Dear All:

I found myself in a strange situation.
The dvd rom of my notebook is broken(can not read anything), and there's
no other removable devices like floppy or usb pen that can be used on
that notebook.
The only way I can boot is from the existed WindowsXP on 1 of my 2
partitions.

So , if I want to install debian on the other partition , what can I
do ?
I just want to know is this the end that I should not go any further to
find some solutions ?

Thanks !

Ken
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On Wednesday 28 March 2007 08:44, Ken Hu wrote:
> Dear All:
>
> I found myself in a strange situation.
> The dvd rom of my notebook is broken(can not read anything), and there's
> no other removable devices like floppy or usb pen that can be used on
> that notebook.
> The only way I can boot is from the existed WindowsXP on 1 of my 2
> partitions.
>
> So , if I want to install debian on the other partition , what can I
> do ?
> I just want to know is this the end that I should not go any further to
> find some solutions ?
>
> Thanks !
>
> Ken
One solution is to attach the notebook's hard disk into another computer and
perform the installation on that computer.
Also some ethernet cards are able to boot from network.
http://www.linux-sxs.org/internet_serving/pxeboot.html

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Ken Hu:
>
> The dvd rom of my notebook is broken(can not read anything), and there's
> no other removable devices like floppy or usb pen that can be used on
> that notebook.
> The only way I can boot is from the existed WindowsXP on 1 of my 2
> partitions.
>
> So , if I want to install debian on the other partition , what can I
> do ?

There are several solutions for this. Maybe the easiest one (which I
haven't tested yet) is <http://goodbye-microsoft.com/> where you can
find a Windows executable which tries to prepare a windows system for a
regular Debian installation. All you need is a network connection, as
fas as I can tell.

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:44:07 +0800
Ken Hu <ken@mmti.com.tw> wrote:

> Dear All:
>
> I found myself in a strange situation.
> The dvd rom of my notebook is broken(can not read anything), and
> there's no other removable devices like floppy or usb pen that can be
> used on that notebook.
> The only way I can boot is from the existed WindowsXP on 1 of my 2
> partitions.
>
> So , if I want to install debian on the other partition , what can I
> do ?
> I just want to know is this the end that I should not go any further
> to find some solutions ?
>
> Thanks !
>
> Ken

I haven't tried it, but I understand that the Debian installer can be
launched from a Windows partition these days. See
http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ for more information.

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Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:44:07 +0800
> Ken Hu <ken@mmti.com.tw> wrote:
>
>> Dear All:
>>
>> I found myself in a strange situation.
>> The dvd rom of my notebook is broken(can not read anything), and
>> there's no other removable devices like floppy or usb pen that can be
>> used on that notebook.
>> The only way I can boot is from the existed WindowsXP on 1 of my 2
>> partitions.
>>
>> So , if I want to install debian on the other partition , what can I
>> do ?
>> I just want to know is this the end that I should not go any further
>> to find some solutions ?
>>
>> Thanks !
>>
>> Ken
>
> I haven't tried it, but I understand that the Debian installer can be
> launched from a Windows partition these days. See
> http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ for more information.
>

I did try it, just for kicks since I already had Debian installed. It
works just as advertised. It will detect which processor you have, and
download appropriate net install (daily build if I am not mistaken) for
Etch and then offer you a chance to install it next boot. The install
works just as if you booted it from a CD.

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>
>
> I did try it, just for kicks since I already had Debian installed. It
> works just as advertised. It will detect which processor you have, and
> download appropriate net install (daily build if I am not mistaken) for
> Etch and then offer you a chance to install it next boot. The install
> works just as if you booted it from a CD.


Really? There is one particular aspect I'm concerned with: Will it really
put Debian on its own partition or is it one of those
Linux-in-a-file-inside-a-windows-partition crazy things? I looked a lot in
the net for this information but I can't find it anywhere.

