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Serena Cantor wrote:

> I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web
> pages.
>
>
>
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Hi Serena,
I used to be in mainland China so ni hao. You should have a look here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon
and that may give you some . I am unaware of any specific debian
packages for bypassing net censorship but there is free software available.
I don't know if it too is blocked???
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On 06/03/2007 12:37 AM, Serena Cantor wrote:
> I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web pages.
>
>

I believe the software is called either Tor or Torfree.




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On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:37:10PM -0700, Serena Cantor wrote:
> I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web pages.
>
There are anonymizing routers and web servers set up which may allow
users to circumvent government censorship in countries where this is
prevalent. Collaboration with local laws in such countries is an
extremely good idea, particularly if you are a resident alien / dual
national - posting questions like this to a public mailing
list rather than making discreet private enquiries is possibly
inadvisable.

Enjoy your time in the PRC.


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Thanks! Don't worry. I know the government allow what, doesn't allow what. If you post
antigovernment message in popular BBS, or protest before government building, then you'll quickly
run into trouble. I don't believe government have time monitor this list. This list is
high-traffic, but few Chinese join the list, so my message's effect is limited.

My message is in English, further limiting its effect.

You know, Newsweek, Time magazine of English version are publicly sold in big stores of big
Chinese cities.

In private, we Chinese can say anything.


--- "Andrew M.A. Cater" <amacater@galactic.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 02, 2007 at 10:37:10PM -0700, Serena Cantor wrote:
> > I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web pages.
> >
> There are anonymizing routers and web servers set up which may allow
> users to circumvent government censorship in countries where this is
> prevalent. Collaboration with local laws in such countries is an
> extremely good idea, particularly if you are a resident alien / dual
> national - posting questions like this to a public mailing
> list rather than making discreet private enquiries is possibly
> inadvisable.
>
> Enjoy your time in the PRC.
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XieXie(Thanks)!

government block wikipedia, I use google search Psiphon and visit 2 sites of 1st search result
page, both are blocked. Maybe the rest are blocked too.

The page entry is interested:

psiphon.ca/download.php
NOTE: If you live in a country that censors your Internet access, you DO NOT need to download
psiphon. You need to find a psiphonode provider. ...


Hopefully someone can send me the page.


--- Jonathan Kaye <jdkaye10@yahoo.es> wrote:

> Serena Cantor wrote:
>
> > I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web
> > pages.
> >
> >
> >
> __________________________________________________ __________________________________
> > Luggage? GPS? Comic books?
> > Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search
> > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=on...on+gifts&cs=bz
> >
> >
> Hi Serena,
> I used to be in mainland China so ni hao. You should have a look here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psiphon
> and that may give you some . I am unaware of any specific debian
> packages for bypassing net censorship but there is free software available.
> I don't know if it too is blocked???
> Good luck and zai jien,
> Jonathan
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Great! It's tor. It works! Now I can see all pages blocked by government.
I love Mumia W! Thanks!!

--- "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 06/03/2007 12:37 AM, Serena Cantor wrote:
> > I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web pages.
> >
> >
>
> I believe the software is called either Tor or Torfree.
>
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Serena Cantor <qipaishi2006@yahoo.com>:
> > On 06/03/2007 12:37 AM, Serena Cantor wrote:
> > > I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web pages.
> >
> > I believe the software is called either Tor or Torfree.
>
> Great! It's tor. It works! Now I can see all pages blocked by government.
> I love Mumia W! Thanks!!

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* Serena Cantor <qipaishi2006@yahoo.com> [2007-06-03 03:09:33 -0700]:

> Thanks! Don't worry. I know the government allow what, doesn't allow what. If you post
> antigovernment message in popular BBS, or protest before government building, then you'll quickly
> run into trouble. I don't believe government have time monitor this list. This list is
> high-traffic, but few Chinese join the list, so my message's effect is limited.

>From what I understand about the Great Firewall, you should be advised
that the government searches traffic based on keywords in plain text
traffic, DNS lookups, and the like. The government may or may not have
the time to monitor this list, but it's better to be safe than sorry.

