When?

For the past seven months we've had under the "news" section at debian.org:

"Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0"

Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense of humour on the part of the developers?


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On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 06:58:22PM +0000, Doofus wrote:
> When?
>
> For the past seven months we've had under the "news" section at debian.org:
>
> "Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0"
>
> Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense of humour on the part of the developers?
>
>

Debian 4.0 (Etch) will be released when it is ready. Currently Etch
has 525 bugs, 93 of which are release critical.

The reason I choose Debian over most other distributions (Especially
Ubuntu) is because Debian has a strict release policy to ensure
stability for server computers and deliver the awesome service that
the "Stable" Debian releases have been known for as long as Debian's
been out.

Just because Etch isn't officially "released" it doesn't mean you
can't use it. Just install Debian Testing from a testing iso which you
can get from Debian's mainsite[0&1]. Etch is all in all pretty stable
(I'm using it at the moment) but the packages are a wee bit outdated.


[0] http://debian.org/
[1] http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/


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On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:58 +0000, Doofus wrote:
> When?
>
> For the past seven months we've had under the "news" section at debian.org:
>
> "Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0"
>
> Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense of humour on the part of the developers?

Considering how long it took Sarge to become stable... if it were
release today... would make Sarge's release look glacially slow.

Remember this is DEBIAN, not corporate-pushed releases that follow a
rigid release time (read as Ubuntu)
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Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:58 +0000, Doofus wrote:
>
>> When?
>>
>> For the past seven months we've had under the "news" section at
>> debian.org:
>>
>> "Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0"
>>
>> Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense of humour on the part of the
>> developers?
>>
>
> Considering how long it took Sarge to become stable... if it were
> release today... would make Sarge's release look glacially slow.
>
> Remember this is DEBIAN, not corporate-pushed releases that follow a
> rigid release time (read as Ubuntu)

I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to be
publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly nothing of
the sort exists.


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Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:58 +0000, Doofus wrote:
>
>> When?
>>
>> For the past seven months we've had under the "news" section at
>> debian.org:
>>
>> "Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0"
>>
>> Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense of humour on the part of the
>> developers?
>>
>
> Considering how long it took Sarge to become stable... if it were
> release today... would make Sarge's release look glacially slow.
>
> Remember this is DEBIAN, not corporate-pushed releases that follow a
> rigid release time (read as Ubuntu)
>
I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to be
publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly nothing of
the sort exists.


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On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:20:44PM +0000, Doofus wrote:
> Greg Folkert wrote:
> >On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:58 +0000, Doofus wrote:
> >
> >>When?
> >>
> >>For the past seven months we've had under the "news" section at
> >>debian.org:
> >>
> >>"Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0"
> >>
> >>Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense of humour on the part of the
> >>developers?
> >>
> >
> >Considering how long it took Sarge to become stable... if it were
> >release today... would make Sarge's release look glacially slow.
> >
> >Remember this is DEBIAN, not corporate-pushed releases that follow a
> >rigid release time (read as Ubuntu)
> >
> I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to be
> publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly nothing of
> the sort exists.

wha? there is an upcoming release. Its due out "any time now" with
release likely I would guess in April. That is some time before Duke
Nukem Forever comes out, so that should be good. Etch has been in
freeze for a couple months now... and is coming along nicely.

A

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shad up eh

On 2/26/07, Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 11:20:44PM +0000, Doofus wrote:
> > Greg Folkert wrote:
> > >On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 18:58 +0000, Doofus wrote:
> > >
> > >>When?
> > >>
> > >>For the past seven months we've had under the "news" section at
> > >>debian.org:
> > >>
> > >>"Upcoming Release of Debian GNU/Linux 4.0"
> > >>
> > >>Upcoming. Is this an off-beat sense of humour on the part of the
> > >>developers?
> > >>
> > >
> > >Considering how long it took Sarge to become stable... if it were
> > >release today... would make Sarge's release look glacially slow.
> > >
> > >Remember this is DEBIAN, not corporate-pushed releases that follow a
> > >rigid release time (read as Ubuntu)
> > >
> > I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to be
> > publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly nothing of
> > the sort exists.
>
> wha? there is an upcoming release. Its due out "any time now" with
> release likely I would guess in April. That is some time before Duke
> Nukem Forever comes out, so that should be good. Etch has been in
> freeze for a couple months now... and is coming along nicely.
>
> A
>


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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:19:23 +0000
Phil Walton <philwalton@imap.cc> wrote:

> I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to be
> publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly nothing
> of the sort exists.