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> Really? There is one particular aspect I'm concerned with: Will it really
> put Debian on its own partition or is it one of those
> Linux-in-a-file-inside-a-windows-partition crazy things? I
> looked a lot in the net for this information but I can't find it anywhere.

Yup, it's a normal installer, almost just-like-cd (i noticed few small
visual differences), you can delete windows partition, and set debian
instead of it. just make sure nothing breaks in middle of installation
- then you're stuck.

i did this for bunch of machines (~15) and it's much more comfortable
than CD boot, as in windows installer parameters you can already
choose some standard settings like timezone, etc (it's install kernel
parameters

Regards,
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Thanks for your information, I will give it a try.
Before I do this , do you think I am safe if I want to keep my WinXP
installation along with my new debian OS ?

Ken

於 Wed，2007-03-28 於 13:07 +0300，Atis �到：
> > Really? There is one particular aspect I'm concerned with: Will it really
> > put Debian on its own partition or is it one of those
> > Linux-in-a-file-inside-a-windows-partition crazy things? I
> > looked a lot in the net for this information but I can't find it anywhere.
>
> Yup, it's a normal installer, almost just-like-cd (i noticed few small
> visual differences), you can delete windows partition, and set debian
> instead of it. just make sure nothing breaks in middle of installation
> - then you're stuck.
>
> i did this for bunch of machines (~15) and it's much more comfortable
> than CD boot, as in windows installer parameters you can already
> choose some standard settings like timezone, etc (it's install kernel
> parameters
>
> Regards,
> Atis
>
>
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> ***
> Before I do this , do you think I am safe if I want to keep my WinXP
> installation along with my new debian OS ?
>
> Ken


Yes, you may safely run dual-boot

If you're not familiar with linux don't even try to delete WinXp until you
get fully working system.

regards
zb

On 3/28/07, Ken Hu <ken@mmti.com.tw> wrote:
> Thanks for your information, I will give it a try.
> Before I do this , do you think I am safe if I want to keep my WinXP
> installation along with my new debian OS ?

Then you would need to resize windows partition first.

Regards,
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Ken Hu wrote:
> Thanks for your information, I will give it a try.
> Before I do this , do you think I am safe if I want to keep my WinXP

You're never safe when using windows...

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Atis:
> On 3/28/07, Ken Hu <ken@mmti.com.tw> wrote:
>> Thanks for your information, I will give it a try.
>> Before I do this , do you think I am safe if I want to keep my WinXP
>> installation along with my new debian OS ?
>
> Then you would need to resize windows partition first.

You need to resize it, but you can do that during the installation
process (or let the installer decide). /Should/ be no problem. But, as
always, when fiddling with partitions: make sure you have a backup, just
in case.

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:03:08 +0300
Atis <atis@BEST.eu.org> wrote:

> On 3/28/07, Ken Hu <ken@mmti.com.tw> wrote:
> > Thanks for your information, I will give it a try.
> > Before I do this , do you think I am safe if I want to keep my WinXP
> > installation along with my new debian OS ?
>
> Then you would need to resize windows partition first.
>
> Regards,
> Atis
>
>

The OP mentioned that he already has a spare partition.

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> You need to resize it, but you can do that during the installation
> process (or let the installer decide). /Should/ be no problem. But, as
> always, when fiddling with partitions: make sure you have a backup, just
> in case.

If i would have a space for backup, i wouldn't resize, but just copy
data there, delete & create & copy back
I never seen such an option in etch installer (maybe i missed it).
AFAIR there was just an option to use largest continuous free space.

Regards,
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Ken Hu escribió:
> Dear All:
>
> I found myself in a strange situation.
> The dvd rom of my notebook is broken(can not read anything), and there's
> no other removable devices like floppy or usb pen that can be used on
> that notebook.
> The only way I can boot is from the existed WindowsXP on 1 of my 2
> partitions.
>
> So , if I want to install debian on the other partition , what can I
> do ?
> I just want to know is this the end that I should not go any further to
> find some solutions ?
>
> Thanks !
>
> Ken
http://goodbye-microsoft.com/

And you can install it in another partition ;-)

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Atis <atis@BEST.eu.org> wrote:

> > You need to resize it, but you can do that during the installation
> > process (or let the installer decide). /Should/ be no problem. But,
> > as always, when fiddling with partitions: make sure you have a
> > backup, just in case.
>
> If i would have a space for backup, i wouldn't resize, but just copy
> data there, delete & create & copy back
> I never seen such an option in etch installer (maybe i missed it).
> AFAIR there was just an option to use largest continuous free space.

