Re: IronRuby

13/09/2007, 19h18

On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:57:50PM +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote:
> Bill Kelly wrote:
> >So long as they are using a genuine open source license--which
> >it sounds like they are--I'm hard pressed to imagine any
> >catastrophic consequences from their efforts?
>
> I'd love some clarification on that end of things. The core classes are
> really public and you can contribute to them. The runtime (DLR plus some
> IronRuby internals) seem to be public but you can't contribute to it.
> And then of course Microsoft's CLR impl is not open source. I respect
> what John's trying to do opening up this project, but I worry about an
> OSS project built on progressively more closed foundations.

I don't know that "progressively more" really fits here -- but the
foundations are certainly closed (as John pointed out). That's what you
get when you develop for MS Windows. There are no two ways about that.
Unfortunately, people still need to develop for MS Windows from time to
time -- and doing so can actually provide some opportunity for people to
grow to appreciate things that are available other than on MS Windows,
particularly with cross-platform applications, so overall I think
IronRuby might serve to provide some impetus for some people to get out
of that rut.

On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on closed
foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source
development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really see
people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Java
VM.

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Leon Festinger: "A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him
you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts and figures and he questions
your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point."

13/09/2007, 19h22

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:18:34 +0900, Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote:
> Despite this, I don't really see people complaining about the closed
> foundations represented by the Java VM.

Some people did complain quite a lot, until Java was finally opened[1].

-mental

---

[1] No causal relationship implied.

14/09/2007, 02h26

Chad Perrin wrote:
> On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on closed
> foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source
> development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really see
> people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Java
> VM.
Yes, but after years of negotiations with literally hundreds of
stakeholders, Sun was able to open those foundations. Perhaps a similar
thing could happen with CLR.

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Quoth M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on Thursday 13 September 2007 06:26:43 pm:
> Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on clos=
ed
> > foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source
> > development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really see
> > people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Java
> > VM.
> Yes, but after years of negotiations with literally hundreds of
> stakeholders, Sun was able to open those foundations. Perhaps a similar
> thing could happen with CLR.

It's Microsoft. Unlikely.

=2D-=20
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On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 10:36 +0900, Konrad Meyer wrote:

> Quoth M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on Thursday 13 September 2007 06:26:43 pm:
> > Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on cl=
osed
> > > foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source
> > > development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really =
see
> > > people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Ja=
va
> > > VM.
> > Yes, but after years of negotiations with literally hundreds of
> > stakeholders, Sun was able to open those foundations. Perhaps a similar
> > thing could happen with CLR.
>=20
> It's Microsoft. Unlikely.

Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as
how it's standardized and all:
http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-335.htm.

--=20
Michael T. Richter <ttmrichter@gmail.com> (GoogleTalk:
ttmrichter@gmail.com)
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people to work. (Peter Drucker)

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On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 10:36 +0900, Konrad Meyer wrote:
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<PRE>
Quoth M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on Thursday 13 Septemb=
er 2007 06:26:43 pm:
> Chad Perrin wrote:
> > On a similar note: The idea of open sourc=
e software being built on closed
> > foundations sounds a lot like what has be=
en going on with open source
> > development in Java for several years. D=
espite this, I don't really see
> > people complaining about the closed found=
ations represented by the Java
> > VM.
> Yes, but after years of negotiations with lite=
rally hundreds of
> stakeholders, Sun was able to open those found=
ations. Perhaps a similar
> thing could happen with CLR.

It's Microsoft. Unlikely.
</PRE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
<PRE>

</PRE>
Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as how=
it's standardized and all: <A HREF=3D"http://www.ecma-international.org/pu=
blications/standards/Ecma-335.htm">http://www.ecma-international.org/public=
ations/standards/Ecma-335.htm</A>. 
 
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On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 13:08 +0900, John Lam (CLR) wrote:

> > From: Michael T. Richter [mailto:ttmrichter@gmail.com]
> >
> > Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as=
how it's standardized
> > and all: http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...andards/Ecma-=
335.htm.
>=20
> You mean Mono (or maybe I missed a smiley)? http://www.mono-project.com/=
Main_Page

Nah, I missed the smiley. My mistake. Mono. Gnu.NET. A couple of
others. I rather doubt that IronRuby, by virtue of being CLRed, is
going to lock the world into MS even if MS somehow gets to Matz and
wrests control of Ruby away from him.

