I have noticed that for the last few days I have not been getting
software update notifications via the update manager. Is this because
Etch has been made stable?

Thanks

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andy wrote:
> I have noticed that for the last few days I have not been getting
> software update notifications via the update manager. Is this because
> Etch has been made stable?
>
> Thanks
>
> /@
>
yes,

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andy wrote:
> I have noticed that for the last few days I have not been getting
> software update notifications via the update manager. Is this because
> Etch has been made stable?
>
> Thanks
>
> /@
>

You really should be specific to which version you're running. If
you're running Sarge, you won't be getting many updates, if you're
running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny (which
is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet) then you will
get quite a few, and if you run Sid, then you will get even more. But
the majority of the updates won't hit until Friday.

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Joe Hart writes:
> if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
> (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)

Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
Etch at the moment.
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John Hasler wrote:
> Joe Hart writes:
>
>> if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
>> (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
>>
>
> Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
> Etch at the moment.
>
Thanks steef, Joe & John for the response.

If I wanted to remain current (w/out being bleeding-edge ala Sid), would
I now be adjusting my apt-sources-list to look for "testing" rather than
"etch" as they do now?

How risky is this on a workstation/desktop-&-music-&-Net box?

Thanks

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andy on 11/04/07 20:12, wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>> Joe Hart writes:
>>
>>> if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
>>> (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
>>>
>>
>> Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
>> Etch at the moment.
>>
> Thanks steef, Joe & John for the response.
>
> If I wanted to remain current (w/out being bleeding-edge ala Sid), would
> I now be adjusting my apt-sources-list to look for "testing" rather than
> "etch" as they do now?
>
> How risky is this on a workstation/desktop-&-music-&-Net box?

It depends how often you are going to do an across-the-board upgrade of all your
packages to stay current, and I guess it depends alot on knowing what you are
doing. I guess if you have to ask, you will end up learning alot!

That's what happened to me. I stayed with etch through about 18 months of
testing and found every 3 months I would encounter some mind-bending problem
concerning things I never knew existed. Would spend an hour or a day sorting it
out with from this list and elsewhere.

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Adam Hardy wrote:
> andy on 11/04/07 20:12, wrote:
>> John Hasler wrote:
>>> Joe Hart writes:
>>>
>>>> if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running
>>>> Lenny
>>>> (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
>>> Etch at the moment.
>>>
>> Thanks steef, Joe & John for the response.
>>
>> If I wanted to remain current (w/out being bleeding-edge ala Sid),
>> would I now be adjusting my apt-sources-list to look for "testing"
>> rather than "etch" as they do now?
>>
>> How risky is this on a workstation/desktop-&-music-&-Net box?
>
> It depends how often you are going to do an across-the-board upgrade
> of all your packages to stay current, and I guess it depends alot on
> knowing what you are doing. I guess if you have to ask, you will end
> up learning alot!
>
> That's what happened to me. I stayed with etch through about 18 months
> of testing and found every 3 months I would encounter some
> mind-bending problem concerning things I never knew existed. Would
> spend an hour or a day sorting it out with from this list and
> elsewhere.
>
> Adam
>
Adam, your response was quite provocative!

While I am fascinated by computers and have enjoyed my forays into
programming and networking I cannot claim to be anything more than a
user who would prefer a trouble-free computing experience, but isn't
afraid about getting my hands dirty if need's be. So, on this basis, and
noting that I have my trusty update manager doing all of the nitty
gritty for me, what am I realistically looking at if I adapt my
sources-list to "testing" (as they had been prior to Etch becoming Etch)?

The plot thickens ...

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On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 20:45 +0100, andy wrote:
> Adam, your response was quite provocative!
>
> While I am fascinated by computers and have enjoyed my forays into
> programming and networking I cannot claim to be anything more than a
> user who would prefer a trouble-free computing experience, but isn't
> afraid about getting my hands dirty if need's be. So, on this basis, and
> noting that I have my trusty update manager doing all of the nitty
> gritty for me, what am I realistically looking at if I adapt my
> sources-list to "testing" (as they had been prior to Etch becoming Etch)?
>
> The plot thickens ...

