On 4/28/07, P Kapat <kap4lin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I googled around a little bit, and did some simple mailing-replying
> actions.. It seems like gmail uses "subject" for threading the
> conversations. Kmail uses something else (i guess, In-Reply-To). Not
> just that, when you change the subject line when replying to a
> thread/conversation using gmail, it "removes" the In-Reply-To header;
> as a consequence any MUA ( i think) will get that messsage wrongly
> threaded. So, to me it seems like a problem with gmail's mailing
> system rather than MUA at the reading end... To prove the point
> (hopefully!), my next mail on this thread (using gmail) will have a
> modified subject line, check if the In-Reply-To header is removed, or
> whether it is threaded in a proper way with whichever MUA you use at
> your end..

OK, heres I am "replying" to my own mail from gmail, after editing the
subject line...


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On Saturday 28 April 2007 12:46:48 am Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:52:26AM -0400, P Kapat wrote:
> > On 4/28/07, P Kapat <kap4lin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >I googled around a little bit, and did some simple mailing-replying
> > >actions.. It seems like gmail uses "subject" for threading the
> > >conversations. Kmail uses something else (i guess, In-Reply-To). Not
> > >just that, when you change the subject line when replying to a
> > >thread/conversation using gmail, it "removes" the In-Reply-To header;
> > >as a consequence any MUA ( i think) will get that messsage wrongly
> > >threaded. So, to me it seems like a problem with gmail's mailing
> > >system rather than MUA at the reading end... To prove the point
> > >(hopefully!), my next mail on this thread (using gmail) will have a
> > >modified subject line, check if the In-Reply-To header is removed, or
> > >whether it is threaded in a proper way with whichever MUA you use at
> > >your end..
> >
> > OK, heres I am "replying" to my own mail from gmail, after editing the
> > subject line...
>
> indeed the threading is broken here in mutt. And you're right, the
> In-Reply-To header is gone. looks like gmail is broken there.
>
> A

This might be getting out of hand and a futile exercise in the end. But one
last time, let me add a modification...

This mail, with re-edited subject is being sent from Kmail using
smtp.gmail.com pop server. I am hoping that the In-Reply-To header will
remain with the mail and a "decent" MUA (like KMail, mutt, Evolution, ...)
will be able to thread it properly (ie, not a new thread). But those of you
who are reading it using gmail will see this as a "new thread/conversation".

No more mails on this issue from my side. I will have broken my own agenda
twice now!!

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On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 01:59:44AM -0400, P Kapat wrote:
> On Saturday 28 April 2007 12:46:48 am Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:52:26AM -0400, P Kapat wrote:
> > > On 4/28/07, P Kapat <kap4lin@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >I googled around a little bit, and did some simple mailing-replying
> > > >actions.. It seems like gmail uses "subject" for threading the
> > > >conversations. Kmail uses something else (i guess, In-Reply-To). Not
> > > >just that, when you change the subject line when replying to a
> > > >thread/conversation using gmail, it "removes" the In-Reply-To header;
> > > >as a consequence any MUA ( i think) will get that messsage wrongly
> > > >threaded. So, to me it seems like a problem with gmail's mailing
> > > >system rather than MUA at the reading end... To prove the point
> > > >(hopefully!), my next mail on this thread (using gmail) will have a
> > > >modified subject line, check if the In-Reply-To header is removed, or
> > > >whether it is threaded in a proper way with whichever MUA you use at
> > > >your end..
> > >
> > > OK, heres I am "replying" to my own mail from gmail, after editing the
> > > subject line...
> >
> > indeed the threading is broken here in mutt. And you're right, the
> > In-Reply-To header is gone. looks like gmail is broken there.
> >
> > A
>
> This might be getting out of hand and a futile exercise in the end. But one
> last time, let me add a modification...
>
> This mail, with re-edited subject is being sent from Kmail using
> smtp.gmail.com pop server. I am hoping that the In-Reply-To header will
> remain with the mail and a "decent" MUA (like KMail, mutt, Evolution, ...)
> will be able to thread it properly (ie, not a new thread). But those of you
> who are reading it using gmail will see this as a "new thread/conversation".

works in mutt here. In-Reply-To is intact and matches the message-id
from the previous.