--=20
Michael T. Richter <ttmrichter@gmail.com> (GoogleTalk:
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On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 13:08 +0900, John Lam (CLR) wrote:
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<PRE>
> From: Michael T. Richter [mailto:<A HREF=3D"ma=
ilto:ttmrichter@gmail.com">ttmrichter@gmail.com</A>]
>
> Of course someone could just make a GPLed vers=
ion of the CLR, seeing as how it's standardized
> and all: <A HREF=3D"http://www.ecma-internatio=
nal.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm">http://www.ecma-international.=
org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm</A>.

 You mean Mono (or maybe I missed a smiley)? <A HRE=
F=3D"http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page">http://www.mono-project.com/Mai=
n_Page</A>
</PRE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
 
Nah, I missed the smiley.  My mistake.  Mono.  Gnu.NET.&nbsp=
; A couple of others.  I rather doubt that IronRuby, by virtue of bein=
g CLRed, is going to lock the world into MS even if MS somehow gets to Matz=
and wrests control of Ruby away from him. 
 
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14/09/2007, 17h36

On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:57:15PM +0900, Michael T. Richter wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 10:36 +0900, Konrad Meyer wrote:
>
> > Quoth M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on Thursday 13 September 2007 06:26:43 pm:
> > > Chad Perrin wrote:
> > > > On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on closed
> > > > foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source
> > > > development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really see
> > > > people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Java
> > > > VM.
> > > Yes, but after years of negotiations with literally hundreds of
> > > stakeholders, Sun was able to open those foundations. Perhaps a similar
> > > thing could happen with CLR.
> >
> > It's Microsoft. Unlikely.
>
> Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as
> how it's standardized and all:
> http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-335.htm.

. . or better yet, an implementation with a better license than the
GPL. (Why exactly does everyone always assume that "open source" must
mean GPL?)

--
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Marvin Minsky: "It's just incredible that a trillion-synapse computer could
actually spend Saturday afternoon watching a football game."

29/09/2007, 20h18

Michael T. Richter wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 10:36 +0900, Konrad Meyer wrote:
>
>>
>> It's Microsoft. Unlikely.
>
>
>
> Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as
> how it's standardized and all:
> http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-335.htm.

In case you're not aware of it, see the following project:

http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

This is a project to create an open source version and has been around
for some time now.
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13/09/2007, 19h18	#1
Chad Perrin Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: IronRuby On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 04:57:50PM +0900, Charles Oliver Nutter wrote: > Bill Kelly wrote: > >So long as they are using a genuine open source license--which > >it sounds like they are--I'm hard pressed to imagine any > >catastrophic consequences from their efforts? > > I'd love some clarification on that end of things. The core classes are > really public and you can contribute to them. The runtime (DLR plus some > IronRuby internals) seem to be public but you can't contribute to it. > And then of course Microsoft's CLR impl is not open source. I respect > what John's trying to do opening up this project, but I worry about an > OSS project built on progressively more closed foundations. I don't know that "progressively more" really fits here -- but the foundations are certainly closed (as John pointed out). That's what you get when you develop for MS Windows. There are no two ways about that. Unfortunately, people still need to develop for MS Windows from time to time -- and doing so can actually provide some opportunity for people to grow to appreciate things that are available other than on MS Windows, particularly with cross-platform applications, so overall I think IronRuby might serve to provide some impetus for some people to get out of that rut. On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on closed foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really see people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Java VM. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Leon Festinger: "A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts and figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point."

13/09/2007, 19h22	#2
MenTaLguY Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: IronRuby On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:18:34 +0900, Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com> wrote: > Despite this, I don't really see people complaining about the closed > foundations represented by the Java VM. Some people did complain quite a lot, until Java was finally opened[1]. -mental --- [1] No causal relationship implied.

14/09/2007, 02h26	#3
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: IronRuby Chad Perrin wrote: > On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on closed > foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source > development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really see > people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Java > VM. Yes, but after years of negotiations with literally hundreds of stakeholders, Sun was able to open those foundations. Perhaps a similar thing could happen with CLR.

