it would be useful to be able to copy files onto ntfs external hds. (i
like reiser 4, but lets not get into alternatives)

I know about captive and have never got it to work. Fuse seems new, and
somehow related. I read a review which showed excellent stats, but it's
just a review.

now captive is a wrapper, and thus reliable. fuse seems to be something
else. ntfs-3g seems related to fuse, and sounds neat.

apart from captive, i don't get how these work at all. because most
people don't care, explanations are hard to find. I'm not happy using
things i don't understand (so linux is a bit uncomfortable atm). If i
don't know how it works, how can i trust it?


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somethin2cool wrote:
> it would be useful to be able to copy files onto ntfs external hds. (i
> like reiser 4, but lets not get into alternatives)
>
> I know about captive and have never got it to work. Fuse seems new, and
> somehow related. I read a review which showed excellent stats, but it's
> just a review.
>
> now captive is a wrapper, and thus reliable. fuse seems to be something
> else. ntfs-3g seems related to fuse, and sounds neat.
>
> apart from captive, i don't get how these work at all. because most
> people don't care, explanations are hard to find. I'm not happy using
> things i don't understand (so linux is a bit uncomfortable atm). If i
> don't know how it works, how can i trust it?
>
>

Answer to this one: ntfs-3g. It works. But, never trust anything to
work with an undocumented file system. Frequent backups are a good idea.

Reformatting the ntfs drive is a better idea, but your Windows might
complain

Joe

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> Answer to this one: ntfs-3g. It works. But, never trust anything to
> work with an undocumented file system. Frequent backups are a good idea.
>
> Reformatting the ntfs drive is a better idea, but your Windows might
> complain
>
> Joe
>

Good advice, but a good tool to have around nonetheless.

You wouldn't advise captive since it controls the official driver?

Thanks


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somethin2cool wrote:
>
>> Answer to this one: ntfs-3g. It works. But, never trust anything to
>> work with an undocumented file system. Frequent backups are a good idea.
>>
>> Reformatting the ntfs drive is a better idea, but your Windows might
>> complain
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
> Good advice, but a good tool to have around nonetheless.
>
> You wouldn't advise captive since it controls the official driver?
>
> Thanks
>
>

Well, I don't use ntfs, but I used to, and I know the ntfs-3g works and
the captive is not recommended by people much more familiar with it than
myself for writing. It works fine reading.

Back when I still had windows, I created a fat32 partition and used that
to share, but since then I have reclaimed the space that Windows was
using and changed it so that Windows runs in a VM so I can still access
windows programs if I have to, but no longer have to reboot to do it.
Now I can just run Windows in a Window. I use Virtual Box for that.

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somethin2cool wrote:
[snip]
> Back when I still had windows, I created a fat32 partition and used that
> to share, but since then I have reclaimed the space that Windows was
> using and changed it so that Windows runs in a VM so I can still access
> windows programs if I have to, but no longer have to reboot to do it.
> Now I can just run Windows in a Window. I use Virtual Box for that.
>
> Joe
>
>>
>>

> That sounds like where I'm heading. I have a FAT32 partition for the
> interim, but my target is not just for my own data storage, but to be
> able to use other hdd's that are connected as slaves in the future. For
> that I need a reliable NTFS write driver.

> My understanding of attitudes toward Captive is that it follows the
> lines of "we hate it because it just wraps a microsoft driver and is
> thus evil. it should have been written from scratch". Something which I
> am not concerned about. And logically speaking, this idea ought to be
> the most reliable.

> I will look into both and post my findings (assuming i get them working)

That sounds like a very good idea. The whole point is choice. Choose
the package(s) that you like best and use them. That is why there are
so many to choose from.

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On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 14:43 +0200, Joe Hart wrote:
> somethin2cool wrote:
> > it would be useful to be able to copy files onto ntfs external hds. (i
> > like reiser 4, but lets not get into alternatives)
> >
> > I know about captive and have never got it to work. Fuse seems new, and
> > somehow related. I read a review which showed excellent stats, but it's
> > just a review.
> >
> > now captive is a wrapper, and thus reliable. fuse seems to be something
> > else. ntfs-3g seems related to fuse, and sounds neat.
> >
> > apart from captive, i don't get how these work at all. because most
> > people don't care, explanations are hard to find. I'm not happy using
> > things i don't understand (so linux is a bit uncomfortable atm). If i
> > don't know how it works, how can i trust it?
> >
> >
>
> Answer to this one: ntfs-3g. It works. But, never trust anything to
> work with an undocumented file system. Frequent backups are a good idea.
>
> Reformatting the ntfs drive is a better idea, but your Windows might
> complain

