Hi,
A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
system. On Debian lists, someone mentioned that meld, a GUI diff
utility, was killer. I can't think of any I have because I moved to
GNU/Linux for its said overall magnificence, instead of a particular
application, and today there's isn't one utility I admire so much I'd
consider such... maybe gnome-terminal, lsof, grep, top,
epiphany-browser, or less. I'd mention admirance for Blender, GCC,
Python but they are cross-platform. I'd mention GNOME, but it's a 100
apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?


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On 11/30/06, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
> system. On Debian lists, someone mentioned that meld, a GUI diff
> utility, was killer. I can't think of any I have because I moved to
> GNU/Linux for its said overall magnificence, instead of a particular
> application, and today there's isn't one utility I admire so much I'd
> consider such... maybe gnome-terminal, lsof, grep, top,
> epiphany-browser, or less. I'd mention admirance for Blender, GCC,
> Python but they are cross-platform. I'd mention GNOME, but it's a 100
> apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?

Howdy,

Well, in my opinion a "killer" app is a useful app. Something that you
would have a hard time living without. My "killer" app is the humble
and often overlooked StarDict.

Cheers,

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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?

aptitude, of course, if one has to name but one.

just compare that to yast, windoze-update, whatever...

Johannes


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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe escribe:
> A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
> system. On Debian lists, someone mentioned that meld, a GUI diff
> utility, was killer. I can't think of any I have because I moved to
> GNU/Linux for its said overall magnificence, instead of a particular
> application, and today there's isn't one utility I admire so much I'd
> consider such... maybe gnome-terminal, lsof, grep, top,
> epiphany-browser, or less. I'd mention admirance for Blender, GCC,
> Python but they are cross-platform. I'd mention GNOME, but it's a 100
> apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?

You can compile GNOME using Cygwin on Windows and also on OS X, so
it's not a happy example of "killer app" that forces you to use Linux.

IMHO the "killer app" is ALSA plus JACK. ALSA are drivers for audio
cards allowing profesional like low latency even using low grade
soundcards embedded on motherboards. JACK allows to interconnect audio
applications, where audio output of any app can be used as audio input
of any other. Audio software lovers can think of it as a system-wide
Reason.

AFAIK JACK can be used on OS X systems. ALSA is Linux specific.

Cross-OS interoperability is nowadays a trend so less and less apps
can be considered "killer" on this sense.

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On 11/30/06 05:14, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
> system. On Debian lists, someone mentioned that meld, a GUI diff
> utility, was killer. I can't think of any I have because I moved to
> GNU/Linux for its said overall magnificence, instead of a particular
> application, and today there's isn't one utility I admire so much I'd
> consider such... maybe gnome-terminal, lsof, grep, top,
> epiphany-browser, or less. I'd mention admirance for Blender, GCC,
> Python but they are cross-platform. I'd mention GNOME, but it's a 100
> apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?

No killer *app*. Security is killer, but that's hard to see.

For me, the CLI is killer.

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Hello Tshepang!

> A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
> system. On Debian lists, someone mentioned that meld, a GUI diff
> utility, was killer. I can't think of any I have because I moved to
> GNU/Linux for its said overall magnificence, instead of a particular
> application, and today there's isn't one utility I admire so much I'd
> consider such... maybe gnome-terminal, lsof, grep, top,
> epiphany-browser, or less. I'd mention admirance for Blender, GCC,
> Python but they are cross-platform. I'd mention GNOME, but it's a 100
> apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?
There are two sides of a killer application. One side is:
- the useful one: vim, xmms, muttng, suspend-to-...

- the apps which make me sad: firefox, VMWare, synaptics.

But the real killer are my kids. I do not know how they able to crash
the computer but they do it. My son destroy my x server and I have to
remove and reinstall the complete stuff.

CU

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Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> writes:

> No killer *app*. Security is killer, but that's hard to see.
>
> For me, the CLI is killer.

I'm not sure CLI could be considered a killer for GNU/Linux systems,
since the *BSD systems have no more or less powerful CLI.

I would thinkg a killer app for a system would be unique for that
system. I can't really think of an app that would be unique to GNU/Linux
(that wouldn't also work on other unix systems). Maybe something like
FUSE?

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On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 01:14:34PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:

[...]
> So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?

First thought: mutt. (which would be even better if I hadn't broken
exim4, so I'm reading d-u on mutt and replying via squirrelmail!)

