Hello,
I need to use linux when out of office. Is there a way to remove it
once I install Debian on to a PC with Windoze (2000/XP)? It should get
removed even from the OS menu. If that is possible, please explain how to go
about it.

Regards,
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Deboo ^ wrote:
> Hello,
> I need to use linux when out of office. Is there a way to
> remove it once I install Debian on to a PC with Windoze (2000/XP)? It
> should get removed even from the OS menu. If that is possible, please
> explain how to go about it.
>
are you asking "Is there a way to completely remove a Debian
installation from a PC?" ?

Atleast that is what I'm able to understand so answering for that. If
the question is something else, could you clarify.

Anyway, 'yes' you can completely remove a debian installation from a PC.
(It's heresy to do so though )

You'll need to do 2 things

1. restore the windoze MBR.
there might be other ways but this is one of the type of my head for
the rest google .
use a Windoze install disk to boot into rescue mode and run 'fixmbr'

http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d....mspx?mfr=true

2. Delete the Linux partition
this I'm supposing you'd know howto as you managed to set up a dual
boot environment. Just use your favourite tool ..
"Partitionmagic(windoze)" / "Parted(*nix)".
or I might have missed some but again 'Google' for "partitioning
tools" will get you somewhere.

Hope that s,
-Vibhav Sharma


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Thanks for the reply Vibhav,
That worked :-)

Regards,
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On 2/26/07, Vibhav Sharma <vibhav@drishti-soft.com> wrote:
> Deboo ^ wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I need to use linux when out of office. Is there a way to
> > remove it once I install Debian on to a PC with Windoze (2000/XP)? It
> > should get removed even from the OS menu. If that is possible, please
> > explain how to go about it.
> >
> are you asking "Is there a way to completely remove a Debian
> installation from a PC?" ?
>
> Atleast that is what I'm able to understand so answering for that. If
> the question is something else, could you clarify.
>
> Anyway, 'yes' you can completely remove a debian installation from a PC.
> (It's heresy to do so though )
>
> You'll need to do 2 things
>
> 1. restore the windoze MBR.
> there might be other ways but this is one of the type of my head for
> the rest google .
> use a Windoze install disk to boot into rescue mode and run 'fixmbr'
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d....mspx?mfr=true
>
> 2. Delete the Linux partition
> this I'm supposing you'd know howto as you managed to set up a dual
> boot environment. Just use your favourite tool ..
> "Partitionmagic(windoze)" / "Parted(*nix)".
> or I might have missed some but again 'Google' for "partitioning
> tools" will get you somewhere.
>
> Hope that s,
> -Vibhav Sharma
>
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On 02/26/07 03:28, Deboo ^ wrote:
> Hello,
> I need to use linux when out of office. Is there a way to remove it
> once I install Debian on to a PC with Windoze (2000/XP)? It should get
> removed even from the OS menu. If that is possible, please explain how
> to go about it.

Your subject mentions "cybercafe".

Instead of temporarily installing Debian on a cybercafe PC, why not
boot from a Live CD?


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Because I need to burn CDs at times and as far as I have knowledge,
Knoppix atleast won't let the CD out once booted.

Regards,
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> On 02/26/07 03:28, Deboo ^ wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I need to use linux when out of office. Is there a way to remove it
> > once I install Debian on to a PC with Windoze (2000/XP)? It should get
> > removed even from the OS menu. If that is possible, please explain how
> > to go about it.
>
> Your subject mentions "cybercafe".
>
> Instead of temporarily installing Debian on a cybercafe PC, why not
> boot from a Live CD?
>
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> Instead of temporarily installing Debian on a cybercafe PC, why not
> boot from a Live CD?
>

If a cybercafe or any other public terminal allows you to install your
own os or boot a live cd I'd recommend not using it at all. At least
check for keyloggers.

