Dear Debianists,

I tried installing Adobe Acrobat from a tarball and it doesn't seem to work.
It was a while ago now so I have forgotten exactly what I did and didn't
do.

It seems a bit complex because it tries to put it in Iceweasel as plugin or
something and also as a stand alone program at the same time or
something.......

I don't remember it being as complex as this in the past.

At a very dumb level is there an acrobat deb file somewhere that would be
easy to install somewhere in the non free repository....?

I have never used the non free repository.

How do I tell aptitude etc how to find it?

Then I can get the package from the internet.

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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Hi Michael,

To us to you with the installing from tarball we would have to know
what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't .

I suggest you should try this new thing called "Searching the web". It
can give you nice links to web pages such as:

http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers

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>From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>
>To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
>CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:52:50 +0300
>
>Hi Michael,
>
>To us to you with the installing from tarball we would have to know
>what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't .

OK. I infer from this that there is no deb file and so you have to fart
around with the tarball.

>
>I suggest you should try this new thing called "Searching the web". It
>can give you nice links to web pages such as:
>
>http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers

I suspect the web doesn't say much about it other than Acrobat exists and
where you download it. If you go on the Adobe Linux download page it tells
you something like

1. Download the tarball.


2. type tar -xvf adobe-overcomplexbloatnowbutfineayearago.tar

after unzipping it and follow the prompts and it will put the executable in
the right bit of the file tree and everything will be OK etc.....

It did all this but doesn't work if you run acroread.

It also took me some farting around to figure out which directory it put the
acroread executable in so I could run it.

What would be useful is if I could do a magical untar command that would
tidy it all up and remove all the directories and junk it created cleanly
and then I could start again fresh and see of I could get it to work a
second time.

Suggestions on good untar command would be useful.


The alternative is doing some kind of recursive rm command in the
directories to get rid of everything and deleting the executable too and
starting again.

My fear is I did something that confused it so some kind of permission
problem or other voodoo meant that it couldn't see all the bits that it
needs to fire up properly.

Thanks,

Michael Fothergill

















>-Tom
>

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Michael Fothergill wrote:
> I suspect the web doesn't say much about it other than Acrobat exists
> and where you download it.


You might consider reading instead of "suspecting" -- that's not the case.


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On 07/28/07 13:20, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
>
>
>> From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>
>> To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
>> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:52:50 +0300
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> To us to you with the installing from tarball we would have to know
>> what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't .
>
> OK. I infer from this that there is no deb file and so you have to fart
> around with the tarball.

On the contrary. Here's the sources.list entry:
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org $BRANCH main

Then,
# apt-get update
# apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
# apt-get install acroread

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Michael Fothergill wrote:
>> I suggest you should try this new thing called "Searching the web". It
>> can give you nice links to web pages such as:
>>
>> http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers
>
> I suspect the web doesn't say much about it other than Acrobat exists
> and where you download it.

Don't suspect, read the web page.

-Tom


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>From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>
>To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
>CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:30:00 +0300
>
>Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >> I suggest you should try this new thing called "Searching the web". It
> >> can give you nice links to web pages such as:
> >>
> >> http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers
> >
> > I suspect the web doesn't say much about it other than Acrobat exists
> > and where you download it.
>
>Don't suspect, read the web page.
>
>-Tom

OK, I see there IS a deb file and way to get at it....

Sorry about that one. I am such a fatalist. When I went on the Adobe site
and saw an rpm download and a tarball I took that too mean that Fedora/Red
Hat people can do a relatively simple install and everyone else uses the
tarball.....

I was wrong. As Jesus said in the Bible "O, ye of little faith". I need to
have more faith first and then search the web.

Thanks.

Michael

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I assume that what you really want is Adobe Acrobat Reader (acroread). The
Web page you were given, <http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers>, tells you
where to get it via the Debian package-management system. It also tells
you about several Free alternatives that are in Debian.
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On 07/28/07 13:46, Michael Fothergill wrote:
[snip]
>
> I was wrong. As Jesus said in the Bible "O, ye of little faith". I

Yeshua didn't speak English. But that's a way different topic.

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>From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:23 -0500
>
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>On 07/28/07 13:20, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>
> >> To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
> >> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >> Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
> >> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:52:50 +0300
> >>
> >> Hi Michael,
> >>
> >> To us to you with the installing from tarball we would have to
>know
> >> what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't .
> >
> > OK. I infer from this that there is no deb file and so you have to fart
> > around with the tarball.
>
>On the contrary. Here's the sources.list entry:
>deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org $BRANCH main
>
>Then,
># apt-get update
># apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
># apt-get install acroread

OK, I did all this. It worked OK but it didn't install acroread.... So
then I seached the web and it seemed to say that maybe there isn't a version
of acroread for and AMD64 box (which I am using).

There is some chroot trick that can get the i386 deb file to work.

Perhaps the tarball had no chance after all.

But maybe I still have to little faith and I have been reading old web pages
and there IS an amd64 acroread deb file after all....


Comments appreciated.