As long as an important resource you need isn't at "valhalla.org", I
think you should be fine.

Sorry, I should have, couldn't resist.
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andy on 11/04/07 20:45, wrote:
> Adam Hardy wrote:
>> andy on 11/04/07 20:12, wrote:
>>> John Hasler wrote:
>>> If I wanted to remain current (w/out being bleeding-edge ala Sid),
>>> would I now be adjusting my apt-sources-list to look for "testing"
>>> rather than "etch" as they do now?
>>>
>>> How risky is this on a workstation/desktop-&-music-&-Net box?
>>
>> It depends how often you are going to do an across-the-board upgrade
>> of all your packages to stay current, and I guess it depends alot on
>> knowing what you are doing. I guess if you have to ask, you will end
>> up learning alot!
>>
>> That's what happened to me. I stayed with etch through about 18 months
>> of testing and found every 3 months I would encounter some
>> mind-bending problem concerning things I never knew existed. Would
>> spend an hour or a day sorting it out with from this list and
>> elsewhere.
>>
> Adam, your response was quite provocative!
>
> While I am fascinated by computers and have enjoyed my forays into
> programming and networking I cannot claim to be anything more than a
> user who would prefer a trouble-free computing experience, but isn't
> afraid about getting my hands dirty if need's be. So, on this basis, and
> noting that I have my trusty update manager doing all of the nitty
> gritty for me, what am I realistically looking at if I adapt my
> sources-list to "testing" (as they had been prior to Etch becoming Etch)?
>
> The plot thickens ...

Provocative? Not in a negative sense, I hope.

The issues that I ran into were all undoubtedly something that a debian guru
would not have had to deal with - I'm sure all the warning signs were there but
I just chose to ignore them or didn't recognise them.

Since it happened on average every 3 months and I only had testing for 18, I
guess that means it only happened 6 times in all.

It wasn't always the same thing, but one example that I remember was with udev.
I accidentally allowed a package to overwrite a config file which I had edited,
and I didn't see it happening.

So a couple of things wouldn't work anymore, but it was no great disaster, in
fact I didn't even realise straight away, which made the diagnosis of the
problem harder. It was because the config I used to have was gone, and I had
forgotten the details, since it was a couple of months since I had put in the
necessary config first time around.

I guess the moral of the story is, keep notes on all the changes you make, and
preferably, devote a bit of time to it.

I needed testing then for the new udev stuff which make it much easier to synch
my Palm, so I guess it was worth it.

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Joe Hart writes:
> > if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
> > (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
>
> Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
> Etch at the moment.

I've got a quick question, I'm wondering if I'm the only one: For some
reason my /etc/debian_version says I'm running "lenny/sid", I'm hoping
this is only temporary though?

Not that I care what my version is called, but I'm just wondering. I
haven't been around long enough for a version upgrade yet.

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > Joe Hart writes:
> > > if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
> > > (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
> >
> > Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
> > Etch at the moment.
>
> I've got a quick question, I'm wondering if I'm the only one: For some
> reason my /etc/debian_version says I'm running "lenny/sid", I'm hoping
> this is only temporary though?
>
> Not that I care what my version is called, but I'm just wondering. I
> haven't been around long enough for a version upgrade yet.

My Etch box (installed when etch was still testing) says 4.0.

How did you end up with lenny/sid?

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On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > > Joe Hart writes:
> > > > if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
> > > > (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
> > >
> > > Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
> > > Etch at the moment.
> >
> > I've got a quick question, I'm wondering if I'm the only one: For some
> > reason my /etc/debian_version says I'm running "lenny/sid", I'm hoping
> > this is only temporary though?
> >
> > Not that I care what my version is called, but I'm just wondering. I
> > haven't been around long enough for a version upgrade yet.
>
> My Etch box (installed when etch was still testing) says 4.0.
>
> How did you end up with lenny/sid?
>
> Doug
>
>

No idea, all I have is testing in my sources.list


[pobega]$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386
# NETINST Binary-1 20070107-08:41]/ etch contrib main

> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
> deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
>
> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main

And I haven't touched unstable anytime recently. Is it safe to just edit
/etc/issue and /etc/debian_version by hand, or are they for more than
show?