Computers do these searches, not people.

There are a lot of anonymizing tools out there, but they are only as
effective as the user. Please take the time to thoroughly read the
documentation that comes with Tor and Privoxy, then do a solid
implementation. Also, be sure you are taking other steps to ensure your
privacy as well.

Regards,
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On Sun, Jun 03, 2007 at 10:26:23PM -0500, Klein Moebius wrote:
> * Serena Cantor <qipaishi2006@yahoo.com> [2007-06-03 03:09:33 -0700]:
>
> > Thanks! Don't worry. I know the government allow what, doesn't allow what. If you post
> > antigovernment message in popular BBS, or protest before government building, then you'll quickly
> > run into trouble. I don't believe government have time monitor this list. This list is
> > high-traffic, but few Chinese join the list, so my message's effect is limited.
>
> >From what I understand about the Great Firewall, you should be advised
> that the government searches traffic based on keywords in plain text
> traffic, DNS lookups, and the like. The government may or may not have
> the time to monitor this list, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
>
> Computers do these searches, not people.
Which is a good reason to use odd word spacing, mis-spelled words or
other forms to confuse computers: eg. \/ia9ra spelllling. Have you seen
the site called 'http://icanhascheezburger.com/' It uses a kind of
made-up language that any computer couldnt understand.
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Chinese police has most advanced filter technology in the world.

but I believe police don't think this list is worth of monitoring because there are too few
Chinese here.

Even if police find out what I do here (this is very very unlikely), I don't believe I'll be
punished. I just get some dangerous info. What worry police is sending dangerous info to a lot of
Chinese people.



--- Klein Moebius <klein.moebius@gmail.com> wrote:

> * Serena Cantor <qipaishi2006@yahoo.com> [2007-06-03 03:09:33 -0700]:
>
> > Thanks! Don't worry. I know the government allow what, doesn't allow what. If you post
> > antigovernment message in popular BBS, or protest before government building, then you'll
> quickly
> > run into trouble. I don't believe government have time monitor this list. This list is
> > high-traffic, but few Chinese join the list, so my message's effect is limited.
>
> >From what I understand about the Great Firewall, you should be advised
> that the government searches traffic based on keywords in plain text
> traffic, DNS lookups, and the like. The government may or may not have
> the time to monitor this list, but it's better to be safe than sorry.
>
> Computers do these searches, not people.
>
> There are a lot of anonymizing tools out there, but they are only as
> effective as the user. Please take the time to thoroughly read the
> documentation that comes with Tor and Privoxy, then do a solid
> implementation. Also, be sure you are taking other steps to ensure your
> privacy as well.
>
> Regards,
> Klein
>
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 01:41:38 -0500
"Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On 06/03/2007 12:37 AM, Serena Cantor wrote:
> > I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web pages.
> >
> >
>
> I believe the software is called either Tor or Torfree.

I've often wondered how Tor could really be effective at thwarting
censorship attempts by a government such as China's. Tor needs access
to Tor servers, a list of which are publicly available, as they must
be, or else one's local Tor client wouldn't be able to find them. It
would therefore seem trivial for an interested government to simply
block them at its firewall. I suppose a secret list of Tor entry
points could be maintained, but that would hugely complicate Tor usage.

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On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:55:12AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> "Mumia W.." <paduille.4061.mumia.w+nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > On 06/03/2007 12:37 AM, Serena Cantor wrote:
> > > I'm in mainland China. The government block some Web sites and some Web pages.
> >
> > I believe the software is called either Tor or Torfree.
>
> I've often wondered how Tor could really be effective at thwarting
> censorship attempts by a government such as China's. Tor needs access
> to Tor servers, a list of which are publicly available, as they must
> be, or else one's local Tor client wouldn't be able to find them. It
> would therefore seem trivial for an interested government to simply
> block them at its firewall. I suppose a secret list of Tor entry
> points could be maintained, but that would hugely complicate Tor usage.
>

Worse, why wouldn't China clone the Tor server and redirect the Tor client
to it? The individual would smugly do what they want and the Gov't
would know exactly what they had done.

Doug.


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