This newsgroup has become almost unusable thanks mainly to one serial
spammer. Can't anything be done to stop them?

--
Regards,

Jarrick

------------------------------------
Jarrick.Chagma@your.mind.gmail.com
(Lose your mind before emailing me)

Jarrick Chagma wrote:
> This newsgroup has become almost unusable thanks mainly to one serial
> spammer. Can't anything be done to stop them?
>
killfile is the best you can hope for.

You can try reporting them but you'll get a nice pandering letter and
then nothing will happen.

Jarrick Chagma wrote:

> This newsgroup has become almost unusable thanks mainly to one serial
> spammer. Can't anything be done to stop them?

See previous threads on the topic.




Brian

Noah Roberts wrote:
> You can try reporting them but you'll get a nice pandering letter and
> then nothing will happen.

I have hard time believing this is the first time in the history of
the internet that a newsgroup has been flooded with spam. I also have
hard time believing this particular newsgroup has been saved from the
flood until now.

The spam flood started a couple of months ago. Before that, almost
nothing, then suddenly a huge flood. Something definitely has changed at
that point. But what?

Juha Nieminen wrote:

> The spam flood started a couple of months ago. Before that, almost
> nothing, then suddenly a huge flood. Something definitely has changed
> at that point. But what?

It started long before that. It just took a while to get around to
technical groups.




Brian

Default User wrote:
> Juha Nieminen wrote:
>
>> The spam flood started a couple of months ago. Before that, almost
>> nothing, then suddenly a huge flood. Something definitely has changed
>> at that point. But what?
>
> It started long before that. It just took a while to get around to
> technical groups.

"A while" being about 20 years? I have hard time believing that.

Juha Nieminen wrote:

> Default User wrote:
> > Juha Nieminen wrote:
> >
> >> The spam flood started a couple of months ago. Before that,
> almost >> nothing, then suddenly a huge flood. Something definitely
> has changed >> at that point. But what?
> >
> > It started long before that. It just took a while to get around to
> > technical groups.
>
> "A while" being about 20 years? I have hard time believing that.

I'm confused. You said that, "The spam flood started a couple of months
ago." I'm not sure where 20 years comes in. If indeed the flood started
that recently, then it trailed other newsgroups like those in rec.*
hierarchies by a significant amount. I don't know, because NIN had
started their use of "cleanfeed" or whatever by then, so I never saw
any significant amount of spam here.




Brian

Default User wrote:
> Juha Nieminen wrote:
>
>> Default User wrote:
>>> Juha Nieminen wrote:
>>>
>>>> The spam flood started a couple of months ago. Before that,
>> almost >> nothing, then suddenly a huge flood. Something definitely
>> has changed >> at that point. But what?
>>> It started long before that. It just took a while to get around to
>>> technical groups.
>> "A while" being about 20 years? I have hard time believing that.
>
> I'm confused. You said that, "The spam flood started a couple of months
> ago." I'm not sure where 20 years comes in.

Let me quote myself:

"I have hard time believing this is the first time in the history of
the internet that a newsgroup has been flooded with spam. I also have
hard time believing this particular newsgroup has been saved from the
flood until now."

Something has stopped the spam flooding before (during the existence
of this newsgroup), but now something has seemingly changed.

Juha Nieminen wrote:

> Default User wrote:

> > I'm confused. You said that, "The spam flood started a couple of
> > months ago." I'm not sure where 20 years comes in.
>
> Let me quote myself:
>
> "I have hard time believing this is the first time in the history of
> the internet that a newsgroup has been flooded with spam. I also have
> hard time believing this particular newsgroup has been saved from the
> flood until now."
>
> Something has stopped the spam flooding before (during the existence
> of this newsgroup), but now something has seemingly changed.

I don't remember there being a spam flood here before either. I
understand that there is one now for some people, but I've never really
seen it.

