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Vieux 18/08/2006, 23h44   #1
john yeo
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Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:
>> john yeo <newsgroups@johnyeo.com> (06-08-15 17:14:21):
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>>> enforce key+password logins

>> Using public key authentication is fully appropriate, if your key
>> itself is protected by a passphrase. In some environments it would
>> even be harmful to use password authentication, too, because someone
>> may somehow intercept your login password, and thus be able to log in
>> locally (i.e. not via SSH).

>
> Note that this is *impossible* to enforce, unless you can scan the user's
> home machines and anywhere they can log into for keys without passphrases.
> It's a long-term vulnerability of SSH.
>
>


its should be possible to generate the keypair with a suitable
passphrase and set up the ssh dir so that the user cant change his key,
or add any passphrase-less keys. then provide the user with the private
key and passphrase.
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Vieux 19/08/2006, 00h22   #2
Richard E. Silverman
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>>>>> "NKG" == Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net> writes:

NKG> "john yeo" <newsgroups@johnyeo.com> wrote in message
NKG> news:yprFg.13283$fV1.4838@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.u k...
>> Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>>> Ertugrul Soeylemez wrote:
>>>> john yeo <newsgroups@johnyeo.com> (06-08-15 17:14:21):
>>>>
>>>>> enforce key+password logins
>>>> Using public key authentication is fully appropriate, if your key
>>>> itself is protected by a passphrase. In some environments it
>>>> would even be harmful to use password authentication, too,
>>>> because someone may somehow intercept your login password, and
>>>> thus be able to log in locally (i.e. not via SSH).
>>> Note that this is *impossible* to enforce, unless you can scan
>>> the user's home machines and anywhere they can log into for keys
>>> without passphrases. It's a long-term vulnerability of SSH.
>>>
>>>

>> its should be possible to generate the keypair with a suitable
>> passphrase and set up the ssh dir so that the user cant change his
>> key, or add any passphrase-less keys. then provide the user with
>> the private key and passphrase.


NKG> The user can then remove the passphrase from the key at
NKG> whim. Unless you can search their computers for un-passphraed
NKG> keys, you can't enforce this.

Not only that, but it's a very bad idea for the sysadmin to know
everyone's passphrase, and to not let people choose or change their own.

--
Richard Silverman
res@qoxp.net

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