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On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 23:07 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
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> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Joe Hart writes:
> > > > > if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
> > > > > (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
> > > >
> > > > Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
> > > > Etch at the moment.
> > >
> > > I've got a quick question, I'm wondering if I'm the only one: For some
> > > reason my /etc/debian_version says I'm running "lenny/sid", I'm hoping
> > > this is only temporary though?
> > >
> > > Not that I care what my version is called, but I'm just wondering. I
> > > haven't been around long enough for a version upgrade yet.
> >
> > My Etch box (installed when etch was still testing) says 4.0.
> >
> > How did you end up with lenny/sid?
> >
> > Doug
> >
> >
>
> No idea, all I have is testing in my sources.list
>
>
> [pobega]$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386
> # NETINST Binary-1 20070107-08:41]/ etch contrib main
>
> > deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
> > deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
> >
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
> > deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
>
> And I haven't touched unstable anytime recently. Is it safe to just edit
> /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version by hand, or are they for more than
> show?

Then you are running Lenny.
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On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 11:07:39PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Joe Hart writes:
> > > > > if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
> > > > > (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
> > > >
> > > > Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
> > > > Etch at the moment.
> > >
> > > I've got a quick question, I'm wondering if I'm the only one: For some
> > > reason my /etc/debian_version says I'm running "lenny/sid", I'm hoping
> > > this is only temporary though?
> > >

Can we say OOPS.

With sources list pointing to testing, when Etch went stable, you
carried on into Lenny. If you want stable, that's downgrading.
Officially not supported but I don't know if anything in Lenny has
changed yet. If you really want etch, hopefully someone on the list who
has done it can guide you into getting reEtched.

Good luck.

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> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe Hart writes:
>>>>
>>>>> if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
>>>>> (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
>>>>>
>>>> Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
>>>> Etch at the moment.
>>>>
>>> I've got a quick question, I'm wondering if I'm the only one: For some
>>> reason my /etc/debian_version says I'm running "lenny/sid", I'm hoping
>>> this is only temporary though?
>>>
>>> Not that I care what my version is called, but I'm just wondering. I
>>> haven't been around long enough for a version upgrade yet.
>>>
>> My Etch box (installed when etch was still testing) says 4.0.
>>
>> How did you end up with lenny/sid?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>
> No idea, all I have is testing in my sources.list
>
>
> [pobega]$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
> # deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386
> # NETINST Binary-1 20070107-08:41]/ etch contrib main
>
>
>> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
>> deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ testing main
>>
>> deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
>> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main
>>
>
> And I haven't touched unstable anytime recently. Is it safe to just edit
> /etc/issue and /etc/debian_version by hand, or are they for more than
> show?
>
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So, for the benefit of this newbie:

If I change my sources list to reflect "testing" rather than "etch",
will my system just automagically continue to upgrade itself? Will this
system - as it upgrades to Lenny - remain stable enough for daily use?

What do others on this list do?

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On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 07:14 +0100, andy wrote:
> So, for the benefit of this newbie:
>
> If I change my sources list to reflect "testing" rather than "etch",
> will my system just automagically continue to upgrade itself?

Yes. Just fine. There will be heartache from time to time, but it is
*TESTING* and not stable,

> Will this system - as it upgrades to Lenny - remain stable enough for
> daily use?

Yes and no. Yes when it is working, no when it is not. But since there
are so many apps with duplicate functions, just use on of those for a
bit. You might discover something you didn;t know.

> What do others on this list do?

I roll along with Sid daily. Sure it breaks once in a while, but you
just go along and fix it. Or maybe the next day it auto-magically gets
fixed.

Personally, I've run Sid for ages. Even on most of my servers. Not all
of them... just most.
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andy wrote:
> Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[snip]
>>>>>>> if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
>>>>>>> (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
>>>>>> Etch at the moment.
>>>>>>
Oops, well it wasn't showing up on my mirror when I wrote that. Hence
the AFAIK.

[snip
> So, for the benefit of this newbie:

> If I change my sources list to reflect "testing" rather than "etch",
> will my system just automagically continue to upgrade itself? Will this
> system - as it upgrades to Lenny - remain stable enough for daily use?