On second thoughts, ghostscript and friends. My wife called me this
morning from London to ask how to make a pdf from her m$word at work.
Easy: take the file home and read it into any Linux app. Definitely the
fact that _any_ app in Linux can write ps or pdf is one of the killer
features. Which makes my killer app:
ps2pdf

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For me, the "killer app" for Linux is its ability to be a very secure proxy/gateway system. Take an older system, two different fast ethernet net cards, a linux distribution, and a firewall script for IPtables and you have a proxy gateway system that allows you to run a network off a single DSL or cable modem connection. After doing this, I became interested in Linux as a desktop. After learning how to configure should with Alsaconf, I have set up a system to burn CDs with Gnometoaster (usefull when your older hardware has a cd-burner but no roxio to go with it) and rip CDs with GRIP. Linux also has security tools like ,Nessus, NMAP and other so you can make sure that the rest of your systems are secure. You even have OpenOffice so you can do some work from you MS dominated job environment in a pinch.

John L Fjellstad <john-debian@fjellstad.org> wrote: Ron Johnson writes:

> No killer *app*. Security is killer, but that's hard to see.
>
> For me, the CLI is killer.

I'm not sure CLI could be considered a killer for GNU/Linux systems,
since the *BSD systems have no more or less powerful CLI.

I would thinkg a killer app for a system would be unique for that
system. I can't really think of an app that would be unique to GNU/Linux
(that wouldn't also work on other unix systems). Maybe something like
FUSE?

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On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 01:14:34PM +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
> system. On Debian lists, someone mentioned that meld, a GUI diff
> utility, was killer. I can't think of any I have because I moved to
> GNU/Linux for its said overall magnificence, instead of a particular
> application, and today there's isn't one utility I admire so much I'd
> consider such... maybe gnome-terminal, lsof, grep, top,
> epiphany-browser, or less. I'd mention admirance for Blender, GCC,
> Python but they are cross-platform. I'd mention GNOME, but it's a 100
> apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?
>
>
The *N*X working environment presented to the debian user as bash.

When all hell breaks loose, the ability to access the box from the
command-line-of-last-resort: the serial port, running init=/bin/sh.
Can't do that on anything else.

Doug.


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On 11/30/06 08:19, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> writes:
>
>> No killer *app*. Security is killer, but that's hard to see.
>>
>> For me, the CLI is killer.
>
> I'm not sure CLI could be considered a killer for GNU/Linux systems,
> since the *BSD systems have no more or less powerful CLI.

Well, sure. If FreeBSD had been easy to install in year 2000, had a
large community, and apps like Netscape (or was Mozilla released by
then?) then I maybe would have tried FreeBSD.

> I would thinkg a killer app for a system would be unique for that
> system. I can't really think of an app that would be unique to GNU/Linux
> (that wouldn't also work on other unix systems). Maybe something like
> FUSE?

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On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 12:22 +0100, Brian Durant wrote:
> On 11/30/06, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...] a "killer" app is a useful app. Something that you
> would have a hard time living without.
> [...]
> Cheers,
>
> Brian
>
>

Octave for me, no doubt!

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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
> system. On Debian lists, someone mentioned that meld, a GUI diff
> utility, was killer. I can't think of any I have because I moved to
> GNU/Linux for its said overall magnificence, instead of a particular
> application, and today there's isn't one utility I admire so much I'd
> consider such... maybe gnome-terminal, lsof, grep, top,
> epiphany-browser, or less. I'd mention admirance for Blender, GCC,
> Python but they are cross-platform. I'd mention GNOME, but it's a 100
> apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?
>
>

The kernel.

Without it, I wouldn't be here.

:-)

Nate


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Nate Duehr wrote:
> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
>> Hi,
>> A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
>> system. On Debian lists, someone mentioned that meld, a GUI diff
>> utility, was killer. I can't think of any I have because I moved to
>> GNU/Linux for its said overall magnificence, instead of a particular
>> application, and today there's isn't one utility I admire so much I'd
>> consider such... maybe gnome-terminal, lsof, grep, top,
>> epiphany-browser, or less. I'd mention admirance for Blender, GCC,
>> Python but they are cross-platform. I'd mention GNOME, but it's a 100
>> apps. So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?
>>
>>
>
> The kernel.
>
> Without it, I wouldn't be here.
>
> :-)
>
> Nate
Okay, I can top that: The GPL.

:-) twice.

-Matthew


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On Thursday 30 November 2006 10:18, richard@the-place.net wrote:
> On second thoughts, ghostscript and friends. My wife called me this
> morning from London to ask how to make a pdf from her m$word at work.
> Easy: take the file home and read it into any Linux app. Definitely the
> fact that _any_ app in Linux can write ps or pdf is one of the killer
> features. Which makes my killer app:
> ps2pdf

Blah, install pdf writer under Windows. As easy as kprinter.