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:43:50 +0530
"Deboo ^" <knowledgeful@gmail.com> wrote:

> Because I need to burn CDs at times and as far as I have knowledge,
> Knoppix atleast won't let the CD out once booted.
>
> Regards,
> Deboo
>

Try Puppy Linux - runs completely in RAM so is fast and allows easy CD burning.
http://www.puppylinux.org/
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John K Masters wrote:
> "Deboo ^" <knowledgeful@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Because I need to burn CDs at times and as far as I have knowledge,
>> Knoppix atleast won't let the CD out once booted.
>>
>
> Try Puppy Linux - runs completely in RAM so is fast and allows easy CD burning.
> http://www.puppylinux.org/
>

Or a "LiveCD" on a USB stick.

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On Mon, 2007-02-26 at 19:54 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Vibhav,
> That worked :-)
>
> Regards,
> Deboo
> P.S.: Pls use plain text for sending mails to lists. It's easier to
> read and most ppl don't like html. :-)
>
>
> On 2/26/07, Vibhav Sharma <vibhav@drishti-soft.com> wrote:
> > Deboo ^ wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I need to use linux when out of office. Is there a way to
> > > remove it once I install Debian on to a PC with Windoze (2000/XP)? It
> > > should get removed even from the OS menu. If that is possible, please
> > > explain how to go about it.
> > >
> > are you asking "Is there a way to completely remove a Debian
> > installation from a PC?" ?
> >
> > Atleast that is what I'm able to understand so answering for that. If
> > the question is something else, could you clarify.
> >
> > Anyway, 'yes' you can completely remove a debian installation from a PC.
> > (It's heresy to do so though )
> >
> > You'll need to do 2 things
> >
> > 1. restore the windoze MBR.
> > there might be other ways but this is one of the type of my head for
> > the rest google .
> > use a Windoze install disk to boot into rescue mode and run 'fixmbr'
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/resources/d....mspx?mfr=true
> >
> > 2. Delete the Linux partition
> > this I'm supposing you'd know howto as you managed to set up a dual
> > boot environment. Just use your favourite tool ..
> > "Partitionmagic(windoze)" / "Parted(*nix)".
> > or I might have missed some but again 'Google' for "partitioning
> > tools" will get you somewhere.
> >
> > Hope that s,
> > -Vibhav Sharma
> >
I gotta tell you guys, I wouldn't install/alter an OS on a PC that
wasn't mine. You're asking for trouble if something goes wrong.

I'm not saying you couldn't do this and get away with it, but the
dreadful *what if* something went wrong and you couldn't restore
Windows? Would the shop hold you accountable? An uppity clerk who didn't
understand that Windows was still there, just couldn't accessed, might
get angry. It's probably the worst case scenerio, but why risk it?

Instead of fully installing Debian on the machine, why not just boot
Knoppix or (my fav.) DSL? It's quick, it doesn't touch Windows at all,
no one will every possibly know it was there once you reboot.
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Well,
Firstly, the cybercafe guy knows me well and I installed and
configuerd a debian firewall for him so he's quite friendly with me
:-)

Secondly, I haven't yet seen a PC bogged up due to installing or
uninstalling Linux. Does that happen? And how many such cases exist?

Thanks again to the guys above who gave the Linux Puppy link and about
the usb stick Linux - which distro goes in to a USB stick?

Regards,
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On 2/27/07, Matthew K Poer <matthewpoer@gmail.com> wrote:

> I gotta tell you guys, I wouldn't install/alter an OS on a PC that
> wasn't mine. You're asking for trouble if something goes wrong.
>
> I'm not saying you couldn't do this and get away with it, but the
> dreadful *what if* something went wrong and you couldn't restore
> Windows? Would the shop hold you accountable? An uppity clerk who didn't
> understand that Windows was still there, just couldn't accessed, might
> get angry. It's probably the worst case scenerio, but why risk it?
>
> Instead of fully installing Debian on the machine, why not just boot
> Knoppix or (my fav.) DSL? It's quick, it doesn't touch Windows at all,
> no one will every possibly know it was there once you reboot.
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 12:26:55AM +0530, Deboo ^ wrote:
> [...]
> Secondly, I haven't yet seen a PC bogged up due to installing or
> uninstalling Linux. Does that happen? And how many such cases exist?
>

It rarely happens, but when it does it sucks. From what I've seen it
usually happens because someone forgot to defrag before they made the
NTFS partition smaller, or it could possibly be just a weird mistake.
I know when I tried installing Gentoo (From the LiveCD, I don't have 3
days to waste on an installer) it killed ALL of my partitions,
including /, /home and swap (I was installing it on a fourth
partition). It just happens, pretty rarely but nothing is guaranteed
100%.