For the record: If one keeps "testing" in their sources.list, then it
will always be the testing that they run. While Sarge was stable,
"testing" was Etch. Now that Etch is stable, "testing" is Lenny, when
Lenny is stable, "testing" will be whatever comes next.

> What do others on this list do?

Whatever they want Seriously, this list has many people who run Sid,
many more who run Lenny, and quite a few that run Etch. Some even
continue to run Sarge or Woody. I would hazard a guess that many people
on this list don't even run Debian, but are interested in it.

Remember, above all else, your computer is yours and you decide what you
do with it, not anyone else. Your company's computer is another matter
and you may be forced to use operating systems that are not to your
liking/ This is an unfortunate side of reality. However, one can
always quit.

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On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 07:14:00AM +0100, andy wrote:

> So, for the benefit of this newbie:
>
> If I change my sources list to reflect "testing" rather than "etch",
> will my system just automagically continue to upgrade itself? Will this
> system - as it upgrades to Lenny - remain stable enough for daily use?
>
Yes - if you change it to either of lenny or testing - it will continue
to upgrade itself. Because we released last Sunday, stable == testing
at the moment, more or less - there hasn't been enough time for changes
to start percolating down.

The next couple of months is likely to see significant changes in
testing simply because:

There's stuff that didn't make the cut for Etch release date.

There's stuff in unstable that's been held up because people have not
wanted to transition it to testing so that it didn't go into Etch
inadvertently.

People who've been concentrating on the freeze/release will now be able
to go back to more active development.

This may mean that, initially, stuff will break more readily / more
often as large changes work their way through, If you can ride the
initial wave of change at the moment then you can stay on testing more
or less forever.

There's a sweet spot: for the three months prior to release, I was
suggesting that people doing new installs might want to
install testing/etch now because it will release "Real Soon Now" and
that way you spare the pain of a huge upgrade as the transition happens.

Similarly, there's a rough spot for testing immediately after a stable
release: then the curve flattens down over a period of months or years
with less and less major change and more and more stability until next
stable. Unstable doesn't have this curve - but, for me at least, it
doesn't often break.

Last week, I had two machines running testing and two running unstable.
This week I have three running stable and one running testing. The mix
will probably eventually be - 2 x stable, 1 x testing, 1 x unstable
My desktop is normally unstable - but I may move back to testing for
this. I regard the difference between stable, testing, unstable not in
terms of abstract stability/instability but more in terms of how much
package churn there is.

Stable - no movement except security fixes - unconditionally solid.

Testing - package change tends to move in waves. Major changes like
KDE / Gnome tend to take a month at a time to propagate through.
Usable 95% of the time with no problem - the rest may be a few updates
held back for a while.

Unstable - all bets are off in terms of how much change you can expect
in a night

Andy


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On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 12:00:48AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 11:07:39PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > > Joe Hart writes:
> > > > > > if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
> > > > > > (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
> > > > >
> > > > > Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
> > > > > Etch at the moment.
> > > >
> > > > I've got a quick question, I'm wondering if I'm the only one: For some
> > > > reason my /etc/debian_version says I'm running "lenny/sid", I'm hoping
> > > > this is only temporary though?
> > > >
>
> Can we say OOPS.
>
> With sources list pointing to testing, when Etch went stable, you
> carried on into Lenny. If you want stable, that's downgrading.
> Officially not supported but I don't know if anything in Lenny has
> changed yet. If you really want etch, hopefully someone on the list who
> has done it can guide you into getting reEtched.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Doug.
>
>

No, I wanted to stay with Lenny. I'm just wondering why it says
lenny/sid instead of Lenny.