14/09/2007, 02h36	#4
Konrad Meyer Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: IronRuby --nextPart3712237.X26elF3fO3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Quoth M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on Thursday 13 September 2007 06:26:43 pm: > Chad Perrin wrote: > > On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on clos= ed > > foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source > > development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really see > > people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Java > > VM. > Yes, but after years of negotiations with literally hundreds of > stakeholders, Sun was able to open those foundations. Perhaps a similar > thing could happen with CLR. It's Microsoft. Unlikely. =2D-=20 Konrad Meyer <konrad@tylerc.org> http://konrad.sobertillnoon.com/ --nextPart3712237.X26elF3fO3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG6eWqCHB0oCiR2cwRAibKAKCJfP18qBiIdYSR8vx3HO DTk2CSdwCgi8hr zhdAkeAuxqkf01JHWGAenK4= =rl8W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3712237.X26elF3fO3--

14/09/2007, 04h57	#5
Michael T. Richter Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: IronRuby --=-HPyHPI460HBLzfzHfING Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-pflADJm/7dhYEO1+r89L" --=-pflADJm/7dhYEO1+r89L Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 10:36 +0900, Konrad Meyer wrote: > Quoth M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on Thursday 13 September 2007 06:26:43 pm: > > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on cl= osed > > > foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source > > > development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really = see > > > people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Ja= va > > > VM. > > Yes, but after years of negotiations with literally hundreds of > > stakeholders, Sun was able to open those foundations. Perhaps a similar > > thing could happen with CLR. >=20 > It's Microsoft. Unlikely. Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as how it's standardized and all: http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-335.htm. --=20 Michael T. Richter <ttmrichter@gmail.com> (GoogleTalk: ttmrichter@gmail.com) So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for people to work. (Peter Drucker) --=-pflADJm/7dhYEO1+r89L Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; CHARSET=3DUTF-8"> <META NAME=3D"GENERATOR" CONTENT=3D"GtkHTML/3.12.1"> </HEAD> <BODY> On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 10:36 +0900, Konrad Meyer wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE> <PRE> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">Quoth M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on Thursday 13 Septemb= er 2007 06:26:43 pm:</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> Chad Perrin wrote:</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> > On a similar note: The idea of open sourc= e software being built on closed</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> > foundations sounds a lot like what has be= en going on with open source</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> > development in Java for several years. D= espite this, I don't really see</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> > people complaining about the closed found= ations represented by the Java</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> > VM.</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> Yes, but after years of negotiations with lite= rally hundreds of</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> stakeholders, Sun was able to open those found= ations. Perhaps a similar</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> thing could happen with CLR.</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">It's Microsoft. Unlikely.</FONT> </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <PRE> </PRE> Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as how= it's standardized and all: <A HREF=3D"http://www.ecma-international.org/pu= blications/standards/Ecma-335.htm">http://www.ecma-international.org/public= ations/standards/Ecma-335.htm</A>.<BR> <BR> <TABLE CELLSPACING=3D"0" CELLPADDING=3D"0" WIDTH=3D"100%"> <TR> <TD> -- <BR> <B>Michael T. Richter</B> <<A HREF=3D"mailto:ttmrichter@gmail.com">ttmri= chter@gmail.com</A>> (<B>GoogleTalk:</B> ttmrichter@gmail.com)<BR> <I>So much of what we call management consists in making it difficult for p= eople to work. (Peter Drucker)</I> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </BODY> </HTML> --=-pflADJm/7dhYEO1+r89L-- --=-HPyHPI460HBLzfzHfING Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG6gaMLqyWkKVQ54QRAscpAJwKxFD8yM634Acyby1fmq dljNCzYACgqM2y N2M1IcMt6ImsD4VpgYCKKt0= =rrKA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-HPyHPI460HBLzfzHfING--