> Thanks again to the guys above who gave the Linux Puppy link and about
> the usb stick Linux - which distro goes in to a USB stick?
>

DSL has an embedded zip file that goes right onto a USB with syslinux,
but I personally use FeatherLinux. I find it a lot smoother than DSL,
and generally everything works better. FeatherLinux hasn't been
worked on in a long time though, so the packages may be a bit out of
date.


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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:43:50AM +0530, Deboo ^ wrote:
> Because I need to burn CDs at times and as far as I have knowledge,
> Knoppix atleast won't let the CD out once booted.

Use "knoppix toram" at the boot prompt.


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Deboo ^ wrote:
> which distro goes in to a USB stick?


A quick Google came up with:

> This open source project puts Live Linux distributions in packages
> ready to load onto and boot from USB flash drives. This includes DSL
> Embedded, Knoppix, PCLinuxOS, SLAX, MiniMe+ SLAX, and Ubuntu! Yes, you
> can run Ubuntu easily from a USB key!
http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/01/26/live-linux-on-usb/

I'm sure there are several others also. My most recent Linux-on-a-Stick
is SLAX, as my stick is only 256MB. Before that I had used DSL (IIRC) on
a 64MB stick.

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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:55:51PM -0500, rir wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:43:50AM +0530, Deboo ^ wrote:
> > Because I need to burn CDs at times and as far as I have knowledge,
> > Knoppix atleast won't let the CD out once booted.
>
> Use "knoppix toram" at the boot prompt.
>
>
Which only works if the machine has a minmum of 768 MB or 1 GB of RAM
(I forget which), just for the CD version. I imagine that the DVD is
more.

Regards,

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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 02:14:10PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Deboo ^ wrote:
> >which distro goes in to a USB stick?
>
>
> A quick Google came up with:
>
> >This open source project puts Live Linux distributions in packages
> >ready to load onto and boot from USB flash drives. This includes DSL
> >Embedded, Knoppix, PCLinuxOS, SLAX, MiniMe+ SLAX, and Ubuntu! Yes, you
> >can run Ubuntu easily from a USB key!
> http://chris.pirillo.com/2007/01/26/live-linux-on-usb/
>
> I'm sure there are several others also. My most recent Linux-on-a-Stick
> is SLAX, as my stick is only 256MB. Before that I had used DSL (IIRC) on
> a 64MB stick.

I'm missed the start of this particular conversation. Has anybody
mentioned grml (www.grml.org) and the Debian Live Project yet?
USB support in the latter is rather new and for me it took some
fiddling, but in the end it ran just like a real Debian (mostly).

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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:55:51 -0500
rir <rirans@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:43:50AM +0530, Deboo ^ wrote:
> > Because I need to burn CDs at times and as far as I have knowledge,
> > Knoppix atleast won't let the CD out once booted.
>
> Use "knoppix toram" at the boot prompt.
>
>

the 'toram' is good if you have 1gb of memory. Though this may be for
using X with it, if you use the cheatcode '2' i.e., 'knoppix 2' it boots
with out X and is quite useable, will burn dvd-r, cd-r etc. Maybe
'knoppix 2 toram' would do it.

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On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 00:26 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote:
> Well,
> Firstly, the cybercafe guy knows me well and I installed and
> configuerd a debian firewall for him so he's quite friendly with me
> :-)
>
> Secondly, I haven't yet seen a PC bogged up due to installing or
> uninstalling Linux. Does that happen? And how many such cases exist?
>
> Thanks again to the guys above who gave the Linux Puppy link and about
> the usb stick Linux - which distro goes in to a USB stick?
>
> Regards,
> Deboo
>
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> On 2/27/07, Matthew K Poer <matthewpoer@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I gotta tell you guys, I wouldn't install/alter an OS on a PC that
> > wasn't mine. You're asking for trouble if something goes wrong.
> >
> > I'm not saying you couldn't do this and get away with it, but the
> > dreadful *what if* something went wrong and you couldn't restore
> > Windows? Would the shop hold you accountable? An uppity clerk who didn't
> > understand that Windows was still there, just couldn't accessed, might
> > get angry. It's probably the worst case scenerio, but why risk it?
> >
> > Instead of fully installing Debian on the machine, why not just boot
> > Knoppix or (my fav.) DSL? It's quick, it doesn't touch Windows at all,
> > no one will every possibly know it was there once you reboot.
> > --
> > Matthew K Poer
>
>