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Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 12:00:48AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 11:07:39PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
>>>>>> Joe Hart writes:
>>>>>>> if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
>>>>>>> (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
>>>>>> Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly identical to
>>>>>> Etch at the moment.
>>>>> I've got a quick question, I'm wondering if I'm the only one: For some
>>>>> reason my /etc/debian_version says I'm running "lenny/sid", I'm hoping
>>>>> this is only temporary though?
>>>>>
>> Can we say OOPS.
>
>> With sources list pointing to testing, when Etch went stable, you
>> carried on into Lenny. If you want stable, that's downgrading.
>> Officially not supported but I don't know if anything in Lenny has
>> changed yet. If you really want etch, hopefully someone on the list who
>> has done it can guide you into getting reEtched.
>
>> Good luck.
>
>> Doug.
>
>
>
> No, I wanted to stay with Lenny. I'm just wondering why it says
> lenny/sid instead of Lenny.
>

Michael,

I run Sidux, hence my repo's are all Sid, and mine shows the same.
IIRC, this is the standard way of saying, "You are running something
that is not stable, and if you break it you get to keep both parts" kind
of thing. The easiest way to tell which version you're running is to
look at the /etc/apt/sources.list and see which repositories are being used.

I would bet that you are running Lenny, but if you want to be sure, then
change the "Testing" to "Lenny" in the sources.list and you will always
be getting Lenny, even after it goes stable.

Joe
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Adam Hardy wrote:
> andy on 11/04/07 20:45, wrote:
>> Adam Hardy wrote:
>>> andy on 11/04/07 20:12, wrote:
>>>> John Hasler wrote:
>>>> If I wanted to remain current (w/out being bleeding-edge ala Sid),
>>>> would I now be adjusting my apt-sources-list to look for "testing"
>>>> rather than "etch" as they do now?
>>>>
>>>> How risky is this on a workstation/desktop-&-music-&-Net box?
>>>
>>> It depends how often you are going to do an across-the-board upgrade
>>> of all your packages to stay current, and I guess it depends alot on
>>> knowing what you are doing. I guess if you have to ask, you will end
>>> up learning alot!
>>>
>>> That's what happened to me. I stayed with etch through about 18
>>> months of testing and found every 3 months I would encounter some
>>> mind-bending problem concerning things I never knew existed. Would
>>> spend an hour or a day sorting it out with from this list and
>>> elsewhere.
>>>
>> Adam, your response was quite provocative!
>>
>> While I am fascinated by computers and have enjoyed my forays into
>> programming and networking I cannot claim to be anything more than a
>> user who would prefer a trouble-free computing experience, but isn't
>> afraid about getting my hands dirty if need's be. So, on this basis,
>> and noting that I have my trusty update manager doing all of the
>> nitty gritty for me, what am I realistically looking at if I adapt my
>> sources-list to "testing" (as they had been prior to Etch becoming
>> Etch)?
>>
>> The plot thickens ...
>
> Provocative? Not in a negative sense, I hope.
>
> The issues that I ran into were all undoubtedly something that a
> debian guru would not have had to deal with - I'm sure all the warning
> signs were there but I just chose to ignore them or didn't recognise
> them.
>
> Since it happened on average every 3 months and I only had testing for
> 18, I guess that means it only happened 6 times in all.
>
> It wasn't always the same thing, but one example that I remember was
> with udev. I accidentally allowed a package to overwrite a config file
> which I had edited, and I didn't see it happening.
>
> So a couple of things wouldn't work anymore, but it was no great
> disaster, in fact I didn't even realise straight away, which made the
> diagnosis of the problem harder. It was because the config I used to
> have was gone, and I had forgotten the details, since it was a couple
> of months since I had put in the necessary config first time around.
>
> I guess the moral of the story is, keep notes on all the changes you
> make, and preferably, devote a bit of time to it.
>
> I needed testing then for the new udev stuff which make it much easier
> to synch my Palm, so I guess it was worth it.
>
> Adam
>
>
Thanks Adam (& Greg ), Andrew C, and all of the rest for your
comments. I'll leave the sources list as they are for a couple of weeks
and then may well adjust the "etch" part to testing and hang on tight ...

Cheers all

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Michael Pobega <pobega@gmail.com>:
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:56:14PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 10:51:23PM -0400, Michael Pobega wrote:
> > > On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:32:33AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > Joe Hart writes:
> > > > > if you're running Etch you won't be getting many, if you're running Lenny
> > > > > (which is kind of hard because AFAIK it isn't all complete yet)
> > > >
> > > > Lenny (Testing) is complete. It just happens to be nearly