Michael





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On 07/28/07 14:33, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
>
>
>> From: Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:23 -0500
>>
> On 07/28/07 13:20, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
>
>
>>> From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>
>>> To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
>>> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>>> Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>>> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:52:50 +0300
>
>>> Hi Michael,
>
>>> To us to you with the installing from tarball we would have to
> know
>>> what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't .
>
>> OK. I infer from this that there is no deb file and so you have to
> fart
>> around with the tarball.
>
> On the contrary. Here's the sources.list entry:
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org $BRANCH main
>
> Then,
> # apt-get update
> # apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
> # apt-get install acroread
>
>> OK, I did all this. It worked OK but it didn't install acroread.... So
>> then I seached the web and it seemed to say that maybe there isn't a
>> version of acroread for and AMD64 box (which I am using).

Hmmm, well, yes, that's a (actually, *the*) problem all right.

>> There is some chroot trick that can get the i386 deb file to work.
>
>> Perhaps the tarball had no chance after all.

A chroot will probably work. You could probably put the Macromedia
Flash player in the same chroot.

There are a plethora of web pages that show you how to set up such a
jail.

>> But maybe I still have to little faith and I have been reading old web
>> pages and there IS an amd64 acroread deb file after all....

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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 05:45:24PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
> I tried installing Adobe Acrobat from a tarball and it doesn't seem to
> work. It was a while ago now so I have forgotten exactly what I did and
> didn't do.
>
> It seems a bit complex because it tries to put it in Iceweasel as plugin or
> something and also as a stand alone program at the same time or
> something.......
>
> I don't remember it being as complex as this in the past.
>
> At a very dumb level is there an acrobat deb file somewhere that would be
> easy to install somewhere in the non free repository....?
>

Hi Michael,

I see you've had quite a discussion already.

What is it about brand-name Acroread that you need? I've never used it;
I use xpdf. If I have any KDE apps installed, I'll use Kpdf. I don't
like gnome apps so don't use evince.

Yes amd64 has a couple of things that don't work because the
closed-source apps aren't compiled for amd64. I have a chroot for a
browser with adobe flash player.

The instructions in the amd64 howto/faq for setting up a chroot worked
reasonably well. I installed schroot so that now its simple to make a
button for icewm that will run the browser in its chroot.

Once you have an ia32 chroot, you can put anything you like into it.

Good luck,

Doug.


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Michael Fothergill writes:
> It worked OK but it didn't install acroread...

Do you actually _need_ acroread? Xpdf isn't good enough?
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>From: Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca>
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....
>Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:47:24 -0400
>
>On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 05:45:24PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >
> > I tried installing Adobe Acrobat from a tarball and it doesn't seem to
> > work. It was a while ago now so I have forgotten exactly what I did and
> > didn't do.
> >
> > It seems a bit complex because it tries to put it in Iceweasel as plugin
>or
> > something and also as a stand alone program at the same time or
> > something.......
> >
> > I don't remember it being as complex as this in the past.
> >
> > At a very dumb level is there an acrobat deb file somewhere that would
>be
> > easy to install somewhere in the non free repository....?
> >
>
>Hi Michael,
>
>I see you've had quite a discussion already.
>
>What is it about brand-name Acroread that you need? I've never used it;
>I use xpdf. If I have any KDE apps installed, I'll use Kpdf. I don't
>like gnome apps so don't use evince.


Well it's rather an unusual thing. I want to file accounts for a UK Limited
company I run. If you have access codes and passwords etc, then you can go
on Companies House web site (http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk) and then you
can submit the accounts on line. They give you a template file to download
that is a pdf file.

It's a bit like the UK equivalent to the Department of Corporations in
California.

You then edit it and put in your accounting information. As far as I can
see you are meant to do this with Adobe Acrobat...........

Then I guess you upload it and submit it.

On Monday, I am going to see an accountant to work on the accounts. We may
end up producing them on paper and posting them to Companies House via snail
mail and not bothering with the web filing.....

But I may try it. If I do it there then I will be doing it in a Windows
type environment where Acrobat will be floating around.... I will then see
more clearly what you are meant to do in this electronic filing and then
figure out the best way to Debianise any trace of non-free OSes or software
out of the process...

I am cringing a little bit about putting my draft pdf template file
downloaded from the web site on the mailing list here as a file attachment
that you could examine because it contains a little private info in it,,,,

But if it would to see if other pdf software could modify it then I
would do it....

In California it costs $900 to register a limited company. In the UK you
can do it for $100 or less. The annual filing fee is £15 on line (I think).
Nicer still would be online filing of accounts (no charge for this) using
a free OS running free software to look at any pdf files and modify
them......

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill




>Yes amd64 has a couple of things that don't work because the
>closed-source apps aren't compiled for amd64. I have a chroot for a
>browser with adobe flash player.
>
>The instructions in the amd64 howto/faq for setting up a chroot worked
>reasonably well. I installed schroot so that now its simple to make a
>button for icewm that will run the browser in its chroot.
>
>Once you have an ia32 chroot, you can put anything you like into it.
>
>Good luck,
>
>Doug.
>
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:57:11 -0500
John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org> wrote:

Hello John,

> Do you actually _need_ acroread? Xpdf isn't good enough?