Did you try manual partitioning? Resizing is not something to be done
automatically.

Regards,
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Atis wrote:
>> You need to resize it, but you can do that during the installation
>> process (or let the installer decide). /Should/ be no problem. But, as
>> always, when fiddling with partitions: make sure you have a backup, just
>> in case.
>
> If i would have a space for backup, i wouldn't resize, but just copy
> data there, delete & create & copy back
> I never seen such an option in etch installer (maybe i missed it).
> AFAIR there was just an option to use largest continuous free space.
>

Have a look at the Etch installer HOWTO on the NewbieDOC wiki. There is a
section that describes resizing the partition [1]

[1]
http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/How...ting_partition


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Atis wrote:
>> You need to resize it, but you can do that during the installation
>> process (or let the installer decide). /Should/ be no problem. But, as
>> always, when fiddling with partitions: make sure you have a backup, just
>> in case.
>
> If i would have a space for backup, i wouldn't resize, but just copy
> data there, delete & create & copy back
> I never seen such an option in etch installer (maybe i missed it).
> AFAIR there was just an option to use largest continuous free space.
>

Have a look at the Etch installer HOWTO on the NewbieDOC wiki. There is a
section that describes resizing the partition [1].

[1]
http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/wiki/How...ting_partition

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On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:44:07PM +0800, Ken Hu wrote:
> Dear All:
>
> I found myself in a strange situation.
> The dvd rom of my notebook is broken(can not read anything), and there's
> no other removable devices like floppy or usb pen that can be used on
> that notebook.
> The only way I can boot is from the existed WindowsXP on 1 of my 2
> partitions.
>
> So , if I want to install debian on the other partition , what can I
> do ?
> I just want to know is this the end that I should not go any further to
> find some solutions ?
>

Just do a standard hd-media install. The kernel, initrd, and
netinst.iso get put on the partition you want to keep (windoze), but the
trick is booting. I've never run 'doze so don't know how to operate its
boot loader.

Can your laptop's bios boot from the network and do you have another
linux box to act as a boot server? Do a standard net-boot install.

Put the drive in another computer (laptop or desktop with adapter) and
install grub onto it.

Whatever you do, have all your data backed up.

Good luck.

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Douglas Allan Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 01:44:07PM +0800, Ken Hu wrote:
> > Dear All:
> >
> > I found myself in a strange situation.
> > The dvd rom of my notebook is broken(can not read anything), and
> > there's no other removable devices like floppy or usb pen that can
> > be used on that notebook.
> > The only way I can boot is from the existed WindowsXP on 1 of my 2
> > partitions.
> >
> > So , if I want to install debian on the other partition , what can I
> > do ?
> > I just want to know is this the end that I should not go any
> > further to find some solutions ?
> >
>
> Just do a standard hd-media install. The kernel, initrd, and
> netinst.iso get put on the partition you want to keep (windoze), but
> the trick is booting. I've never run 'doze so don't know how to
> operate its boot loader.

IMHO the http://goodbye-microsoft.com option is much
easier/cleaner/whatever, but for completeness and archives sake ...

.... it is possible to boot with grub through ntldr (Windows bootloader).
I used this method in the past to boot Knoppix iso's. This method
however relied on a modified initrd (and kernel?) and is described here
http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Win_Partition . I'm sure it can be used to
boot the debian-installer, but whether this has already been
implemented or you need to hack initrd and/or kernel for this, I don't
know. Google should know more about this.

Regards,
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