I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server. I run a
combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server. Is there
a program available that will provide instant messaging within the network?


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On 07/28/07 21:52, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[snip]
>
> Instant messaging on a home network? Try a low-tech holler:
> "SOOOOEEE! TURN ON THE MODEM!"

What ever happened to diald?

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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 10:33:14PM -0400, Jesus Arocho wrote:
> I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server. I run a
> combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server.
> Is there a program available that will provide instant messaging
> within the network?

Instant messaging on a home network? Try a low-tech holler:
"SOOOOEEE! TURN ON THE MODEM!"

When my wife wants me when I'm downstairs, she knocks on the floor.

Or she tells our dog George: "go get Doug".

Talk? I think there are X talk clients if you don't want to keep an
xterm open.

If its just a single message: good old write.

Doug.


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On 7/28/07, ArcticFox <genkokitsu@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
> On Jul 28, 2007, at 9:33 PM, Jesus Arocho wrote:
>
> > I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server. I run a
> > combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server.
> > Is there
> > a program available that will provide instant messaging within the
> > network?
> >
> Try looking in to Jabber, you can run that as a server.
> (http://www.jabber.org/) I've never used it though, only looked into it
> for use with my Mac.

Some Jabber clients (on linux, gajim and maybe pidgin) also support
link local (serverless) messaging. I have never used it so I can't say
more than that.


Cheers,
Kelly


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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 09:59:05PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 07/28/07 21:52, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > Instant messaging on a home network? Try a low-tech holler:
> > "SOOOOEEE! TURN ON THE MODEM!"
>
> What ever happened to diald?
>

Its an external Courier. I meant push the button to turn it on. It was
only a humourous comment; my wife would kill me if I addressed her as
SOOOOEE like I was calling in a cow; my wife wouldn't know what a modem
looks like.

To get the modem to connect, I ssh to that box and type:
$pon courier
$bwm-ng

and leave this VC 1 open. VC 2 is ssh'd to the box and either mutt or
$watch -n 20 "from -c"

VC 3 is for net-related curses stuff (currently a wget session).
VC 4 is where I type startx when I need to.

There was a time when I had Ctrl-Alt-UP set in inittab to open a new vt.

Doug.


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On 07/28/07 22:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 09:59:05PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> On 07/28/07 21:52, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> Instant messaging on a home network? Try a low-tech holler:
>>> "SOOOOEEE! TURN ON THE MODEM!"
>> What ever happened to diald?
>>
>
> Its an external Courier. I meant push the button to turn it on. It was
> only a humourous comment; my wife would kill me if I addressed her as
> SOOOOEE like I was calling in a cow;

It's even worse than that. SOOOOEE is how you call a pig.

> my wife wouldn't know what a modem
> looks like.

I didn't either, until someone pointed one (a 300 baud acoustic
coupler, in fact) out to me, and said, "That's a modem."

> To get the modem to connect, I ssh to that box and type:
> $pon courier
> $bwm-ng
>
> and leave this VC 1 open. VC 2 is ssh'd to the box and either mutt or
> $watch -n 20 "from -c"
>
> VC 3 is for net-related curses stuff (currently a wget session).
> VC 4 is where I type startx when I need to.
>
> There was a time when I had Ctrl-Alt-UP set in inittab to open a new vt.
>
> Doug.
>
>


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Jesus Arocho wrote:

> I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server. I run a
> combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server. Is
> there a program available that will provide instant messaging within the
> network?
Hi Jesus,
You can try KSalup
KSalup supports two protocols :

Communication with a computer running Winpopup or using the
NetBios protocol over TCP sending and receiving messages through Samba.

Communication with computers on a local subnet, using the
Netbios protocol over UDP, compatible with almost all of the current
softwares
(Kurupop, Pipo p, Salup, Windows NT, ...)
Cheers,
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Ron Johnson wrote:
> What ever happened to diald?

It was obsoleted by the demand-dial feature of pppd which can be configured
with pppconfig.

