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On 09/27/07 01:58, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Steve Lamb wrote:
> [snip]
>> To my mind the fact that I said it would be nice to have versioning that
>> worked with OOo, Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines implied that OOo,
>> Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines were not on the table for replacement.
>
> You are aware that this mail of yours is the first and only one in the
> whole thread that ever mentioned "Freemind" or "Storylines"? You never
> stated that these were your requirements.

His original post *did* mention them.

>> Of course in writing this explanation for you I do find it mildly amusing
>> that lots of people seemed to have latched onto versioning as an absolute
>> requirement, feel obligated to change one of the tools I am using to fit that
>> perception yet have not offered up any replacement tools for Freemind or
>> Storylines.
>
> I find it very amusing, that you find it amusing that other people can't
> read your mind. It amazing how efficient technology is nowadays in
> carrying your ideas quickly over the Atlantic; all you have to do is
> this: type them into an e-mail. Don't expect that they float without
> this little effort. ;-)


- From the original post, 08/22/07 15:26 UTC:
> o handle non-text data as well as some textual data. The main
> file that is going to change most often is an OOo document (odt).
> I'll also be storing any related files including Mindmap files
> (mm) and Writer's Cafe files.

- --
Ron Johnson, Jr.
Jefferson LA USA

Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day.
Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good!

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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 06:03:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

> - From the original post, 08/22/07 15:26 UTC:
> > o handle non-text data as well as some textual data. The main
> > file that is going to change most often is an OOo document (odt).

Here we have the source of some of the confusion. He's already specfied
odt _and_ some non-textual data. This implies something other than
simply some italics.

Since we don't know what type of non-text data, we don't know if it
needs versioning too or how to do it. We've already determined that we
don't know how to version odt.

So: if versioning isn't required, then what is the point of this thread?
If versioning is required, then odt isn't a possibility and people have
recommended LaTex as a suitable alternative that can incorporate
"non-text data" if that means graphics or e.g. formulae.

The only other solution to the versioning of something that you can't
diff would be a full-fledged database with full logging. Check out the
most recent version, edit it, then post it back as a new record. Since
these are files, they'd be 'huge' items in the database.

I don't know. I've never used Word or OO. Prior to LaTex it was lout;
both text markup. Prior to that it was WordPerfect on OS/2 that did its
own versioning, including graphics (since they were vector graphics, the
vertices were what was stored).

Doug.


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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 09/27/07 01:58, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> Steve Lamb wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> To my mind the fact that I said it would be nice to have versioning that
>>> worked with OOo, Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines implied that OOo,
>>> Freemind and Writer's Cafe/Storylines were not on the table for replacement.
>> You are aware that this mail of yours is the first and only one in the
>> whole thread that ever mentioned "Freemind" or "Storylines"? You never
>> stated that these were your requirements.
>
> His original post *did* mention them.

Sorry for this lapse of mine. I searched the thread for the terms
"Freemind" and "Storylines" as they appear in the later mail. In the
first mail they were called "Mindmap" and "Writer's Cafe" instead.

Johannes
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Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Sorry for this lapse of mine. I searched the thread for the terms
> "Freemind" and "Storylines" as they appear in the later mail. In the
> first mail they were called "Mindmap" and "Writer's Cafe" instead.

To explain I mistakenly called Freemind Mindmap as it is mindmapping
software. Storylines is a portion of a suite of software to an author
keep track of the elements of fictional writing which is called Writer's Cafe.
It would be what Writer is to OOo.

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PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do...
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Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 06:03:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> - From the original post, 08/22/07 15:26 UTC:
>> > o handle non-text data as well as some textual data. The main
>> > file that is going to change most often is an OOo document (odt).
>
> Here we have the source of some of the confusion. He's already specfied
> odt _and_ some non-textual data. This implies something other than
> simply some italics.

> Since we don't know what type of non-text data, we don't know if it
> needs versioning too or how to do it. We've already determined that we
> don't know how to version odt.

You snipped the relevant portion of that requirement. Freemind (stated
mistakenly as Mindmap) and Storylines files were the examples I gave for
non-textual. I started out the thread thinking that OOo could be versioned
since I knew it was nothing more than an XML document. I did not know atthe
time it was compressed which would render it non-text to a versioning software.

I was quickly disabused of that misconception and was perfectly fine to
not have versioning via normal textual means. In fact I then switched my
thinking to how to get OOo to save uncompressed or have the versioning
software to handle OOo documents. But if I can't get it versioned that'sno
big deal.

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Steve C. Lamb | But who decides what they dream?
PGP Key: 8B6E99C5 | And dream I do...
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2007 at 08:50:06AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> I was quickly disabused of that misconception and was perfectly fine to
> not have versioning via normal textual means. In fact I then switched my
> thinking to how to get OOo to save uncompressed or have the versioning
> software to handle OOo documents. But if I can't get it versioned that's no
> big deal.
>

This guy has a makefile which handles ODF packing and unpacking for
use in a versioning system:

http://clarencedang.blogspot.com/200...ontrolled.html
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/37o2bz>

HTH

dt

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dave@thayer-boyle.com | you, which is why I don't like to read
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