In Debian terms the release *is* very close. Etch is in full freeze
(no new stuff will be added) and it will be released as soon as all RC
bugs are done.

Regards,
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:54:02PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:19:23 +0000
> Phil Walton <philwalton@imap.cc> wrote:
>
> > I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to be
> > publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly nothing
> > of the sort exists.
>
> In Debian terms the release *is* very close. Etch is in full freeze
> (no new stuff will be added) and it will be released as soon as all RC
> bugs are done.
>
Strictly speaking, it's not all RC bugs. I forget, but I think the
target was when only 80-100 RC bugs remain affecting Etch.

Regards,

-Roberto
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Roberto writes:
> Strictly speaking, it's not all RC bugs. I forget, but I think the
> target was when only 80-100 RC bugs remain affecting Etch.

It also matters where the bugs are. "Minor" packages that have RC bugs at
release time will be dropped. Right now the major holdup is the kernel.
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 03:21:51PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Roberto writes:
> > Strictly speaking, it's not all RC bugs. I forget, but I think the
> > target was when only 80-100 RC bugs remain affecting Etch.
>
> It also matters where the bugs are. "Minor" packages that have RC bugs at
> release time will be dropped. Right now the major holdup is the kernel.
>
/me crosses fingers

I hope the sort out the kernel issues as I have two servers running Xen
and I fear what kernel problems will do to me since I run 4 domUs on
each.

Regards,

-Roberto

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On Monday 26 February 2007 17:19, Phil Walton wrote:
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> I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to be
> publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly nothing of
> the sort exists.
----------------REPLY-----------------------
Here's the thing: you get what you pay for....& obviously when the distro ( &
all the work therein) is free, why would you complain. I have been at this a
long time & the drill is... cleanup as much as possible via bug squashing
parties: freeze the distro: do more clean up: let a bunch of us who ar
experienced get up the chops to migrate a few production systems over { this
really get the bugs spotted}; do more clean up: release when us "testers"
quit bitchin about the bugs. This release is about a year earlier than I
expected & seems to be going VERY well. KUDOS to the developers..all of them!
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:07:30 -0500
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <roberto@connexer.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:54:02PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:19:23 +0000
> > Phil Walton <philwalton@imap.cc> wrote:
> >
> > > I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to
> > > be publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly
> > > nothing of the sort exists.
> >
> > In Debian terms the release *is* very close. Etch is in full freeze
> > (no new stuff will be added) and it will be released as soon as all
> > RC bugs are done.
> >
> Strictly speaking, it's not all RC bugs. I forget, but I think the
> target was when only 80-100 RC bugs remain affecting Etch.

There are 88 right now ...

Regards,
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On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 09:44:16PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:07:30 -0500
> "Roberto C. Sanchez" <roberto@connexer.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 09:54:02PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:19:23 +0000
> > > Phil Walton <philwalton@imap.cc> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I accept all of that. My main point was how misleading it is to
> > > > be publishing headlines about an "upcoming" release when clearly
> > > > nothing of the sort exists.
> > >
> > > In Debian terms the release *is* very close. Etch is in full freeze
> > > (no new stuff will be added) and it will be released as soon as all
> > > RC bugs are done.
> > >
> > Strictly speaking, it's not all RC bugs. I forget, but I think the
> > target was when only 80-100 RC bugs remain affecting Etch.
>
> There are 88 right now ...
>
Right, but there are also other release blockers, like the problems with
the installer and the kernel (which some consider to be important
components).

Regards,

-Roberto

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