A

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P Kapat wrote:
> On Saturday 28 April 2007 12:46:48 am Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2007 at 12:52:26AM -0400, P Kapat wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/28/07, P Kapat <kap4lin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I googled around a little bit, and did some simple mailing-replying
>>>> actions.. It seems like gmail uses "subject" for threading the
>>>> conversations. Kmail uses something else (i guess, In-Reply-To). Not
>>>> just that, when you change the subject line when replying to a
>>>> thread/conversation using gmail, it "removes" the In-Reply-To header;
>>>> as a consequence any MUA ( i think) will get that messsage wrongly
>>>> threaded. So, to me it seems like a problem with gmail's mailing
>>>> system rather than MUA at the reading end... To prove the point
>>>> (hopefully!), my next mail on this thread (using gmail) will have a
>>>> modified subject line, check if the In-Reply-To header is removed, or
>>>> whether it is threaded in a proper way with whichever MUA you use at
>>>> your end..
>>>>
>>> OK, heres I am "replying" to my own mail from gmail, after editing the
>>> subject line...
>>>
>> indeed the threading is broken here in mutt. And you're right, the
>> In-Reply-To header is gone. looks like gmail is broken there.
>>
>> A
>>
>
> This might be getting out of hand and a futile exercise in the end. But one
> last time, let me add a modification...
>
> This mail, with re-edited subject is being sent from Kmail using
> smtp.gmail.com pop server. I am hoping that the In-Reply-To header will
> remain with the mail and a "decent" MUA (like KMail, mutt, Evolution, ...)
> will be able to thread it properly (ie, not a new thread). But those of you
> who are reading it using gmail will see this as a "new thread/conversation".
>
> No more mails on this issue from my side. I will have broken my own agenda
> twice now!!
>

This time by Icedove and sent using my ISPs SMTP server.
Your threading worked fine from here tho, so this looks like 2 threads,
anyone using outshite express care to test?

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Am 2007-04-28 00:52:26, schrieb P Kapat:
> OK, heres I am "replying" to my own mail from gmail, after editing the
> subject line...

This is NORMAL if you edit a Mesage in "gmail".

You should only hit "Reply" and THEN edit the Subject.

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On 5/2/07, Michelle Konzack <linux4michelle@freenet.de> wrote:
> Am 2007-04-28 00:52:26, schrieb P Kapat:
> > OK, heres I am "replying" to my own mail from gmail, after editing the
> > subject line...
>
> This is NORMAL if you edit a Mesage in "gmail".
>
> You should only hit "Reply" and THEN edit the Subject.

What other option did you have in mind? When I said, "replying" I
thought I made it clear that I was indeed hitting the "Reply" button
to reply... or was it not obvoius? I hope you are not suggesting that
started a new message by hitting the "Compose Mail" link/button and
then using the same (or edited) subject line... are you?

Btw, in whatever MUA you use, do you see this thread as well as the
orginal thread with the subject line "edit the subject line of a
thread" in the same thread? If so, what MUA are you using?

Following (demarckated between the astrieks ***) is the full text (as
seen from gmail; viz, hitting the "down arrow" button near the "Reply"
button on top right-hand corner of the mesage and choosing the "Show
original" option from the dropdown menu). None of the headers are
useful to thread this message with the original one...
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On 4/28/07, P Kapat <kap4lin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I googled around a little bit, and did some simple mailing-replying
> actions.. It seems like gmail uses "subject" for threading the
> conversations. Kmail uses something else (i guess, In-Reply-To). Not
> just that, when you change the subject line when replying to a
> thread/conversation using gmail, it "removes" the In-Reply-To header;
> as a consequence any MUA ( i think) will get that messsage wrongly
> threaded. So, to me it seems like a problem with gmail's mailing
> system rather than MUA at the reading end... To prove the point
> (hopefully!), my next mail on this thread (using gmail) will have a
> modified subject line, check if the In-Reply-To header is removed, or
> whether it is threaded in a proper way with whichever MUA you use at
> your end..

OK, heres I am "replying" to my own mail from gmail, after editing the
subject line...
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