My impression was that the institutional spammers got started in some
other groups, and expanded to ones like clc++. I might be wrong.




Brian

Noah Roberts wrote:

> Jarrick Chagma wrote:
>> This newsgroup has become almost unusable thanks mainly to one serial
>> spammer. Can't anything be done to stop them?
>>
> killfile is the best you can hope for.
>
> You can try reporting them but you'll get a nice pandering letter and
> then nothing will happen.

If you send your mail to the address in the Complaints-To header, you'll not
even get that. Google is simply ignoring the fact that more or less all of
Usenet's spam is sent through Google Groups.

Jarrick Chagma wrote:
> This newsgroup has become almost unusable thanks mainly to one serial
> spammer. Can't anything be done to stop them?
>
What spam?

--
Ian Collins

"Jarrick Chagma" <jarrick@large.com> wrote in message
news:4a5638e3$0$2820$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> This newsgroup has become almost unusable thanks mainly to one serial
> spammer. Can't anything be done to stop them?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jarrick
>
> ------------------------------------
> Jarrick.Chagma@your.mind.gmail.com
> (Lose your mind before emailing me)


They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.



Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
filtering?



I don't want lots of gimmicks, and I do not want it trying to take over the
world (not doing email, not being an Internet explorer, etc).



This is for XP.



TIA,

Bill

* Bill Davy:
> "Jarrick Chagma" <jarrick@large.com> wrote in message
> news:4a5638e3$0$2820$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> This newsgroup has become almost unusable thanks mainly to one serial
>> spammer. Can't anything be done to stop them?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jarrick
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>> Jarrick.Chagma@your.mind.gmail.com
>> (Lose your mind before emailing me)
>
>
> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
> does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>
>
>
> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
> filtering?
>
>
>
> I don't want lots of gimmicks, and I do not want it trying to take over the
> world (not doing email, not being an Internet explorer, etc).
>
>
>
> This is for XP.
>

Argh, perhaps I should write one, in C++. ;-)

For a while I thought in terms of modifying the functionality of some existing
free program, and created an extension for Thunderbird (NewsWorthy, sorry not
updated to work with recent versions of Thunderbird), but as it turned out
Thunderbird has a *lot* of bugs (e.g. in this connection Thunderbird sometimes
really screws up its own internal count of unread messages, mail and news), and
most of the functionality is completely undocumented, so I concluded it would
not be worthwhile to try to implement real filtering in Thunderbird.

However, when the base functionality is designed by oneself it should be fairly
easy... Yes, I actually think it's probably less work to implement a newsreader
from scratch than making Thunderbird do this thing. Because of bugs and the
undocumented and haphazard nature of that beast, old Netscape code.


Cheers,

- Alf

Bill Davy wrote:
>
> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
> does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
> filtering?

Thunderbird can filter by "from" as well as subject. These two stop
just about all of the spam news.individual.net misses.

--
Ian Collins

"Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7boeq0F235d8kU2@mid.individual.net...
> Bill Davy wrote:
>>
>> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
>> does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
>> filtering?
>
> Thunderbird can filter by "from" as well as subject. These two stop just
> about all of the spam news.individual.net misses.
>
> --
> Ian Collins


Interesting.

"IMPORTANT: Thunderbird requires you to have an SFF email account before you
can use the Newsreader functions"

Not quite what I was looking for then.

* Bill Davy:
> "Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7boeq0F235d8kU2@mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Davy wrote:
>>> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
>>> does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
>>> filtering?
>> Thunderbird can filter by "from" as well as subject. These two stop just
>> about all of the spam news.individual.net misses.
>>
>> --
>> Ian Collins
>
>
> Interesting.
>
> "IMPORTANT: Thunderbird requires you to have an SFF email account before you
> can use the Newsreader functions"
>
> Not quite what I was looking for then.

That's bull, where did you get that? I'm using Thunderbird now. But the problem
with filtering directly on Google Groups is that e.g. James Kanze is posting (by
necessity) via Google Groups, and he and some others are GG-posting people you
really want to read.