Here is my "what used to be dual boot" machines /etc/fstab entry:

/dev/hdg1 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults,user,force 0 3

It mounts auto-magically at boot (even though it (being Windows) doesn't
boot anymore)

Recently went to v1.417 (in Sid/Unstable), just plain works, of course
until it doesn't.
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Joe Hart wrote:
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> somethin2cool wrote:
>>> Answer to this one: ntfs-3g. It works. But, never trust anything to
>>> work with an undocumented file system. Frequent backups are a good idea.
>>>
>>> Reformatting the ntfs drive is a better idea, but your Windows might
>>> complain
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>> Good advice, but a good tool to have around nonetheless.
>>
>> You wouldn't advise captive since it controls the official driver?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>
> Well, I don't use ntfs, but I used to, and I know the ntfs-3g works and
> the captive is not recommended by people much more familiar with it than
> myself for writing. It works fine reading.
>
> Back when I still had windows, I created a fat32 partition and used that
> to share, but since then I have reclaimed the space that Windows was
> using and changed it so that Windows runs in a VM so I can still access
> windows programs if I have to, but no longer have to reboot to do it.
> Now I can just run Windows in a Window. I use Virtual Box for that.
>
> Joe
>
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That sounds like where I'm heading. I have a FAT32 partition for the
interim, but my target is not just for my own data storage, but to be
able to use other hdd's that are connected as slaves in the future. For
that I need a reliable NTFS write driver.

My understanding of attitudes toward Captive is that it follows the
lines of "we hate it because it just wraps a microsoft driver and is
thus evil. it should have been written from scratch". Something which I
am not concerned about. And logically speaking, this idea ought to be
the most reliable.

I will look into both and post my findings (assuming i get them working)


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somethin2cool wrote:
> Joe Hart wrote:
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>> somethin2cool wrote:
>>>> Answer to this one: ntfs-3g. It works. But, never trust anything to
>>>> work with an undocumented file system. Frequent backups are a good
>>>> idea.
>>>>
>>>> Reformatting the ntfs drive is a better idea, but your Windows might
>>>> complain
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>> Good advice, but a good tool to have around nonetheless.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't advise captive since it controls the official driver?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, I don't use ntfs, but I used to, and I know the ntfs-3g works and
>> the captive is not recommended by people much more familiar with it than
>> myself for writing. It works fine reading.
>>
>> Back when I still had windows, I created a fat32 partition and used that
>> to share, but since then I have reclaimed the space that Windows was
>> using and changed it so that Windows runs in a VM so I can still access
>> windows programs if I have to, but no longer have to reboot to do it.
>> Now I can just run Windows in a Window. I use Virtual Box for that.
>>
>> Joe
>>
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>
> That sounds like where I'm heading. I have a FAT32 partition for the
> interim, but my target is not just for my own data storage, but to be
> able to use other hdd's that are connected as slaves in the future.
> For that I need a reliable NTFS write driver.
>
> My understanding of attitudes toward Captive is that it follows the
> lines of "we hate it because it just wraps a microsoft driver and is
> thus evil. it should have been written from scratch". Something which
> I am not concerned about. And logically speaking, this idea ought to
> be the most reliable.
>
> I will look into both and post my findings (assuming i get them working)
>
>
I have a lot of files left over from my Windows days that are stored on
ntfs partitions and I have found ntfs-3g to be really reliable. I never
could get captive to work nearly as reliably as I have ntfs-3g. It's
basically just install and go.


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On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 05:55:45PM +0100, somethin2cool wrote:

> My understanding of attitudes toward Captive is that it follows the
> lines of "we hate it because it just wraps a microsoft driver and is
> thus evil. it should have been written from scratch". Something which I
> am not concerned about. And logically speaking, this idea ought to be
> the most reliable.

AFAIK samba is more reliable then MS's implementation. I wonder why is
that

Regards,
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On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 03:01:03PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote:

> Well, I don't use ntfs, but I used to, and I know the ntfs-3g works and
> the captive is not recommended by people much more familiar with it than
> myself for writing. It works fine reading.

The ntfs kernel driver works very good for reading, why use captive?

Regards,
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