There is no "killer app for linux"...if you mean a killer free software app,
then firefox or openoffice.

"Linux" is really just a convenient, nearly-crashfree environ where we have
total control. You can piece together most things on BSD or even Windows.


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Brendan wrote:
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 10:18, richard@the-place.net wrote:
>
>>On second thoughts, ghostscript and friends. My wife called me this
>>morning from London to ask how to make a pdf from her m$word at work.
>>Easy: take the file home and read it into any Linux app. Definitely the
>>fact that _any_ app in Linux can write ps or pdf is one of the killer
>>features. Which makes my killer app:
>> ps2pdf
>
>
> Blah, install pdf writer under Windows. As easy as kprinter.

You mean pdf writer from Adobe?
http://www.adobe.com/support/downloa...atform=Windows



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* Tshepang Lekhonkhobe <tshepang@gmail.com> [2006 Nov 30 05:17 -0600]:

> So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?

The Linux kernel is the killer app because of the wide range of
hardware it runs on which brings a fairly consistent operating
environment to whatever hardware it is running on. Linux has proven
the validity of the GPL.

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Brendan wrote:
> On Thursday 30 November 2006 10:18, richard@the-place.net wrote:
>
> Blah, install pdf writer under Windows. As easy as kprinter.

Do you mean like 'aptitude install kprinter'?

> There is no "killer app for linux"...if you mean a killer free software app,
> then firefox or openoffice.

As I said before the killer application of Debian Gnu/Linux is aptitude.
I can install thousands of applications, keep all of them up-to-date
including security updates, etc.

Even if the functionality of each individual package could be achieved
with other OSes, installation, security, and maintainence of a large
number of applications is unparalleled.

My 2ct,
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Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> Hi,
> A killer app is an application that compels one to use a certain
> system.
> ...

Have to disagree with your definition - for me, a killer app is one that
makes it dramatically easier to accomplish some end, but that, in the
best spirit of GNU and Linux, promotes openness by being cross platform.

High on my list are VNC, OpenOffice Calc, Firefox...

Jeff


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On 11/30/06 13:08, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
> Brendan wrote:
>> On Thursday 30 November 2006 10:18, richard@the-place.net wrote:[
[snip]
> As I said before the killer application of Debian Gnu/Linux is aptitude.
> I can install thousands of applications, keep all of them up-to-date
> including security updates, etc.

Bah!

Real Men use apt-get. (Traditionalists use dselect.)

> Even if the functionality of each individual package could be achieved
> with other OSes, installation, security, and maintainence of a large
> number of applications is unparalleled.



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On 11/30/06 11:27, Nate Duehr wrote:
> Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
[snip]
>
> The kernel.
>
> Without it, I wouldn't be here.

FreeBSD and OpenBSD would do most tasks just as well.

The *real* killer "app" was Linus' decision to develop Linux openly.

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On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 10:08 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Well, sure. If FreeBSD had been easy to install in year 2000, had a
> large community, and apps like Netscape (or was Mozilla released by
> then?) then I maybe would have tried FreeBSD.

They had, actually. I remember going to an internet cafe while on
holiday in December 2000. I was surprised to see they were running some
flavour of BSD (I think FreeBSD but I'm not sure) with Netscape
Navigator.

Hans


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On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 13:14 +0200, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote:
> So I give up and ask you, what's your killer app(s)?

1. Postfix.

2. Amarok.

Yes, both run on other *nix, so it's not strictly Linux, but in both
cases the authors were very clear that they have no plans to make it run
on Windows.

Hans


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Amarok off course... and I'm a Gnome fan!!!

On 11/30/06, Hans du Plooy <koffiejunkielistlurker@koffiejunkie.za.net>
wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 10:08 -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Well, sure. If FreeBSD had been easy to install in year 2000, had a
> > large community, and apps like Netscape (or was Mozilla released by
> > then?) then I maybe would have tried FreeBSD.
>
> They had, actually. I remember going to an internet cafe while on
> holiday in December 2000. I was surprised to see they were running some
> flavour of BSD (I think FreeBSD but I'm not sure) with Netscape
> Navigator.
>
> Hans
>
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On Thu, Nov 30, 2006 at 02:30:54PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> The *real* killer "app" was Linus' decision to develop Linux openly.
>
I took a software engineering class where the professor maintained that
the only notable contribution that Linus Torvalds has made to the
programming/compsci/compeng world was figuring out how to make it
possible for hundreds of people to work on the same code base without
stepping all over each other.

I'm not sure if I agree with that being his *only* contribution, but it
sure is a good one nonetheless.

Regards,

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