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14/09/2007, 05h44	#7
Michael T. Richter Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: IronRuby --=-bj9Y9FGeKrj/QSZvDsRx Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-3jK6tptCbqbsOlzmF7aQ" --=-3jK6tptCbqbsOlzmF7aQ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 13:08 +0900, John Lam (CLR) wrote: > > From: Michael T. Richter [mailto:ttmrichter@gmail.com] > > > > Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as= how it's standardized > > and all: http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...andards/Ecma-= 335.htm. >=20 > You mean Mono (or maybe I missed a smiley)? http://www.mono-project.com/= Main_Page Nah, I missed the smiley. My mistake. Mono. Gnu.NET. A couple of others. I rather doubt that IronRuby, by virtue of being CLRed, is going to lock the world into MS even if MS somehow gets to Matz and wrests control of Ruby away from him. --=20 Michael T. Richter <ttmrichter@gmail.com> (GoogleTalk: ttmrichter@gmail.com) The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory. (Paul Fix) --=-3jK6tptCbqbsOlzmF7aQ Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; CHARSET=3DUTF-8"> <META NAME=3D"GENERATOR" CONTENT=3D"GtkHTML/3.12.1"> </HEAD> <BODY> On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 13:08 +0900, John Lam (CLR) wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE> <PRE> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> From: Michael T. Richter [mailto:<A HREF=3D"ma= ilto:ttmrichter@gmail.com">ttmrichter@gmail.com</A>]</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">></FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> Of course someone could just make a GPLed vers= ion of the CLR, seeing as how it's standardized</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000">> and all: <A HREF=3D"http://www.ecma-internatio= nal.org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm">http://www.ecma-international.= org/publications/standards/Ecma-335.htm</A>.</FONT> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000"> You mean Mono (or maybe I missed a smiley)? <A HRE= F=3D"http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page">http://www.mono-project.com/Mai= n_Page</A></FONT> </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> Nah, I missed the smiley.  My mistake.  Mono.  Gnu.NET.&nbsp= ; A couple of others.  I rather doubt that IronRuby, by virtue of bein= g CLRed, is going to lock the world into MS even if MS somehow gets to Matz= and wrests control of Ruby away from him.<BR> <BR> <TABLE CELLSPACING=3D"0" CELLPADDING=3D"0" WIDTH=3D"100%"> <TR> <TD> -- <BR> <B>Michael T. Richter</B> <<A HREF=3D"mailto:ttmrichter@gmail.com">ttmri= chter@gmail.com</A>> (<B>GoogleTalk:</B> ttmrichter@gmail.com)<BR> <I>The only reason some people get lost in thought is because it's unfamili= ar territory. (Paul Fix)</I> </TD> </TR> </TABLE> </BODY> </HTML> --=-3jK6tptCbqbsOlzmF7aQ-- --=-bj9Y9FGeKrj/QSZvDsRx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBG6hGILqyWkKVQ54QRAontAKC2MRg+FbYss9QWdfuz8U u94KOt0ACePNHF r4FaCjhcCyw2t9lU1zH2V7w= =rv6p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-bj9Y9FGeKrj/QSZvDsRx--

14/09/2007, 17h36	#8
Chad Perrin Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: IronRuby On Fri, Sep 14, 2007 at 12:57:15PM +0900, Michael T. Richter wrote: > On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 10:36 +0900, Konrad Meyer wrote: > > > Quoth M. Edward (Ed) Borasky on Thursday 13 September 2007 06:26:43 pm: > > > Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > On a similar note: The idea of open source software being built on closed > > > > foundations sounds a lot like what has been going on with open source > > > > development in Java for several years. Despite this, I don't really see > > > > people complaining about the closed foundations represented by the Java > > > > VM. > > > Yes, but after years of negotiations with literally hundreds of > > > stakeholders, Sun was able to open those foundations. Perhaps a similar > > > thing could happen with CLR. > > > > It's Microsoft. Unlikely. > > Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as > how it's standardized and all: > http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-335.htm. . . or better yet, an implementation with a better license than the GPL. (Why exactly does everyone always assume that "open source" must mean GPL?) -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Marvin Minsky: "It's just incredible that a trillion-synapse computer could actually spend Saturday afternoon watching a football game."

29/09/2007, 20h18	#9
Cody Skidmore Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: IronRuby Michael T. Richter wrote: > On Fri, 2007-14-09 at 10:36 +0900, Konrad Meyer wrote: > >> >> It's Microsoft. Unlikely. > > > > Of course someone could just make a GPLed version of the CLR, seeing as > how it's standardized and all: > http://www.ecma-international.org/pu...s/Ecma-335.htm. In case you're not aware of it, see the following project: http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page This is a project to create an open source version and has been around for some time now. -- Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

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