On 3/7/07, pinniped <cirilo_bernardo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> huh?
>
> I really don't know what the hell you're talking about. I've been leaving
> the subject blank lately because people bitch about it for no apparent
> reason. But if you really don't want the subject changing, why don't you
> ask Intnsred if he can set things so that the subject isn't changed? A
> blank 'subject' line with a flashing cursor is just begging people to put
> something in.
>
>
I really, more often than not, don't know what the hell YOU'RE talking
about, which was my point. And you just did it again, responding without
quoting what you're responding to. I suspect you're using a crippled email
client - mine doesn't flash an empty subject line at me, and it invites me
to quote what I'm responding to. (And, for debian-user, I'm on gmail, which
is by no means the most sophisticated of email clients. It invites me to
top-post, an invitation I ignore here; it makes editing the Subject line
difficult; it makes quoting routine.)

As I said before, I'm just trying to you be MORE ful. Sorry if you
took it wrong.

Patrick

On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:27:10PM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> On 3/7/07, pinniped <cirilo_bernardo@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >huh?
> >
> >I really don't know what the hell you're talking about. I've been leaving
> >the subject blank lately because people bitch about it for no apparent
> >reason. But if you really don't want the subject changing, why don't you
> >ask Intnsred if he can set things so that the subject isn't changed? A
> >blank 'subject' line with a flashing cursor is just begging people to put
> >something in.
> >
> >
> I really, more often than not, don't know what the hell YOU'RE talking
> about, which was my point. And you just did it again, responding without
> quoting what you're responding to. I suspect you're using a crippled email
> client - mine doesn't flash an empty subject line at me, and it invites me
> to quote what I'm responding to. (And, for debian-user, I'm on gmail, which
> is by no means the most sophisticated of email clients. It invites me to
> top-post, an invitation I ignore here; it makes editing the Subject line
> difficult; it makes quoting routine.)
>
> As I said before, I'm just trying to you be MORE ful. Sorry if you
> took it wrong.
>
> Patrick

Patrick, I just thought you should know all of your responses have
shown up as new threads to me. Not sure if it's something with my Mutt
setup or if other people are seeing this too, but I'd really like to
know.


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Michael Pobega wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:27:10PM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
>> On 3/7/07, pinniped <cirilo_bernardo@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> huh?
>>>
>>> I really don't know what the hell you're talking about. I've been leaving
>>> the subject blank lately because people bitch about it for no apparent
>>> reason. But if you really don't want the subject changing, why don't you
>>> ask Intnsred if he can set things so that the subject isn't changed? A
>>> blank 'subject' line with a flashing cursor is just begging people to put
>>> something in.
>>>
>>>
>> I really, more often than not, don't know what the hell YOU'RE talking
>> about, which was my point. And you just did it again, responding without
>> quoting what you're responding to. I suspect you're using a crippled email
>> client - mine doesn't flash an empty subject line at me, and it invites me
>> to quote what I'm responding to. (And, for debian-user, I'm on gmail, which
>> is by no means the most sophisticated of email clients. It invites me to
>> top-post, an invitation I ignore here; it makes editing the Subject line
>> difficult; it makes quoting routine.)
>>
>> As I said before, I'm just trying to you be MORE ful. Sorry if you
>> took it wrong.
>>
>> Patrick
>
> Patrick, I just thought you should know all of your responses have
> shown up as new threads to me. Not sure if it's something with my Mutt
> setup or if other people are seeing this too, but I'd really like to
> know.
>
>
Icedove MUA also showing Patrick's post as new thread. He changed the
subject (corrected then to than). I really hate when people use the
word then when they should be using the word than. It's a far too
common mistake.

At least Patrick knows the difference.

Joe

PS. This follows the tread. It is a useless reply.

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On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 08:52:02 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
> Michael Pobega wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:27:10PM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:

[ snip: dicussion on how and why to quote properly ]

> > Patrick, I just thought you should know all of your responses have
> > shown up as new threads to me. Not sure if it's something with my Mutt
> > setup or if other people are seeing this too, but I'd really like to
> > know.
> >
> >
> Icedove MUA also showing Patrick's post as new thread. He changed the
> subject (corrected then to than). I really hate when people use the
> word then when they should be using the word than. It's a far too
> common mistake.
>
> At least Patrick knows the difference.

It seems that gmail does not include "In-Reply-To" references in the
header; at least they were absent in Patrick's message. This means that
a change in the subject line will break threading. It should not matter
if you change the subject as long as your MUA puts the proper references
in the header.

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> I have a gmail account as well, and I know that it doesn't handle
> mailing lists well. However, gmail does offer POP3 access you one's
> account, so he could always set up mutt or icedove or any other MUA that
> can handle POP accounts, then he can reply to the list properly.


I also use gmail for lists, and you can avoid problem using 'Reply all' and
erasing user's mail address leaving only the list.

have a try

cheers
raffaele

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Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 08:52:02 +0100, Joe Hart wrote:
>> Michael Pobega wrote:
>>> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 09:27:10PM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
>
> [ snip: dicussion on how and why to quote properly ]
>
>>> Patrick, I just thought you should know all of your responses have
>>> shown up as new threads to me. Not sure if it's something with my Mutt
>>> setup or if other people are seeing this too, but I'd really like to
>>> know.
>>>
>>>
>> Icedove MUA also showing Patrick's post as new thread. He changed the
>> subject (corrected then to than). I really hate when people use the
>> word then when they should be using the word than. It's a far too
>> common mistake.
>>
>> At least Patrick knows the difference.
>
> It seems that gmail does not include "In-Reply-To" references in the
> header; at least they were absent in Patrick's message. This means that
> a change in the subject line will break threading. It should not matter
> if you change the subject as long as your MUA puts the proper references
> in the header.
>

I have a gmail account as well, and I know that it doesn't handle
mailing lists well. However, gmail does offer POP3 access you one's
account, so he could always set up mutt or icedove or any other MUA that
can handle POP accounts, then he can reply to the list properly.

In order to get icedove to handle it properly, one needs to install the
Reply-To-List extension.

Joe

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On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:50:21 +0100
Joe Hart <j.hart@orange.nl> wrote:

[snip]

> > It seems that gmail does not include "In-Reply-To" references in the
> > header; at least they were absent in Patrick's message. This means that
> > a change in the subject line will break threading. It should not matter
> > if you change the subject as long as your MUA puts the proper references
> > in the header.
> >
>
> I have a gmail account as well, and I know that it doesn't handle
> mailing lists well. However, gmail does offer POP3 access you one's
> account, so he could always set up mutt or icedove or any other MUA that
> can handle POP accounts, then he can reply to the list properly.

I access the list with Sylpheed and a Gmail account; seems to work
fine. Note tha Gmail offers both POP3 and SMTP.

Celejar


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