I have a server running Sarge. I tried to find lame and got this:

[root@mainserver:root]$ aptitude show lame
Package: lame
State: not a real package

This was after trying to install it just by the name "lame." Then I did
this:

[root@mainserver:root]$ aptitude search lame
p flamethrower - Multicast file distribution utility
c glame - versatile audio processor
v lame -
p systemimager-server-flamethrowerd - SystemImager boot binaries for
i386 client nodes
p toolame - MPEG-1 layer 2 audio encoder

(Extra spaces removed.)

Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does that
create a conflict with Debian's social contract?

Do I have to go out of the repositories to add lame?

Thanks!

Hal


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Hi Hal,

On 7/26/07, Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> wrote:

I have a server running Sarge. I tried to find lame and got this:
>
> <Snip>
>
> Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does that
> create a conflict with Debian's social contract?
>
> Do I have to go out of the repositories to add lame?
>


Before you can install lame, you have to add this line to your
/etc/apt/sources.list:
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
(you may replace etch by stable of course).

Then do an aptitude update and first install the debian-multimedia-keyring:
aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring

Then aptitude install lame. That's all.

Manon.

Hi Hal,

On 7/26/07, Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> wrote:

I have a server running Sarge. I tried to find lame and got this:
>
> <Snip>
>
> Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does that
> create a conflict with Debian's social contract?
>
> Do I have to go out of the repositories to add lame?
>


Before you can install lame, you have to add this line to your
/etc/apt/sources.list:
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
(you may replace etch by stable of course).

Then do an aptitude update and first install the debian-multimedia-keyring:
aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring

Then aptitude install lame. That's all.

Manon.

On Thursday 26 July 2007, Manon Metten wrote:
> Hi Hal,
>
> On 7/26/07, Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> wrote:
>
> I have a server running Sarge. I tried to find lame and got this:
> > <Snip>
> >
> > Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does that
> > create a conflict with Debian's social contract?
> >
> > Do I have to go out of the repositories to add lame?
>
> Before you can install lame, you have to add this line to your
> /etc/apt/sources.list:
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main
> (you may replace etch by stable of course).
>
> Then do an aptitude update and first install the
> debian-multimedia-keyring: aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring
>
> Then aptitude install lame. That's all.
>
> Manon.

Is this fairly new? I had never had a problem before, but I may not
have been trying to do anything with multimedia on Sarge before.

I tried this, but used the line:

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main

aptitude could not get the Packages file from that source. I checked:

http://www.debian-multimedia.org

and there's a note to use:

deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia sarge main

instead if you're still on Sarge. I've tried that a couple times to be
sure, but aptitude still can't get the Packages file. I downloaded
debian-multimedia-keyring and installed it with dpkg. Then when I did
an update, there was no problem reading the Packages file. From there,
installing lame worked perfectly.

Thanks for the on that!

Hal


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Hal Vaughan wrote:
> Manon Metten wrote:
> > Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > > Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does that
> > > create a conflict with Debian's social contract?

The mp3 encoder is patented outside of the context of the software
license for that particular program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Lic..._patent_issues

> > Before you can install lame, you have to add this line to your
> > /etc/apt/sources.list:
> Is this fairly new? I had never had a problem before, but I may not
> have been trying to do anything with multimedia on Sarge before.

This has been true thoughout the history of Sarge. And Sarge released
June 2005. It has subsequently been replaced with Etch released April
2007. You really should consider upgrading to Etch at least before
Lenny releases. :-)

That depot has been moved around to various places over the last
few years. It seems to be at a permanent home now at
www.debian-multimedia.org.

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Uh, just ignore that other response. I forgot which e-mail was still on
the screen when I hit "reply."

It's just one of those days...

Hal


On Thursday 26 July 2007, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> Thanks, everyone, for the suggestions and offers. I've contacted
> someone who will be swapping routers with me tomorrow. I had several
> other responses, but I didn't want to say anything until I had
> confirmed we could swap.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Hal
>
> On Thursday 26 July 2007, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > I have a server running Sarge. I tried to find lame and got this:
> >
> > [root@mainserver:root]$ aptitude show lame
> > Package: lame
> > State: not a real package
> >
> > This was after trying to install it just by the name "lame." Then
> > I did this:
> >
> > [root@mainserver:root]$ aptitude search lame
> > p flamethrower - Multicast file distribution utility
> > c glame - versatile audio processor
> > v lame -
> > p systemimager-server-flamethrowerd - SystemImager boot binaries
> > for i386 client nodes
> > p toolame - MPEG-1 layer 2 audio encoder
> >
> > (Extra spaces removed.)
> >
> > Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does that
> > create a conflict with Debian's social contract?
> >
> > Do I have to go out of the repositories to add lame?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Hal



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On Thursday 26 July 2007, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > Manon Metten wrote:
> > > Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > > > Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does
> > > > that create a conflict with Debian's social contract?
>
> The mp3 encoder is patented outside of the context of the software
> license for that particular program.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Lic..._patent_issues
>
> > > Before you can install lame, you have to add this line to your
> > > /etc/apt/sources.list:
> >
> > Is this fairly new? I had never had a problem before, but I may
> > not have been trying to do anything with multimedia on Sarge
> > before.
>
> This has been true thoughout the history of Sarge. And Sarge
> released June 2005. It has subsequently been replaced with Etch
> released April 2007. You really should consider upgrading to Etch at
> least before Lenny releases. :-)

I will be upgrading to Etch, but I've been so busy with the aftermath of
a death in the family a few months before Etch went stable and a heavy
programming load for the past 2 months, that I haven't even had time to
check up on what kind of "gotchas" I need to be aware of. I know
there's an issue with MySQL and permissions with an easy work around,
but other than that, I want to have time to check out known issues
before I upgrade a server.