Well if you have the trust and permission of the owner, go for it! I was
only concerned with the possibility of not being to fix the MBR, which
is what I meant by not being able to restore Windows. (note I am not
questioning your abilities, just being extra precautions).

As far as USB Drive that will boot into Linux, DSL (Demo-Sized
Linux/Damn Small Linux) is a Knoppix-Based LiveCD that is 50 megabytes
in size, and is thusly very lightweight and efficient. It can also be
put on a USB drive if a computer's BIOS support booting in that way.

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Thanks for the concern and warning though. I didn't take it
negatively. Just that I haven't seen a Linux installation corrupting
the other OS.

The worst that could happen is what? Partitions getting deleted or is
there anything else more devasting and disastrous and unrecoverable?

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> Well if you have the trust and permission of the owner, go for it! I was
> only concerned with the possibility of not being to fix the MBR, which
> is what I meant by not being able to restore Windows. (note I am not
> questioning your abilities, just being extra precautions).
>
> As far as USB Drive that will boot into Linux, DSL (Demo-Sized
> Linux/Damn Small Linux) is a Knoppix-Based LiveCD that is 50 megabytes
> in size, and is thusly very lightweight and efficient. It can also be
> put on a USB drive if a computer's BIOS support booting in that way.
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On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 01:21 +0530, Deboo ^ wrote:
> Thanks for the concern and warning though. I didn't take it
> negatively. Just that I haven't seen a Linux installation corrupting
> the other OS.
>
> The worst that could happen is what? Partitions getting deleted or is
> there anything else more devasting and disastrous and unrecoverable?
>
> Regards,
> Deboo
>
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> > Well if you have the trust and permission of the owner, go for it! I was
> > only concerned with the possibility of not being to fix the MBR, which
> > is what I meant by not being able to restore Windows. (note I am not
> > questioning your abilities, just being extra precautions).
> >
> > As far as USB Drive that will boot into Linux, DSL (Demo-Sized
> > Linux/Damn Small Linux) is a Knoppix-Based LiveCD that is 50 megabytes
> > in size, and is thusly very lightweight and efficient. It can also be
> > put on a USB drive if a computer's BIOS support booting in that way.
> >
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>
>
Worst case scenerio if you don't have permission: You accidently delete
a partition, and can't seem to recover it. The owner, sensing your
distress, checks on you, discovers the computer will not boot, quickly
labels you a 'hacker' and calls his the cops. Your arresting officer is
the owner's brother. You are 'made an example of' by the judge (the
owner's cousin), and sentenced to a few years of federal prison. The
shop owner called Geek Squad and paid $300 to have his NTFS partition
recovered by a $100 piece of software.Your family is devastated, your
wife and kids become depressed. Your dog dies while you are away. Your
life as you knew it is destroyed.

Worst case scenerio if you have permission: You accidently delete a
partition, or just the MBR, and can't recover. The owner, sensing your
distress, checks on you, discovers the computer will not boot, and asks
you to fix it. You go home, Google around a bit, ask for advice on
debian-user, and go back the next day to fix your mistake. Perhaps you
get a discount coffee or pastry. Life is dandy, rejoice.

Like I said, if you have permission, go for it!
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 14:55:51 -0500, rir wrote in message
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> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:43:50AM +0530, Deboo ^ wrote:
> > Because I need to burn CDs at times and as far as I have knowledge,
> > Knoppix atleast won't let the CD out once booted.
>
> Use "knoppix toram" at the boot prompt.

..."dsl toram" works on 64MB boxes.

...also possible to put knoppix et al on harddisk with
"knoppix tohd=/dev/which/is/set/up/as/\/tmp".


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