I'm running a survey to find out what tools Ruby and Rails people
use. Explanation and (soon) results at http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/
When/200x/2007/11/20/Ruby-IDE-Survey - the survey itself is at

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?s...DiuGhL0w_3d_3d

I'm not really well Rails-connected. Could I ask someone, as a
favor, to relay the pointers over to Rails mailing-list land?

Thanks in advance, Tim

On Nov 20, 2007 3:38 PM, Tim Bray <Tim.Bray@sun.com> wrote:
> I'm running a survey to find out what tools Ruby and Rails people
> use. Explanation and (soon) results at http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/
> When/200x/2007/11/20/Ruby-IDE-Survey - the survey itself is at
>
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?s...DiuGhL0w_3d_3d
>
> I'm not really well Rails-connected. Could I ask someone, as a
> favor, to relay the pointers over to Rails mailing-list land?
>
> Thanks in advance, Tim

Well I took the survey but found it unsatisfying.

1) I'm a rails person who also does significant non-rails ruby
programming, but that wasn't an option.

2) Not a very wide tool selection, only editiors and an ide or two.
What about other tools, like rdebug, rspec, test/unit, .......

The overall ruby tools picture is broader than this. It's reminiscent
of a video recently published by one of the Smalltalk vendors which
compared the Smalltalk IDE to plain vanilla Rails development
following an introductory tutorial. While I'm sympathetic to the
Smalltalk POV, ruby/rails toolage HAS progressed past the early 80s.

--
Rick DeNatale

My blog on Ruby
http://talklikeaduck.denhaven2.com/

> Well I took the survey but found it unsatisfying.
> --
> Rick DeNatale

Agreed. I'd be curious to see a much more comprehensive survey.
Testing behavior, operating systems, alternate interpreters (jruby),
GUIs, web servers. Sure, you can get a pretty good sense from the
mailing list, but you gotta love statistics.

Daniel Brumbaugh Keeney

On Nov 20, 3:38 pm, Tim Bray <Tim.B...@Sun.COM> wrote:
> I'm running a survey to find out what tools Ruby and Rails people
> use. Explanation and (soon) results athttp://www.tbray.org/ongoing/
> When/200x/2007/11/20/Ruby-IDE-Survey - the survey itself is at
>
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?s...DiuGhL0w_3d_3d
>
> I'm not really well Rails-connected. Could I ask someone, as a
> favor, to relay the pointers over to Rails mailing-list land?
>
> Thanks in advance, Tim

I agree that the survey was limited, but why would one need anything
besides vim for Ruby development?

Let us know here when the results are up.

On Nov 20, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Tim Bray wrote:

> I'm running a survey to find out what tools Ruby and Rails people
> use. Explanation and (soon) results at http://www.tbray.org/
> ongoing/When/200x/2007/11/20/Ruby-IDE-Survey - the survey itself is at
>
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?s...DiuGhL0w_3d_3d
>
> I'm not really well Rails-connected. Could I ask someone, as a
> favor, to relay the pointers over to Rails mailing-list land?
>
> Thanks in advance, Tim

i get this posting comments:

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my comment:

"It is annoying to have to pick: I do a ton of both rails and non-
rails work. I also do a ton of non-ruby work. I also work on vax,
solaris, linux, osx and windows. That's why vim is the only choice -
only it handles all this with aplomb whether locally or via a slow
ssh connection. Vim + screen is the universal ide."


regards.

a @ http://codeforpeople.com/
--
we can deny everything, except that we have the possibility of being
better. simply reflect on that.
h.h. the 14th dalai lama

On Nov 21, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Brian Adkins wrote:

> I agree that the survey was limited, but why would one need anything
> besides vim for Ruby development?

i also *need* screen. because i worked remotely on at least a dozen
machines over the course of a given week i find it critical to be to
detach a vim session and pick up where i left off and also to
multiplex terminals, otherwise i'd have 30 or more open. screen +
vim is the ultimate ide, it even works with c and fortran. gasp!

a @ http://codeforpeople.com/
--
it is not enough to be compassionate. you must act.
h.h. the 14th dalai lama

On 11/20/07, Rick DeNatale <rick.denatale@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I took the survey but found it unsatisfying.
>
> 1) I'm a rails person who also does significant non-rails ruby
> programming, but that wasn't an option.



> 2) Not a very wide tool selection, only editiors and an ide or two.
> What about other tools, like rdebug, rspec, test/unit, .......

Tim's blog provides a bit more context:

At Sun, I'm in the Developer Tools group. Someone asked "Which tools
does the Ruby gang use, anyhow?" I said "Hmm, TextMate, Emacs, Vi,
recently some Eclipse and NetBeans." They said "How do you know?" I
said "Uh." They said "Why don't you ask?" So I am. Drop by the Ruby
Tool Survey and let's find out. There are only two questions; if it takes
you more than fifteen seconds there's something wrong. I promise to
publish all the results in full right here in this entry once I have them
at the end of the month.

http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/20...uby-IDE-Survey

It's imperfect and limited, but it's not supposed to be a State of the
Developer, but a temperature gauge and that's it.

-austin
--
Austin Ziegler * halostatue@gmail.com * http://www.halostatue.ca/
* austin@halostatue.ca * http://www.halostatue.ca/feed/
* austin@zieglers.ca

On Nov 21, 11:01 am, "ara.t.howard" <ara.t.how...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 21, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Brian Adkins wrote:
>
> > I agree that the survey was limited, but why would one need anything
> > besides vim for Ruby development?
>
> i also *need* screen. because i worked remotely on at least a dozen
> machines over the course of a given week i find it critical to be to
> detach a vim session and pick up where i left off and also to
> multiplex terminals, otherwise i'd have 30 or more open. screen +
> vim is the ultimate ide, it even works with c and fortran. gasp!

Nice tip on screen. My need is not as great, but there have been times
when it would've been useful, so I just read up on it.