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Vieux 08/09/2007, 07h00   #1
Robert Epprecht
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I have activated more text consoles by adding lines like the following
to /etc/inittab
8:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty8
9:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty9
[...]

If I try to type german umlauts on these new consoles I get garbage instead.
How can I fix that?

Thanks a lot,
Robert Epprecht


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Vieux 08/09/2007, 10h40   #2
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On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 07:53:06 +0200, Robert Epprecht wrote:
> I have activated more text consoles by adding lines like the following
> to /etc/inittab
> 8:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty8
> 9:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty9
> [...]
>
> If I try to type german umlauts on these new consoles I get garbage instead.
> How can I fix that?


Which mechanism do you use to install the German keymap for the standard
consoles? You have to extend that to the new ones. For example, I use
the tools/initscripts of the "console-setup" package to set up console
keymaps and fonts, so I would have to change the line

ACTIVE_CONSOLES="/dev/tty[1-6]"

in /etc/default/console-setup to activate these settings for additional
ttys.

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Vieux 08/09/2007, 12h40   #3
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Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> writes:

> On Sat, Sep 08, 2007 at 07:53:06 +0200, Robert Epprecht wrote:
>> I have activated more text consoles by adding lines like the following
>> to /etc/inittab
>> 8:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty8
>> If I try to type german umlauts on these new consoles I get garbage instead.


> Which mechanism do you use to install the German keymap for the standard
> consoles?


To be honest, I don't know (I'll try to find out).
It's whatever the etch installer has configured for me.
(I have choosen the default en_US language, but a german keymap).

> For example, I use the tools/initscripts of the "console-setup" package
> to set up console keymaps and fonts, so I would have to change [ ... ]


It's not installed here.

I do have console-tools but don't know what to do with it.
Changing /etc/console-tools/config adding SCREEN_FONT_vc8=lat0-sun16
(and similar lines) does not change anything.

Thank you,
Robert Epprecht


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Vieux 08/09/2007, 14h00   #4
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On 09/08/2007 06:31 AM, Robert Epprecht wrote:
> [...]
> I do have console-tools but don't know what to do with it.
> Changing /etc/console-tools/config adding SCREEN_FONT_vc8=lat0-sun16
> (and similar lines) does not change anything.
>
> Thank you,
> Robert Epprecht
>
>


I don't know exactly the function of APP_CHARSET_MAP in
/etc/console-tools/config, but you could try setting it for the VC's in
questions, e.g.

APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc8=iso05
APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc9=iso05

Iso05 may be wrong for your system. Use what you think is most appropriate.


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Vieux 08/09/2007, 16h50   #5
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"Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> writes:

> I don't know exactly the function of APP_CHARSET_MAP in
> /etc/console-tools/config, but you could try setting it for the VC's
> in questions, e.g.
>
> APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc8=iso05
> APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc9=iso05


This *does* has an effect: if I press german umlauts then different garbage
is displayed than without ;-)

> Iso05 may be wrong for your system. Use what you think is most appropriate.


Where can I find out what other possibilities I have, and what they mean?
What could be appropriate on ordinary PC hardware for english and german?
How could I find out what consoles 1-6 use (which seems right)?

BTW: I have no idea which program uses /etc/console-tools/config and where
it is called in the boot process and under which name.

Thanks for insights,
Robert Epprecht


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Vieux 08/09/2007, 20h10   #6
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On 09/08/2007 10:49 AM, Robert Epprecht wrote:
> "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>> I don't know exactly the function of APP_CHARSET_MAP in
>> /etc/console-tools/config, but you could try setting it for the VC's
>> in questions, e.g.
>>
>> APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc8=iso05
>> APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc9=iso05

>
> This *does* has an effect: if I press german umlauts then different garbage
> is displayed than without ;-)
>
>> Iso05 may be wrong for your system. Use what you think is most appropriate.

>
> Where can I find out what other possibilities I have, and what they mean?


dpkg -L console-tools | grep man

That should show some candidate manual pages. I haven't found the iso05
part, and I don't think it's documented.

> What could be appropriate on ordinary PC hardware for english and german?
> How could I find out what consoles 1-6 use (which seems right)?
>


Try iso01 through iso06.

> BTW: I have no idea which program uses /etc/console-tools/config and where
> it is called in the boot process and under which name.
>
> Thanks for insights,
> Robert Epprecht
>
>


It looks like it's /etc/rcS.d/S48console-screen.sh.

It might also be a good idea to do "dpkg-reconfigure locales"; that
might set up your consoles for your default locale.

How do you attempt to enter German umlauts? How would you enter "ö" at
the console?


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Vieux 09/09/2007, 07h40   #7
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Mumia, thanks a lot for taking your time.

"Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> writes:

> On 09/08/2007 10:49 AM, Robert Epprecht wrote:
>> "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> writes:
>>
>>> I don't know exactly the function of APP_CHARSET_MAP in
>>> /etc/console-tools/config, but you could try setting it for the
>>> VC's in questions, e.g.
>>>
>>> APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc8=iso05


>>> Iso05 may be wrong for your system. Use what you think is most appropriate.

>>
>> Where can I find out what other possibilities I have, and what they mean?

>
> dpkg -L console-tools | grep man


That's quite a lot to study, and not so easy to understand.
I'm not through yet...

>> What could be appropriate on ordinary PC hardware for english and
>> german? How could I find out what consoles 1-6 use (which seems
>> right)?
>>

> Try iso01 through iso06.


Noone of them gave me german umlauts on consoles 8 through 12 (like I
do have them on console 1 through 6).


>> BTW: I have no idea which program uses /etc/console-tools/config and
>> where it is called in the boot process and under which name.


> It looks like it's /etc/rcS.d/S48console-screen.sh.


Yes I had seen this one, but I thought it would only be called in
single user mode. There is no such link in the other /etc/rcS.n
directories. Probably I do not understand that right.

> It might also be a good idea to do "dpkg-reconfigure locales"; that
> might set up your consoles for your default locale.


Tried that, no change.

> How do you attempt to enter German umlauts? How would you enter "ö" at
> the console?


I press the key right of 'l' which gives me 'ö' on consoles 1 through 6
but garbage on 8-12.

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Vieux 09/09/2007, 08h50   #8
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Robert Epprecht <epprecht@solnet.ch> writes:

>>> BTW: I have no idea which program uses /etc/console-tools/config and
>>> where it is called in the boot process and under which name.

>
>> It looks like it's /etc/rcS.d/S48console-screen.sh.

>
> I thought it would only be called in single user mode.


Before somebody takes his time to explain my error:
'man init' showed me that my assumption was wrong: /etc/rcS.d/ skripts
are called at boot time (not for single user mode).

Sorry for the noise!
Robert Epprecht


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Vieux 09/09/2007, 08h50   #9
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Robert Epprecht <epprecht@solnet.ch> writes:
> "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> writes:


>>> BTW: I have no idea which program uses /etc/console-tools/config and
>>> where it is called in the boot process and under which name.

>
>> It looks like it's /etc/rcS.d/S48console-screen.sh.

>
> Yes I had seen this one, but I thought it would only be called in
> single user mode. There is no such link in the other /etc/rcS.n
> directories. ^^^^^^^^^^


Sorry, I meant rc1.d rc2.d rc3.d rc4.d rc5.d rc6.d

Still searching...
Robert Epprecht


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Vieux 09/09/2007, 14h20   #10
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On 09/09/2007 01:33 AM, Robert Epprecht wrote:
> Mumia, thanks a lot for taking your time.
>
> "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> writes:
>
>> On 09/08/2007 10:49 AM, Robert Epprecht wrote:
>>> "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> I don't know exactly the function of APP_CHARSET_MAP in
>>>> /etc/console-tools/config, but you could try setting it for the
>>>> VC's in questions, e.g.
>>>>
>>>> APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc8=iso05

>
>>>> Iso05 may be wrong for your system. Use what you think is most appropriate.
>>> Where can I find out what other possibilities I have, and what they mean?

>> dpkg -L console-tools | grep man

>
> That's quite a lot to study, and not so easy to understand.
> I'm not through yet...
>


"Man 4 console" looks like a good starting point. However, the values
for APP_CHARSET_MAP don't seem to be documented in the console-tools
package.

>>> What could be appropriate on ordinary PC hardware for english and
>>> german? How could I find out what consoles 1-6 use (which seems
>>> right)?
>>>

>> Try iso01 through iso06.

>
> Noone of them gave me german umlauts on consoles 8 through 12 (like I
> do have them on console 1 through 6).
>
>
>>> BTW: I have no idea which program uses /etc/console-tools/config and
>>> where it is called in the boot process and under which name.

>
>> It looks like it's /etc/rcS.d/S48console-screen.sh.

>
> Yes I had seen this one, but I thought it would only be called in
> single user mode. There is no such link in the other /etc/rcS.n
> directories. Probably I do not understand that right.
>


"S" is the startup runlevel; when the machine boots, it starts in "S"
before going to the destination runlevel, e.g. "2".

>> It might also be a good idea to do "dpkg-reconfigure locales"; that
>> might set up your consoles for your default locale.

>
> Tried that, no change.
>
>> How do you attempt to enter German umlauts? How would you enter "ö" at
>> the console?

>
> I press the key right of 'l' which gives me 'ö' on consoles 1 through 6
> but garbage on 8-12.
>
> Robert Epprecht
>
>


I don't think I have too many more ideas--except to try random values
for iso## and hope that the machine doesn't crash.


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