Doug writes:
> Its an external Courier. I meant push the button to turn it on.

Why do you turn it off?
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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:30:05PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> and leave this VC 1 open. VC 2 is ssh'd to the box and either mutt or
> $watch -n 20 "from -c"
>
> VC 3 is for net-related curses stuff (currently a wget session).
> VC 4 is where I type startx when I need to.
>
> There was a time when I had Ctrl-Alt-UP set in inittab to open a new vt.

Never heard of 'screen'?

Regards,
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:54:34PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:30:05PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> > and leave this VC 1 open. VC 2 is ssh'd to the box and either mutt or
> > $watch -n 20 "from -c"
> >
> > VC 3 is for net-related curses stuff (currently a wget session).
> > VC 4 is where I type startx when I need to.
> >
> > There was a time when I had Ctrl-Alt-UP set in inittab to open a new vt.
>
> Never heard of 'screen'?
>

I have heard of it, but it relies, like so many other gnu tools, on the
operator (me) having either a good memory or a cheat-sheet for
keystrokes. I have a poor memory (learning disability) and a
cheat-sheet makes using it very slow. Whereas, Ctrl-Alt-UP is simple.

Doug.


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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 04:22:23PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:

> > > There was a time when I had Ctrl-Alt-UP set in inittab to open a new vt.
> >
> > Never heard of 'screen'?
> >
>
> I have heard of it, but it relies, like so many other gnu tools, on the
> operator (me) having either a good memory or a cheat-sheet for
> keystrokes. I have a poor memory (learning disability) and a
> cheat-sheet makes using it very slow. Whereas, Ctrl-Alt-UP is simple.

The keybindings are configurable.

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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 10:33:14PM -0400, Jesus Arocho <jesus_arocho@comcast.net> was heard to say:
> I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server. I run a
> combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server. Is there
> a program available that will provide instant messaging within the network?

I believe zephyr is still hanging around in the archive.

Daniel


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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 10:33:14PM -0400, Jesus Arocho <jesus_arocho@comcast.net> was heard to say:
> I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server. I run a
> combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server. Is there
> a program available that will provide instant messaging within the network?

I believe zephyr is still hanging around in the archive.

Daniel


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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:54:34PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:30:05PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
> > and leave this VC 1 open. VC 2 is ssh'd to the box and either mutt or
> > $watch -n 20 "from -c"
> >
> > VC 3 is for net-related curses stuff (currently a wget session).
> > VC 4 is where I type startx when I need to.
> >
> > There was a time when I had Ctrl-Alt-UP set in inittab to open a new vt.
>
> Never heard of 'screen'?

I finally knuckled down and learned screen a few weeks ago and I've
never looked back. Its just ridiculously easy and convenient. And with
pubkey authentication, I'm never away from my desk. Its awesome.

A

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hi,

On 7/29/07, Jesus Arocho <jesus_arocho@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server. I run a
> combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server. Is there
> a program available that will provide instant messaging within the network?#

as pointed out, jabber is imho _the_ solution. I prefer wildfire
(google: wildfire igniterealtime).

It's java but i found it to be the most painless one in
upgrading/maintaining and it has a bunch of usefull plugins included.

hth
martin

PS: with that option you'll also have the chance to stay with that
account should you ever decide to make it public/use it as a public
available service.


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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 04:22:23PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:54:34PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:30:05PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >
> > > and leave this VC 1 open. VC 2 is ssh'd to the box and either mutt or
> > > $watch -n 20 "from -c"
> > >
> > > VC 3 is for net-related curses stuff (currently a wget session).
> > > VC 4 is where I type startx when I need to.
> > >
> > > There was a time when I had Ctrl-Alt-UP set in inittab to open a new vt.
> >
> > Never heard of 'screen'?
> >
>
> I have heard of it, but it relies, like so many other gnu tools, on the
> operator (me) having either a good memory or a cheat-sheet for
> keystrokes. I have a poor memory (learning disability) and a
> cheat-sheet makes using it very slow. Whereas, Ctrl-Alt-UP is simple.
>
> Doug.
I just started to use screen and it has 'control-a ?' which given you
the 'cheatsheet'. But you dont need all the commands to start using it.