On the other hand, what's the expected release date for Lenny going
Stable? With Etch going Stable in April, I figure I still have another
8 - 9 months before Lenny is stable. :-)

> That depot has been moved around to various places over the last
> few years. It seems to be at a permanent home now at
> www.debian-multimedia.org.

They're saying for Sarge to use one of their mirrors. I guess I can
change that when I upgrade to Etch.

Hal


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Hal Vaughan wrote:
> I know there's an issue with MySQL and permissions with an easy work
> around, but other than that, I want to have time to check out known
> issues before I upgrade a server.

Wise plan. In fact setting up a Sarge machine as a victim for upgrade
testing to Etch is a good idea.

For servers the upgrade for me has gone quite easily. For desktops
the biggest problem has been the name changes for many web browser
plugins and also the movement of GNU FDL licensed documentation into
non-free. This means I have had to add non-free to my sources where
this was not previously needed and also needed to specifically install
many of the now non-free documentation packages that were split out.

> On the other hand, what's the expected release date for Lenny going
> Stable? With Etch going Stable in April, I figure I still have another
> 8 - 9 months before Lenny is stable. :-)

You are an optimist thinking 8-9 months! I think you have plenty of
time well past that. Perhaps I should have said before security
upgrades for Sarge are discontinued. That will almost certainly
happen before Lenny releases. :-)

Bob


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On Thursday 26 July 2007, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > I know there's an issue with MySQL and permissions with an easy
> > work around, but other than that, I want to have time to check out
> > known issues before I upgrade a server.
>
> Wise plan. In fact setting up a Sarge machine as a victim for
> upgrade testing to Etch is a good idea.

That's a possibility. I'd duplicate the list of packages on the server
and test it that way. Of course, I couldn't do a *real* test unless I
made sure all the programs were in use, which would mean a drop in
replacement, which ain't going to happen unless I can replace a mostly
full 300GB RAID (and most of that is my ripped CD collection -- just
got a Squeezebox and installed Slimserver so I could listen to them
outside the office).

> For servers the upgrade for me has gone quite easily. For desktops
> the biggest problem has been the name changes for many web browser
> plugins and also the movement of GNU FDL licensed documentation into
> non-free. This means I have had to add non-free to my sources where
> this was not previously needed and also needed to specifically
> install many of the now non-free documentation packages that were
> split out.

In some ways server management can be much easier than a desktop. I'm
rarely adding anything and once it's stabilized, there's not much that
changes. I'm not worried about docs or anything like that on the
server because I can use them on my workstation, which is Ubuntu
because I like newer versions of eye candy.

> > On the other hand, what's the expected release date for Lenny going
> > Stable? With Etch going Stable in April, I figure I still have
> > another 8 - 9 months before Lenny is stable. :-)
>
> You are an optimist thinking 8-9 months! I think you have plenty of
> time well past that. Perhaps I should have said before security
> upgrades for Sarge are discontinued. That will almost certainly
> happen before Lenny releases. :-)

I said 8-9 months because I was being diplomatic and didn't want to
offend any of the few DDs left on the list! I figure I'll get the main
server, which does file, print, dns, and audio serving (and a few other
things like that) first, since that's less complex and all the services
are easy to replace. The other is my work system, which is also a
development system for the business (I can't afford to do it on 2
separate systems) and that would be a mess if things didn't upgrade
smoothly.

Hal



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Hi Hal,

On 7/26/07, Hal Vaughan <hal@thresholddigital.com> wrote:

On Thursday 26 July 2007, Manon Metten wrote:
>
> I tried this, but used the line:
>
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sarge main
>
> aptitude could not get the Packages file from that source. I checked:
>
> http://www.debian-multimedia.org
>
> and there's a note to use:
>
> deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia sarge main
>
> instead if you're still on Sarge. I've tried that a couple times to be
> sure, but aptitude still can't get the Packages file. I downloaded
> debian-multimedia-keyring and installed it with dpkg. Then when I did
> an update, there was no problem reading the Packages file. From there,
> installing lame worked perfectly.



I'm sorry I referred to etch. I looked up in my logbook how I installed lame
a while ago and in the meantime I totally forgot you were using sarge.

Nevertheless good to know you've managed to install lame.

Don't know if you're interested, but below is the high quality setting I
always use when creating my own mp3's:

lame --clipdetect --vbr-new -V 0 --add-id3v2 -q2 --lowpass 20kHz
--ta "Artist" --tt "Song" --tl "Album" --ty "Year" ifp ofp

Manon.

On Sat July 28 2007 17:29, 2g wrote:
> at their site
> only
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
> is recommended for unstable
> even though they have
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
> and
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
> maybe i should just try but
> afraid of something get broken
>
> someone doing well with
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main

My laptop is running unstable with quite a few packages from d-m. I haven't
had any problems. If you are running sid I would use the unstable branch of
d-m.


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at their site
only
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main
is recommended for unstable
even though they have
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org stable main
and
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main
maybe i should just try but
afraid of something get broken

someone doing well with
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org unstable main
?

tia


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Am 2007-07-26 13:17:25, schrieb Hal Vaughan:
> Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does that
> create a conflict with Debian's social contract?
>

"lame" can not distributed by debian, so you can
find it on <http://www.multimedia-debian.org/>.
(I hope it is right since I do not nose non-free stuff)

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
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Am 2007-07-26 13:17:25, schrieb Hal Vaughan:
> Neither toolame or glame provide lame itself. It's LPGL, does that
> create a conflict with Debian's social contract?
>

"lame" can not distributed by debian, so you can
find it on <http://www.multimedia-debian.org/>.
(I hope it is right since I do not nose non-free stuff)

Thanks, Greetings and nice Day
Michelle Konzack


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