know about windowMaker, but you might try:
>
> fluxbox
> icewm
> pekwm
> fvwm2
>
> You might find some pretty light, and some besides offering lots of
> fun and good looking features... I use fluxbox and a machine with
> 512M main, and 64M ati-rage is performing pretty well...
>

I found that the litest is icewm. Works great on my P-II-133 with 64 MB
ram and on my 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram. The 486 wouldn't run Etch so
it runs great with OpenBSD. Woody also runs great on it. Iceweasel
takes a long time to render.

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Pál Csányi <csanyipal@gmail.com>:
> What about stumpwm?
>
> http://www.nongnu.org/stumpwm/
>
> Use this window manager somebody on Debian Etch?

You could (aptitude search):

p stumpwm - a Common Lisp window manager

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On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:56 -0500, Preston Boyington wrote:

[...]
> and fyi, i use debian with fluxbox on my P133, 16mb, compaq laptop.

Hello Preston,

what version of debian are you talking about? On a P133, 32MB, Dell Laptop
it seemed to me that the last Debian version usable (speed...) was Potato.


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> I found that the litest is icewm. Works great on my P-II-133 with 64 MB
> ram and on my 486DX4-100 with 32 MB ram. The 486 wouldn't run Etch so
> it runs great with OpenBSD. Woody also runs great on it. Iceweasel
> takes a long time to render.
>
> Doug.

Try DWM. Much lighter than icewm. Also instead of iceweasel, use a CLI web browser such as links2 (much better that lynx IMHO).

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On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:36:46PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very happy
> > with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff).
>
> What's the benefit of transparency?

It's kwool ..

Beryz and Compyl are yet kwooler..!!

Sorry .. just testing my list/email/internet is OK after fixing a
hardware issue.

Please flame.

:-)

cga


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cga2000 <cga2000@optonline.net> said:
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2007 at 06:36:46PM EDT, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> > On 09/28/07 17:21, Manu Hack wrote:
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > Yeah, will do if I have the time. But at the moment I'm very
> > > happy with xfce4.4 (fast and with the real transparency stuff).
> >
> > What's the benefit of transparency?
>
> It's kwool ..
>
> Beryz and Compyl are yet kwooler..!!
>
> Sorry .. just testing my list/email/internet is OK after fixing a
> hardware issue.
>
> Please flame.
>
> :-)
>
> cga
>
My opinion (of course, the only one that counts) is that it is /hot/,
not kwool. Maybe it's because I've turned on the magic fire for all
the options. That's enough flame for me. Is it enough for you?

;-]

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