IIRC, Xpdf doesn't have the ability to do form filling. With acroread,
you can fill out forms (they have to be set up to allow it, of course),
and then print them, already filled in. Obviously, you can't save the
filled out form.

With my cruddy handwriting, I need all the I can get. :-)

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Michael writes:
> If you have access codes and passwords etc, then you can go on Companies
> House web site (http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk) and then you can submit
> the accounts on line. They give you a template file to download that is a
> pdf file.

Have you tried using any of the Free pdf packages?

> You then edit it and put in your accounting information. As far as I can
> see you are meant to do this with Adobe Acrobat...

Adobe Reader is not Adobe Acrobat. The latter is not free.

> In California it costs $900 to register a limited company.

Varies by state. Last time I filed it was $50 in Michigan.
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Brad Rogers <brad@fineby.me.uk>:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:57:11 -0500
> John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org> wrote:
>
> > Do you actually _need_ acroread? Xpdf isn't good enough?
>
> IIRC, Xpdf doesn't have the ability to do form filling. With acroread,
> you can fill out forms (they have to be set up to allow it, of course),
> and then print them, already filled in. Obviously, you can't save the
> filled out form.

OO.o --> Save As ... $(vi ...) ...


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Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>:
> On 07/28/07 13:46, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >
> > I was wrong. As Jesus said in the Bible "O, ye of little faith". I
>
> Yeshua didn't speak English. But that's a way different topic.

You spelt $DEITY wrong. I spell it "Murphy".


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Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>:
> >From: Tommi Asiala <tommi@asiala.info>
> >>Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > >> I suggest you should try this new thing called "Searching the web". It
> > >> can give you nice links to web pages such as:
> > >>
> > >> http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers
> >
> >Don't suspect, read the web page.
>
> OK, I see there IS a deb file and way to get at it....
>
> Sorry about that one. I am such a fatalist. When I went on the Adobe site

Better yet, learn to use the Debian tools:

aptitude search pdf
[LOTS of stuff]

aptitude search pdf | egrep '^i'
i xpdf - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite
i A xpdf-common - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- co
i A xpdf-reader - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- vi
i A xpdf-utils - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- ut

aptitude show xpdf
[lots of juicy details]


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On 7/28/07, s. keeling <keeling@nucleus.com> wrote:
> Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>:
> > On 07/28/07 13:46, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wrong. As Jesus said in the Bible "O, ye of little faith". I
> >
> > Yeshua didn't speak English. But that's a way different topic.
>
> You spelt $DEITY wrong. I spell it "Murphy".

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On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:39:18PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:57:11 -0500
> John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org> wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> > Do you actually _need_ acroread? Xpdf isn't good enough?
>
> IIRC, Xpdf doesn't have the ability to do form filling. With acroread,
> you can fill out forms (they have to be set up to allow it, of course),
> and then print them, already filled in. Obviously, you can't save the
> filled out form.
>
> With my cruddy handwriting, I need all the I can get. :-)

Sounds like a crazy propriatary scheme. Whatever happened to sending
out the Latex of a document. Recipients can latex it to view it, make
changes, get it right, then email the latex back.

As for printing but not saving an altered pdf, can't you print to file
(or get your print spooler to do it) so that you have a ps of the pdf?
Burst the ps pages apart, turn them into eps, encorporate them into your
latex document and away you go.

Adobe just had to reinvent their own wheel, convince everyone else that
it was the only wheel around (so to speak) and make life difficult for
us.

Doug.


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Andrew J. Barr <andrew.james.barr@gmail.com>:
> On 7/28/07, s. keeling <keeling@nucleus.com> wrote:
> > Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>:
> > >
> > > Yeshua didn't speak English. But that's a way different topic.
> >
> > You spelt $DEITY wrong. I spell it "Murphy".
>
> *starts popcorn in the microwave*

Uhhh ...

That means "Your comment contains negative information value, and I'm
going for a walk"? As in, "So, what do you think about goldfish?"

Or what? BTW, I'll readily admit that the "negative information
value" bit is valid. Fair cop.

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s. keeling writes:
> That means "Your comment contains negative information value, and I'm
> going for a walk"? As in, "So, what do you think about goldfish?"

No. It means "A flamewar is about to start and I am going to sit back, eat
popcorn, and watch the show."
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On 07/28/07 16:53, Michael Fothergill wrote:
[snip]
>
>
> Well it's rather an unusual thing. I want to file accounts for a UK
> Limited company I run. If you have access codes and passwords etc, then
> you can go on Companies House web site
> (http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk) and then you can submit the accounts
> on line. They give you a template file to download that is a pdf file.
>
[snip]
>
> Comments appreciated.

Try evince, if you use GNOME or XFce. If that doesn't do forms,
acroread in a chroot may be your only choice.

If the chroot doesn't interfere with sending back the filled-out form...

Good luck.

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