Cheers & hth.,

- Alf

Bill Davy wrote:
> "Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7boeq0F235d8kU2@mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Davy wrote:
>>> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
>>> does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
>>> filtering?
>> Thunderbird can filter by "from" as well as subject. These two stop just
>> about all of the spam news.individual.net misses.

Thunderbird also correctly snips signatures!

> Interesting.
>
> "IMPORTANT: Thunderbird requires you to have an SFF email account before you
> can use the Newsreader functions"

Nonsense.

--
Ian Collins

"Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7boh06F235d8kU3@mid.individual.net...
> Bill Davy wrote:
>> "Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:7boeq0F235d8kU2@mid.individual.net...
>>> Bill Davy wrote:
>>>> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but
>>>> OE does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
>>>> filtering?
>>> Thunderbird can filter by "from" as well as subject. These two stop
>>> just about all of the spam news.individual.net misses.
>
> Thunderbird also correctly snips signatures!
>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> "IMPORTANT: Thunderbird requires you to have an SFF email account before
>> you can use the Newsreader functions"
>
> Nonsense.
>
> --
> Ian Collins

I quote from http://www.sff.net//setup/TbirdNews.asp:

"Mozilla Thunderbird Newsreader Setup
Download this software
IMPORTANT: Thunderbird requires you to have an email account before you can
use the Newsreader functions. If you have not yet set up an email account,
you should do so now. Use the instructions on the Thunderbird Email Client
page to set up an email client before proceeding here.

Please have your SFF Net username, password and SFF Net Email address handy
(they were included in your original signup confirmation email). You'll need
them to complete these instructions.


1.. Start Thunderbird and select Tools --> Account Settings from the menu
to bring up the Account Settings dialog window. "
Anyway, I am not going that way and that's an end to it.

Bill

Bill Davy wrote:
> "Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7boh06F235d8kU3@mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Davy wrote:
>>> "Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7boeq0F235d8kU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Bill Davy wrote:
>>>>> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but
>>>>> OE does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
>>>>> filtering?
>>>> Thunderbird can filter by "from" as well as subject. These two stop
>>>> just about all of the spam news.individual.net misses.
>> Thunderbird also correctly snips signatures!
>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> "IMPORTANT: Thunderbird requires you to have an SFF email account before
>>> you can use the Newsreader functions"
>> Nonsense.
>>

As I said before, Thunderbird correctly snips signatures
>
> I quote from http://www.sff.net//setup/TbirdNews.asp:

Well would else would you expect form a site telling you how to set up
Thunderbird for their service?

--
Ian Collins

In message <SP2dnQCCkZt4jcrXnZ2dnUVZ8kWdnZ2d@bt.com>, Bill Davy
<Bill@SynectixLtd.com> writes
>"Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:7boh06F235d8kU3@mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Davy wrote:
>>> "Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:7boeq0F235d8kU2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Bill Davy wrote:
>>>>> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but
>>>>> OE does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
>>>>> filtering?
>>>> Thunderbird can filter by "from" as well as subject. These two stop
>>>> just about all of the spam news.individual.net misses.
>>
>> Thunderbird also correctly snips signatures!
>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> "IMPORTANT: Thunderbird requires you to have an SFF email account before
>>> you can use the Newsreader functions"
>>
>> Nonsense.
>>
>
>I quote from http://www.sff.net//setup/TbirdNews.asp:

Why? This appears to be instructions for users of "SFF Net" (whatever
that is) to configure their systems.

If you want to know about Thunderbird, why not look at the Thunderbird
web pages (http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/thunderbird) instead
of out-of-context stuff on some random social networking site?