I use:
'screen MYCOMMAND' to start a new screen session
control-a " for menu-based session selection
control-a n for 'go to next screen session'
'screen -list' to list the sessions

there are many more, but it is easy to try and then ask here for more
advanced options.
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On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 04:22:23PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:54:34PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:30:05PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> >
> > > and leave this VC 1 open. VC 2 is ssh'd to the box and either mutt or
> > > $watch -n 20 "from -c"
> > >
> > > VC 3 is for net-related curses stuff (currently a wget session).
> > > VC 4 is where I type startx when I need to.
> > >
> > > There was a time when I had Ctrl-Alt-UP set in inittab to open a new vt.
> >
> > Never heard of 'screen'?
> >
>
> I have heard of it, but it relies, like so many other gnu tools, on the
> operator (me) having either a good memory or a cheat-sheet for
> keystrokes. I have a poor memory (learning disability) and a
> cheat-sheet makes using it very slow. Whereas, Ctrl-Alt-UP is simple.
>
> Doug.
I just started to use screen and it has 'control-a ?' which given you
the 'cheatsheet'. But you dont need all the commands to start using it.

I use:
'screen MYCOMMAND' to start a new screen session
control-a " for menu-based session selection
control-a n for 'go to next screen session'
'screen -list' to list the sessions

there are many more, but it is easy to try and then ask here for more
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On 7/28/07, Jesus Arocho <jesus_arocho@comcast.net> wrote:
> I have a home network with 5 boxes, one of which is a server. I run a
> combination of Ubuntu and Debian desktops and Debian on the server. Is there
> a program available that will provide instant messaging within the network?

Pidgin as well as Gajim support link-local messaging using the XMPP
protocol (Jabber). As an added bonus this is designed to inter-operate
with iChat for Mac OS X.

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 10:16:32PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:

...

> I just started to use screen and it has 'control-a ?' which given you
> the 'cheatsheet'. But you dont need all the commands to start using it.
>
> I use:
> 'screen MYCOMMAND' to start a new screen session
> control-a " for menu-based session selection
> control-a n for 'go to next screen session'
> 'screen -list' to list the sessions
>
> there are many more, but it is easy to try and then ask here for more
> advanced options.

interestingly, as we wander more OT from the original thread, my
recent adoption of screen has catapulted me into higher levels of
geekdom. For example, I now no longer maintain multiple email clients
in multiple locations as I just ssh in to my main box and reattach my
current screen session. Also, the reorientation to a keystroke driven
interface has pushed me to take the plunge and relearn wmii. I had
previously learned and loved wmii2, but the transition to wmii3 didn't
go over well with me. Now, running a dual-head setup and putting in
just a few minutes to grind through the transition, wmii3 is
awesome. Couple that with screen and multiple tags on my screen
window, so that its always available whatever my view currently is and
I'm in heaven. Primary app gets full screen on the left monitor,
secondary apps and my screen session share the right monitor.

giggity giggity.

A

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On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 10:16:32PM -0400, Kevin Mark wrote:
> I just started to use screen and it has 'control-a ?' which given you
> the 'cheatsheet'. But you dont need all the commands to start using it.
>
> I use:
> 'screen MYCOMMAND' to start a new screen session
> control-a " for menu-based session selection
> control-a n for 'go to next screen session'
> 'screen -list' to list the sessions
>
> there are many more, but it is easy to try and then ask here for more
> advanced options.

Yea, I just tried it again and it only took me 20 seconds to hit
something (wrong key?) and its frozen that vt, nothing works. I tried
killing its process and it remained frozen. Luckily, I had ssh'd in to
the box so I could kill the ssh session from the originating box.

I know, the GNU folks are in love with Ctrl-* * commands (witness info)
but why they can't give a screen like in minicom with drop-down menus or
something...

Doug.


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