Is this protocol described anywhere?

"James H. Newman" <NewJames@exicite.com> writes:

> Is this protocol described anywhere?

Probably the best place is the snail book.

http://www.snailbook.com/

But cribbed from putty's page, there are a number of related
standards, but no one good place so far as I can tell:

* RFC 4250: The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Assigned Numbers
* RFC 4251: The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Architecture
* RFC 4252: The Secure Shell (SSH) Authentication Protocol
* RFC 4253: The Secure Shell (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol
* RFC 4254: The Secure Shell (SSH) Connection Protocol
* RFC 4256: Generic Message Exchange Authentication for the Secure
Shell Protocol (SSH)
* RFC 4335: The Secure Shell (SSH) Session Channel Break Extension
* RFC 4344: The Secure Shell (SSH) Transport Layer Encryption
Modes (in part)
* RFC 4345: Improved Arcfour Modes for the Secure Shell (SSH)
Transport Layer Protocol
* RFC 4419: Diffie-Hellman Group Exchange for the Secure Shell
(SSH) Transport Layer Protocol
* RFC 4432: RSA Key Exchange for the Secure Shell (SSH) Transport
Layer Protocol
* RFC 4716: The Secure Shell (SSH) Public Key File Format
* IETF Secure Shell working group drafts:
o filexfer


Best Regards,
--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:15:15 -0500, Todd H. wrote:

> "James H. Newman" <NewJames@exicite.com> writes:
>
>> Is this protocol described anywhere?
>
> Probably the best place is the snail book.
>
> http://www.snailbook.com/
>
> But cribbed from putty's page, there are a number of related standards,
> but no one good place so far as I can tell:
>
> * RFC 4250: The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Assigned Numbers * RFC
> 4251: The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Architecture * RFC 4252: The
> Secure Shell (SSH) Authentication Protocol * RFC 4253: The Secure
> Shell (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol * RFC 4254: The Secure Shell
> (SSH) Connection Protocol * RFC 4256: Generic Message Exchange
> Authentication for the Secure
> Shell Protocol (SSH)
> * RFC 4335: The Secure Shell (SSH) Session Channel Break Extension *
> RFC 4344: The Secure Shell (SSH) Transport Layer Encryption
> Modes (in part)
> * RFC 4345: Improved Arcfour Modes for the Secure Shell (SSH)
> Transport Layer Protocol
> * RFC 4419: Diffie-Hellman Group Exchange for the Secure Shell
> (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol
> * RFC 4432: RSA Key Exchange for the Secure Shell (SSH) Transport
> Layer Protocol
> * RFC 4716: The Secure Shell (SSH) Public Key File Format * IETF
> Secure Shell working group drafts:
> o filexfer
>

Thanks. However, none of those documents have to do with the scp
protocol.

"James H. Newman" <NewJames@exicite.com> writes:

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:15:15 -0500, Todd H. wrote:
>
> > "James H. Newman" <NewJames@exicite.com> writes:
> >
> >> Is this protocol described anywhere?
> >
> > Probably the best place is the snail book.
> >
> > http://www.snailbook.com/
> >
> > But cribbed from putty's page, there are a number of related standards,
> > but no one good place so far as I can tell:
> >
> > * RFC 4250: The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Assigned Numbers * RFC
> > 4251: The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Architecture * RFC 4252: The
> > Secure Shell (SSH) Authentication Protocol * RFC 4253: The Secure
> > Shell (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol * RFC 4254: The Secure Shell
> > (SSH) Connection Protocol * RFC 4256: Generic Message Exchange
> > Authentication for the Secure
> > Shell Protocol (SSH)
> > * RFC 4335: The Secure Shell (SSH) Session Channel Break Extension *
> > RFC 4344: The Secure Shell (SSH) Transport Layer Encryption
> > Modes (in part)
> > * RFC 4345: Improved Arcfour Modes for the Secure Shell (SSH)
> > Transport Layer Protocol
> > * RFC 4419: Diffie-Hellman Group Exchange for the Secure Shell
> > (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol
> > * RFC 4432: RSA Key Exchange for the Secure Shell (SSH) Transport
> > Layer Protocol
> > * RFC 4716: The Secure Shell (SSH) Public Key File Format * IETF
> > Secure Shell working group drafts:
> > o filexfer
> >
>
> Thanks. However, none of those documents have to do with the scp
> protocol.