--
Richard Herring

Bill Davy wrote:
> "Ian Collins" <ian-news@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:7boeq0F235d8kU2@mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Davy wrote:
>>> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
>>> does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
>>> filtering?
>> Thunderbird can filter by "from" as well as subject. These two stop just
>> about all of the spam news.individual.net misses.
>>
>> --
>> Ian Collins
>
>
> Interesting.
>
> "IMPORTANT: Thunderbird requires you to have an SFF email account before you
> can use the Newsreader functions"
>
> Not quite what I was looking for then.
>
>

I just created this SFF account to say "Hello"

On 07/10/2009 02:25 PM, Bill Davy wrote:
> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
> does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>
> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
> filtering?

I have never ever seen SPAM, since I started using Leafnode-2, a caching
NNTP server for small sites, it learns which newsgroups should be
downloaded and, or cached based on what is accessed by users, see
http://cto.homelinux.net/ports?port=leafnode-devel for further details;
provides effective SPAM filtering.

BTW, the paranoids might want to use a stable version of Leafnode,
available at http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/

> I don't want lots of gimmicks, and I do not want it trying to take over the
> world (not doing email, not being an Internet explorer, etc).

--
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Anu'z Linux@HOME (Unix Shoppe) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
Chandigarh, UT, 160062, India Plan9, T2, Arch/Debian/FreeBSD/XP
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"Balwinder S Dheeman" <bsd.SANSPAM@cto.homelinux.net> wrote in message
news:salji6xl18.ln2@news.homelinux.net...
> On 07/10/2009 02:25 PM, Bill Davy wrote:
>> They all seem to come from Organization: http://groups.google.com but OE
>> does not seem to permit filtering on Organization.
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a good newsreader programme that does allow that
>> filtering?
>
> I have never ever seen SPAM, since I started using Leafnode-2, a caching
> NNTP server for small sites, it learns which newsgroups should be
> downloaded and, or cached based on what is accessed by users, see
> http://cto.homelinux.net/ports?port=leafnode-devel for further details;
> provides effective SPAM filtering.
>
> BTW, the paranoids might want to use a stable version of Leafnode,
> available at http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/
>
>> I don't want lots of gimmicks, and I do not want it trying to take over
>> the
>> world (not doing email, not being an Internet explorer, etc).
>
> --
> Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709
> Anu'z Linux@HOME (Unix Shoppe) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192
> Chandigarh, UT, 160062, India Plan9, T2, Arch/Debian/FreeBSD/XP
> Home: http://werc.homelinux.net/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/


Thanks for this suggestion.

I have been trying XPN but it seems very "foreign" to my way of working.

Bill

In article <h370g1$sf$1@news.eternal-september.org>, alfps@start.no
says...

[ ... ]

> Argh, perhaps I should write one, in C++. ;-)

My advice would be to consider writing a filtering new server
instead. I.e. it connects to a news server of your choice, filters
out whatever you don't want, and your newsreader connects to this
local news server to collect its filtered feed of the news.

This should reduce the effort considerably, and be pretty easy to
make (mostly) portable -- not to mention making adoption a lot easier
since its only affect on the user would be the lack of spam.

--
Later,
Jerry.

* Jerry Coffin:
> In article <h370g1$sf$1@news.eternal-september.org>, alfps@start.no
> says...
>
> [ ... ]
>
>> Argh, perhaps I should write one, in C++. ;-)
>
> My advice would be to consider writing a filtering new server
> instead. I.e. it connects to a news server of your choice, filters
> out whatever you don't want, and your newsreader connects to this
> local news server to collect its filtered feed of the news.
>
> This should reduce the effort considerably, and be pretty easy to
> make (mostly) portable -- not to mention making adoption a lot easier
> since its only affect on the user would be the lack of spam.
>

Yeah, but it's not as fun. :-)

Anyways, I see else-thread that one such evidently already exists,
<url: http://leafnode.sourceforge.net/>.

And of old there was Hamster (not sure about download and never used it) and
NewsProxy, <url: http://www.nfilter.org/>, used in combination.


Cheers,

- Alf