The past day or so I've been learning to compile different programs. It's now something that seems very easy, which I thought was very hard prior to this.

I wanted to know if some of you find it better to compile your programs or just apt-get install them? I've been thinking about just compiling from now on since
it gives me more options. Thanks.

TW


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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:49:30 -0600
Telly Williams <twilliams001@elp.rr.com> wrote:

Hello Telly,

> I wanted to know if some of you find it better to compile your
> programs or just apt-get install them? I've been thinking about just

A mixture of both. The bulk of software here is installed from .deb
packages, using $preferredpackagemanager. There are half a dozen or so
programs that I prefer to compile myself because the .debs are a bit
too far out of date, or use compile-time options that don't suit my
needs, or even that I need to patch myself.

> compiling from now on since it gives me more options. Thanks.

You'll give yourself a big headache; Doing system upgrades purely from
source is time-consuming, to say the least.

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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 01:49:30PM -0600, Telly Williams wrote:
> The past day or so I've been learning to compile different programs. It's now something that seems very easy, which I thought was very hard prior to this.
>
> I wanted to know if some of you find it better to compile your programs or just apt-get install them? I've been thinking about just compiling from now on since
> it gives me more options. Thanks.

I'm entirely .debs except for gscpa (crappy webcam) modules built with
module-assistant and kqemu built from source, but only cause i haven't
bothered to install the deb yet. Once in a while if I'm hacking on
gnucash I'll build that from upstream source.

If you really want to compile everything and are doing this for fun
look at LFS (linux from scratch) or gentoo...

A

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:01:40 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:49:30 -0600
> Telly Williams <twilliams001@elp.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Telly,
>
>> I wanted to know if some of you find it better to compile your
>> programs or just apt-get install them? I've been thinking about just
>
> A mixture of both. The bulk of software here is installed from .deb
> packages, using $preferredpackagemanager. There are half a dozen or so
> programs that I prefer to compile myself because the .debs are a bit
> too far out of date, or use compile-time options that don't suit my
> needs, or even that I need to patch myself.
>
>> compiling from now on since it gives me more options. Thanks.
>
> You'll give yourself a big headache; Doing system upgrades purely from
> source is time-consuming, to say the least.
>

My son uses the gentoo distribution, and he loves it. Since all
packages are provided in compile-it-yourself source form, gentoo's
excellent package management system compiles everything from source.
He gets an extremely up-to-date system (I gather it's usually more
up-to-date than sid). It is a reportable bug if the gentoo package is
not as up-to-date as the upstream developers' release.

It took all night and several extra gigabytes of temporary storage to
install OpenOffice, though.

By the way, I use etch and try hard not to install anything that doesn't
arrive as a Debian package.

I'm installing gentoo on another partition,
for the occasional moments when I really need aggressive up-to-date-ness,
and having troubles. Xorg didn't autoconfigure properly.

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 02:40:13PM +0000, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> up-to-date than sid). It is a reportable bug if the gentoo package is
> not as up-to-date as the upstream developers' release.

Why isn't it in Debian? You can always file a minor or wishlist bug,
and normally, my experience has been that it is attended to.

> I'm installing gentoo on another partition,
> for the occasional moments when I really need aggressive up-to-date-ness,
> and having troubles. Xorg didn't autoconfigure properly.

I would like you to name a few packages which are not as up to date in
sid. Of course, there could very well be a reason, such as inactive
maintainer etc., but that should be reported to the BTS, IMO.

Comments?

Thanks.

Kumar
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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 02:40:13PM +0000, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> up-to-date than sid). It is a reportable bug if the gentoo package is
> not as up-to-date as the upstream developers' release.

Why isn't it in Debian? You can always file a minor or wishlist bug,
and normally, my experience has been that it is attended to.

> I'm installing gentoo on another partition,
> for the occasional moments when I really need aggressive up-to-date-ness,
> and having troubles. Xorg didn't autoconfigure properly.

I would like you to name a few packages which are not as up to date in
sid. Of course, there could very well be a reason, such as inactive
maintainer etc., but that should be reported to the BTS, IMO.

Comments?

Thanks.

Kumar
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC)
Hendrik Boom <hendrik@topoi.pooq.com> wrote:

Hello Hendrik,

> My son uses the gentoo distribution, and he loves it. Since all

I occasionally look at Gentoo, with a slightly green eye. I've never
quite mustered the courage to dive in, though.