Which is why I started with suggesting the OReily book on SSH as your
best bet.

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:27:30 -0500, Todd H. wrote:

> "James H. Newman" <NewJames@exicite.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 10:15:15 -0500, Todd H. wrote:
>>
>> > "James H. Newman" <NewJames@exicite.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> Is this protocol described anywhere?
>> >
>> > Probably the best place is the snail book.
>> >
>> > http://www.snailbook.com/
>> >
>> > But cribbed from putty's page, there are a number of related
>> > standards, but no one good place so far as I can tell:
>> >
>> > * RFC 4250: The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Assigned Numbers *
>> > RFC 4251: The Secure Shell (SSH) Protocol Architecture * RFC
>> > 4252: The Secure Shell (SSH) Authentication Protocol * RFC 4253:
>> > The Secure Shell (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol * RFC 4254: The
>> > Secure Shell (SSH) Connection Protocol * RFC 4256: Generic
>> > Message Exchange Authentication for the Secure
>> > Shell Protocol (SSH)
>> > * RFC 4335: The Secure Shell (SSH) Session Channel Break
>> > Extension * RFC 4344: The Secure Shell (SSH) Transport Layer
>> > Encryption
>> > Modes (in part)
>> > * RFC 4345: Improved Arcfour Modes for the Secure Shell (SSH)
>> > Transport Layer Protocol
>> > * RFC 4419: Diffie-Hellman Group Exchange for the Secure Shell
>> > (SSH) Transport Layer Protocol
>> > * RFC 4432: RSA Key Exchange for the Secure Shell (SSH) Transport
>> > Layer Protocol
>> > * RFC 4716: The Secure Shell (SSH) Public Key File Format * IETF
>> > Secure Shell working group drafts:
>> > o filexfer
>> >
>> >
>> Thanks. However, none of those documents have to do with the scp
>> protocol.
>
> Which is why I started with suggesting the OReily book on SSH as your
> best bet.


Thanks again. The snail book doesn't have much to say about the
scp protocol itself, other than it is little more than rcp over SSH. It
would seem that there are no written documents for either scp or rcp.

"James H. Newman" <NewJames@exicite.com> writes:
> Thanks again. The snail book doesn't have much to say about the
>scp protocol itself, other than it is little more than rcp over SSH. It
>would seem that there are no written documents for either scp or rcp.

Mostly because there isn't much to say. There's not really a protocol.
It just opens up an rsh | cp across the network and thats about it.

There's going to be 3-4 open-source versions of rcp out there, in
addition to the couple SSH package sources. This is one of those times
where the source documents the protocol.

Doug McIntyre <merlyn@geeks.org> wrote:
> Mostly because there isn't much to say. There's not really a protocol.
> It just opens up an rsh | cp across the network and thats about it.

There certainly is a protocol. There's a method of transmitting
error codes, a method of transmitting file permissions, a procedure
for recursing into subdirectories, a method (appallingly badly
specified) for requesting multiple files from the destination via a
wildcard ... There's plenty of stuff that could perfectly sensibly
(and should) be documented. It's just that, as far as I'm aware,
nobody has done.

> There's going to be 3-4 open-source versions of rcp out there, in
> addition to the couple SSH package sources. This is one of those times
> where the source documents the protocol.

Unfortunately, this is indeed the best way I know of to learn about
old-style scp.
--
Simon Tatham "I thought I'd put my foot so far into my mouth I
<anakin@pobox.com> wouldn't be able to sit down without standing up."

Ref: <4696ba5c$0$79264$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.octanew s.com> de Doug McIntyre
<merlyn@geeks.org>
>
>Mostly because there isn't much to say. There's not really a protocol.
>It just opens up an rsh | cp across the network and thats about it.


Since some non un*x based systems support scp as a server (multinet ssh for
OpenVMS for example) [even if I imagine that those systems mimics un*x in those
case], I suppose that the conversation between client and server should be
somehow formalized to succeed.
--
Gilles "Cool Raoul" - http://coolraoul.cvp-net.com/