Dear Debianists,

I use Debian Etch 4.0 r1 (amd64) on an amd64 box. I use Iceweasel. I
installed the gcj java plugin that is available as a deb file into Iceweasel
and it works after a fashion.

But not perfectly. I have found that a number of distillation calculation
applets I have used don't work at all or not properly.

I found this by comparing the results of running the applets in a WIndows
environment that an IT manager I know uses......

They all work correctly for him.

I then went to the Blackdown site and replaced the gcj plugin with the amd64
java plugin that Blackdown provide.

It took quite a bit of farting around to achieve this.

What is interesting (at least to me) is that the errors in the applets are
identical whether I am using the gcj plugin or the Blackdown plugin......

I mentioned this to the IT guy. He wondered whether the java I am using
might actually be fine, but something in the browser is preventing the
applets from being displayed properly.

He suggested trying a different browser.

I assume (and please could you confirm) that the code in for the gcj java
plugin and the Blackdown plugin are different enough from each other that
they wouldn't necessarily produce exactly the same errors in the display and
functioning of these applets.

If that is true then perhaps it is indirect evidence that there is something
not quite right with the browser in some way.....

If this is the case, what other browsers are there available in etch 4.0
amd64 land (Epiphany is one I think) and in particular which ones are
different enough to Iceweasel in code and java display technology that I
might expect to get different (maybe better) results with these applets in
my case?

The gcj deb file seems to be automatically installed in Iceweasel. How do
you get apt to install it in e.g. Epiphany or other browsers?

Comments appreciated

Michael Fothergill

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On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:56:08PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
[snip stuff I know nothing about]
> If this is the case, what other browsers are there available in etch 4.0
> amd64 land (Epiphany is one I think) and in particular which ones are
> different enough to Iceweasel in code and java display technology that I
> might expect to get different (maybe better) results with these applets in
> my case?

What about Konq with the konqueror-nsplugins package. Konq isn't a
geko browser yet the nsplugins package allows you to use mozilla
plugins.

If you don't use KDE otherwise, I know its a lot to drag in. I don't
use KDE either but I like Konq (and k3b CD burner).

Doug.


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On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:56:08PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
[snip stuff I know nothing about]
> If this is the case, what other browsers are there available in etch 4.0
> amd64 land (Epiphany is one I think) and in particular which ones are
> different enough to Iceweasel in code and java display technology that I
> might expect to get different (maybe better) results with these applets in
> my case?

What about Konq with the konqueror-nsplugins package. Konq isn't a
geko browser yet the nsplugins package allows you to use mozilla
plugins.

If you don't use KDE otherwise, I know its a lot to drag in. I don't
use KDE either but I like Konq (and k3b CD burner).

Doug.


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>From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: installing java plugin in browsers other than Iceweasel in
>amd64 etch
>Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:06:24 -0400
>
>On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:56:08PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>[snip stuff I know nothing about]
> > If this is the case, what other browsers are there available in etch 4.0
> > amd64 land (Epiphany is one I think) and in particular which ones are
> > different enough to Iceweasel in code and java display technology that I
> > might expect to get different (maybe better) results with these applets
>in
> > my case?
>
>What about Konq with the konqueror-nsplugins package. Konq isn't a
>geko browser yet the nsplugins package allows you to use mozilla
>plugins.
>

Thanks for the advice. I went in Synaptic (I am using gnome) and installed
konqueror. I also installed the konqueror-nsplugins package.....

Is that enough to install java on the browser? The applets don't work at
the moment in it but I can see web pages OK. How do I install mozilla
plugins into it? There is a konq-plugins deb package that I haven't
installed yet..... Should I install it? What does it do that the nsplugins
doesn't do?

What does Knetattach do? Do I need this or is it just a gimmick?

The settings page in Konqueror says that java is installed globally etc...
but it doesn't work yet.

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill


>If you don't use KDE otherwise, I know its a lot to drag in. I don't
>use KDE either but I like Konq (and k3b CD burner).
>
>Doug.
>
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On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 08:11:58PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
> >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Re: installing java plugin in browsers other than Iceweasel in
> >amd64 etch
> >Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:06:24 -0400

> Thanks for the advice. I went in Synaptic (I am using gnome) and installed
> konqueror. I also installed the konqueror-nsplugins package.....
>
> Is that enough to install java on the browser? The applets don't work at
> the moment in it but I can see web pages OK.

Diff java and javascript. I've never used java.

> How do I install mozilla plugins into it?

Get the plug-in and install it as if you had iceweasel/mozilla/whatever.
They go in the mozilla plugins directory. The nsplugins package ensures
that konq finds them.

> There is a konq-plugins deb package that I haven't installed yet.....
> Should I install it? What does it do that the nsplugins doesn't do?

The konq-plugins are extensions to the browser; read the package
description.

>
> What does Knetattach do? Do I need this or is it just a gimmick?
>
Don't know.

> The settings page in Konqueror says that java is installed globally etc...
> but it doesn't work yet.



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