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> Curt Howland wrote:
> > Actually, the clear implication is that I consider the military
> > occupation of 170 different countries by the US to be
> > reprehensible, which causes me to wonder what the peoples so
> > occupied think of it.

Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.ca>
> Does it matter? We're the ones paying for it, if we think it's
> reprehensible, isn't it our moral imperative to bring our boys home
> and end the occupations?

It's an intellectual exercise, much like saying "Isn't it our moral
imperative to bring 'our boys' home?"

When the IRS has a gun to my head, there isn't much to do but pay even
if that money is taken to keep soldiers in someone else's front yard.

I have taken every opportunity available to protest, to vote "no",
to "petition", but what does Washington DC care about my opinion or
my "moral imperative"?

Democracy _sucks_. It makes all problems worse and solves nothing. At
least in a monarchy or oligarchy, the ruler has some small incentive
to pass on a prosperous nation to their successor. These "elected"
examples of sewage have incentive only to take every bit of loot they
can before their term in office is up.

At least with a tyrant, they can't use the excuse, "Well, you elected
me. You must _want_ the rape you get."

Democracy works as a decision making process when it is voluntary,
such as the Debian project. But then so does oligarchy (RedHat) and
tyranny (Ubuntu, Slackware).

The difference, as has been said many times before by better men than
I, is coercion.

Curt-


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On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:26:08AM -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
>
> Democracy _sucks_. It makes all problems worse and solves nothing.

Good thing the US isn't a Democracy.

Regards,

-Roberto

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On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:26:08 -0500
Curt Howland <Howland@priss.com> wrote:

[snip]

> Democracy _sucks_. It makes all problems worse and solves nothing. At
> least in a monarchy or oligarchy, the ruler has some small incentive
> to pass on a prosperous nation to their successor. These "elected"
> examples of sewage have incentive only to take every bit of loot they
> can before their term in office is up.
>
> At least with a tyrant, they can't use the excuse, "Well, you elected
> me. You must _want_ the rape you get."

What on earth are you talking about? Do you really mean that societies
are better off when governed by tyrants than when governed by
democratically elected governments? Do you think that this has been
historically true WRT the actual tyrants and actual democratic
governments that the world has experienced?

Celejar


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Roberto C. Sanchez <roberto@connexer.com>:
>
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:26:08AM -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
> >
> > Democracy _sucks_. It makes all problems worse and solves nothing.
>
> Good thing the US isn't a Democracy.

It _thinks_ it's a republic. It _is_ a mobocracy.


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Celejar <celejar@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:26:08 -0500
> Curt Howland <Howland@priss.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Democracy _sucks_. It makes all problems worse and solves nothing. At
> > least in a monarchy or oligarchy, the ruler has some small incentive
> > to pass on a prosperous nation to their successor. These "elected"
> > examples of sewage have incentive only to take every bit of loot they
> > can before their term in office is up.
> >
> > At least with a tyrant, they can't use the excuse, "Well, you elected
> > me. You must _want_ the rape you get."
>
> What on earth are you talking about? Do you really mean that societies
> are better off when governed by tyrants than when governed by
> democratically elected governments?

"Governed by democratically elected governments", elected by
"sheeple"? One's a singular tyrant, the other's a tyrant made up of
many. There's a difference?

Democracy == Mobocracy. Yes, Democracy sucks. Somewhat less that
authoritarian/totalitarian, but not by much. The standard is freedom
for the individual (all minorities are made up of individuals).

> Do you think that this has been historically true WRT the actual
> tyrants and actual democratic governments that the world has
> experienced?

Pretty much. Salem Mass. comes to mind.


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