Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to
debian-user@lists.debian.org for each mail coming from the ML ? I am quite
sure you have discussed it before, but I am relatively new to this ML. When
you used not to take care about replying -it is the case in lots of ml, e.g.
gentoo'- it is very disappointing to see your replies to be sent out to the
last sender and not the whole list.

Thks for your answer.

Gal'

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:09:29 +0200
galevsky@gmail.com wrote:

> Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to
> debian-user@lists.debian.org for each mail coming from the ML ? I am quite
> sure you have discussed it before, but I am relatively new to this ML. When
> you used not to take care about replying -it is the case in lots of ml, e.g.
> gentoo'- it is very disappointing to see your replies to be sent out to the
> last sender and not the whole list.
>
> Thks for your answer.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

I haven't been through it carefully, but this is what people bring up.

Celejar


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galevsky@gmail.com wrote:
> Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to
> debian-user@lists.debian.org <mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org> for
> each mail coming from the ML ? I am quite sure you have discussed it
> before, but I am relatively new to this ML. When you used not to take
> care about replying -it is the case in lots of ml, e.g. gentoo'- it is
> very disappointing to see your replies to be sent out to the last sender
> and not the whole list.
>
> Thks for your answer.
>
> Gal'

Yes, it has been discussed many times. Since you're using gmail, you
have to either pop your gmail and use a MUA (like IceDove, Kmail,
Evolution, Sypheed, mutt, etc) and use a "reply to list" funcion.
Otherwise, you will need to edit each message you reply to so that it is
not sent to the person, but to the list.

Joe

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On 03/30/07 08:09, galevsky@gmail.com wrote:
> Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to
> debian-user@lists.debian.org <mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org> for
> each mail coming from the ML ? I am quite sure you have discussed it
> before, but I am relatively new to this ML. When you used not to take
> care about replying -it is the case in lots of ml, e.g. gentoo'- it is
> very disappointing to see your replies to be sent out to the last sender
> and not the whole list.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Icedove (with the appropriate plugin), Evolution, KMail & mutt all
do Reply-to-list.

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On 03/30/07 08:32, galevsky@gmail.com wrote:
> I am forwarding previous answers.... and adding that I do not want to
> pop these mails since I suscribed lots of ML, not only debian ones, and
> it is more convenient for me to read&write from gmail than poping 3
> times (work - home - laptop) thousands of mails.....

Complain to Google that their MUA is lacking an important feature.

Reply-to-list
OR
IMAP functionality.

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I am forwarding previous answers.... and adding that I do not want to pop
these mails since I suscribed lots of ML, not only debian ones, and it is
more convenient for me to read&write from gmail than poping 3 times (work -
home - laptop) thousands of mails.....


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From: galevsky@gmail.com <galevsky@gmail.com>
Date: 30 mars 2007 15:28
Subject: Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?
To: Kevin Mark <kevin.mark@verizon.net>

Okay, thks for your answer. I still can't see any advantage not to fill in
reply-to, but.... I can live with reply-to-all ;o)

Rgds

Gal'

2007/3/30, Kevin Mark < kevin.mark@verizon.net>:
>
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 03:09:29PM +0200, galevsky@gmail.com wrote:
> > Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to
> > debian-user@lists.debian.org for each mail coming from the ML ? I am
> quite sure
> > you have discussed it before, but I am relatively new to this ML. When
> you used
> > not to take care about replying -it is the case in lots of ml, e.g.
> gentoo'- it
> > is very disappointing to see your replies to be sent out to the last
> sender and
> > not the whole list.
> Yes this is a feature. Most folks like myself have a MUA (mail client)
> that has a 'reply to list' feature, that replys ONLY to the list. Other
> clients require you to use 'reply to all' and then remove yourself etc.
> This is issue is discussed about every 6 months by new folks to the
> list. I'm sure if you google with 'site:list.debian.org reply to list',
> you may find the numerous threads on this subject.
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IMAP is not interesting for me at work, and there is reply-to-all feature
yet, so I am not sure the problem is coming from Google MUA, but from the
reply-to field instead. I read the Celejar link (thanks for him to have
brought it up) and tried to think that it was the reason why we don't have
it in debian ML. But I totally disagree with it.

Next italics-bleu text is coming from
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html.It Adds
NothingReply-Tomunging does not benefit the user with a reasonable
mailer. People want to
munge Reply-To headers to make "reply back to the list" easy.

? Of course there is a plus. You don't have to pay attention to what kind of
reply you are doing. (Nor what kind of MUA you are using....)

It Makes Things BreakIt, in fact, *decreases* functionality.
Reply-Tomunging destroys the "reply-to-author" capability. Munging
makes this
command act effectively the same as the "reply-to-group" function. We
haven't added anything new, we've only taken away. Reply-To munging is not
merely benign, it is harmful.

? it missed something.... we are talking about adding Reply-to to ML, not to
day-to-day emails. It is a wrong way not to take the use into
consideration: most of the replies are done to the ML, so we can easily
consider replying to the whole ML as a default behaviour. In very particular
cases, when you don't want to share, you can do the cut/paste effort to
target only one contributor, can't you ? So what's broken ?

Freedom of Choice Some administrators justify Reply-To munging by saying,
"All responses should go directly to the list anyway." This is arrogant.

? choice of what ? In our case we are talking about more convenience, and
one point that can be checked is having the default behaviour matching the
needs. No choice is bad. But what about the defaults tuned up ?

Well, I still can't see any problem using reply-to. For ML usage, of course.
(And there is also other usage, but no the matter here.)

Gal'


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> > pop these mails since I suscribed lots of ML, not only debian ones, and
> > it is more convenient for me to read&write from gmail than poping 3
> > times (work - home - laptop) thousands of mails.....
>
> Complain to Google that their MUA is lacking an important feature.
>
> Reply-to-list
> OR
> IMAP functionality.
>
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:58:10 +0200
galevsky@gmail.com wrote:

> tried to think that it
> was the reason why we don't have it in debian ML. But I totally
> disagree with it.
>

Why do we have to have this argument every month? It doesn't matter
if you disagree or not! This is the way this list is, so you accept
it and live with it or you don't. You make the choice. Why do I
have to put up with your whining about it?

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