> He gets an extremely up-to-date system (I gather it's usually more
> up-to-date than sid). It is a reportable bug if the gentoo package is

And that too, could be a problem for me; Occasionally, Debian Sid gets
"broken" and I wouldn't always know enough to be able to sort it out.
Especially if the problem meant I couldn't get on the 'net, because
with only the one machine available to me, I'd be completely unable to
seek assistance.

> It took all night and several extra gigabytes of temporary storage to
> install OpenOffice, though.

That's annoy my missus no end. She thinks my machine is on too long,
as it is.

> By the way, I use etch and try hard not to install anything that
> doesn't arrive as a Debian package.

I use Testing, and mostly use .deb packages, as I said. TBH, the ones
I do compile, I could probably get away with not doing so. It's just
that these few I like to be fairly up to date on.

> up-to-date-ness, and having troubles. Xorg didn't autoconfigure
> properly.

Which would be a killer for me.

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:20:52 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:

Hello Andrew,

> you turn your machine off? ...blink blink...
> /me wanders away muttering and confused...

:-)

Sometimes, I just have to bend to TOBAC's wishes.

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 04:02:01PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:40:13 +0000 (UTC)
> Hendrik Boom <hendrik@topoi.pooq.com> wrote:

...
>
> > It took all night and several extra gigabytes of temporary storage to
> > install OpenOffice, though.
>
> That's annoy my missus no end. She thinks my machine is on too long,
> as it is.
>

you turn your machine off? ...blink blink...

/me wanders away muttering and confused...


A

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 04:25:20PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:20:52 -0700
> Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Andrew,
>
> > you turn your machine off? ...blink blink...
> > /me wanders away muttering and confused...
>
> :-)
>
> Sometimes, I just have to bend to TOBAC's wishes.

TOBAC?

A

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 16:25:20 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:20:52 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
> Hello Andrew,
>
> > you turn your machine off? ...blink blink...
> > /me wanders away muttering and confused...
>
> :-)
>
> Sometimes, I just have to bend to TOBAC's wishes.

The Town of Oyster Bay Arts Council makes you switch off your computer?
Now I am even more confused than Andrew...

(Don't you look at me like that, I did in fact consult google.)

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 16:25:20 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:20:52 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
> Hello Andrew,
>
> > you turn your machine off? ...blink blink...
> > /me wanders away muttering and confused...
>
> :-)
>
> Sometimes, I just have to bend to TOBAC's wishes.

The Town of Oyster Bay Arts Council makes you switch off your computer?
Now I am even more confused than Andrew...

(Don't you look at me like that, I did in fact consult google.)

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:59:42 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:

Hello Andrew,

> TOBAC?

Answered in my reply to Florian.

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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:47:51 +0200
Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> wrote:

Hello Florian,

> > Sometimes, I just have to bend to TOBAC's wishes.
> The Town of Oyster Bay Arts Council makes you switch off your
> computer? Now I am even more confused than Andrew...

The Old Ball And Chain == The Wife.

Also, sometimes recorded as SWMBO; She Who Must Be Obeyed.

> (Don't you look at me like that, I did in fact consult google.)

So did I. Guess what? Top hit was exactly what you found. :-)

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On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 07:10:43PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:47:51 +0200
> Florian Kulzer <florian.kulzer+debian@icfo.es> wrote:
>
> Hello Florian,
>
> > > Sometimes, I just have to bend to TOBAC's wishes.
> > The Town of Oyster Bay Arts Council makes you switch off your
> > computer? Now I am even more confused than Andrew...
>
> The Old Ball And Chain == The Wife.
>
> Also, sometimes recorded as SWMBO; She Who Must Be Obeyed.
>
> > (Don't you look at me like that, I did in fact consult google.)
>
> So did I. Guess what? Top hit was exactly what you found. :-)

I'm simply replying to up the google ranking so that the next poor sap
to encounter TOBAC or SWMBO will maybe get lucky...

TOBAC TOBAC TOBAC

SWMBO SWMBO SWMBO


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On Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:25:22 -0700
Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:

Hello Andrew,

> I'm simply replying to up the google ranking so that the next poor sap
> to encounter TOBAC or SWMBO will maybe get lucky...

:-))

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