How to set default font size to small for a page's body?

16/04/2008, 15h58

I've tried
<body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;">
or
<body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;">
or
<body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;">
to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong?

Thanks.

16/04/2008, 16h44

Don Li wrote:
> I've tried
> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;">
> or
> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;">
> or
> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;">
> to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong?
>
> Thanks.

?? Setting the font size in the document doesn't change the IE
*setting*, it changes the sizes of the fonts *relative* to that setting
(assuming you're using relative units like % or em).

Anyway, why are you trying to set the primary font of your page to a
size that's smaller than the user finds convenient to read?

16/04/2008, 17h03

On Apr 16, 10:44am, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Don Li wrote:
> > I've tried
> > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;">
> > or
> > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;">
> > or
> > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;">
> > to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong?
>
> > Thanks.
>
> ?? Setting the font size in the document doesn't change the IE
> *setting*, it changes the sizes of the fonts *relative* to that setting
> (assuming you're using relative units like % or em).
>
> Anyway, why are you trying to set the primary font of your page to a
> size that's smaller than the user finds convenient to read?

Would like to get key points of WHAT, For WHOM, WHY and HOW across on
one screen (about 80% of a full screen) without scrolling.

16/04/2008, 17h13

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote:

> What did I do wrong?

You tried to mess with the reader's preferred font size for BODY.
Don't do that! Do not specify a font size for BODY.

--
In memoriam Alan J. Flavell
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...Alan.J.Flavell

16/04/2008, 17h15

Don Li wrote:

> I've tried

Please read this:
http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php

> .. What did I do wrong?

You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me)
squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease
your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me.

I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling
to your CSS style sheet.

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

16/04/2008, 17h25

Don Li wrote:

> Would like to get key points of WHAT, For WHOM, WHY and HOW across on
> one screen (about 80% of a full screen) without scrolling.

Whose screen? You will have no idea what your visitor's screen size will
be. They could be using one of the iPhones! Also screen size != browser
window size, not *everyone* runs a browser maximized. I rarely do. Time
to rethink your design.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

16/04/2008, 17h31

On Apr 16, 11:15am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Don Li wrote:
> > I've tried
>
> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php
>
> > .. What did I do wrong?
>
> You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me)
> squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease
> your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me.
>
> I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling
> to your CSS style sheet.
>
> --
> -bts
> -Friends don't let friends drive Vista

People. Please consider the following factors:
a) the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font
size with their browser and I don't intend to provide instruction on
that (once again, they are not you, not tech savvy);
b) the 'small' font size looks good (not the default 100% size) for
the home page (feedback from beta users).

Thanks.

16/04/2008, 17h36

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote:

> the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font
> size with their browser

Those who also don't know how to adjust the rear-view mirror?

--
In memoriam Alan J. Flavell
http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...Alan.J.Flavell

16/04/2008, 17h45

Don Li wrote:
> On Apr 16, 10:44 am, Harlan Messinger
> <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Don Li wrote:
>>> I've tried
>>> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;">
>>> or
>>> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;">
>>> or
>>> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;">
>>> to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong?
>>> Thanks.
>> ?? Setting the font size in the document doesn't change the IE
>> *setting*, it changes the sizes of the fonts *relative* to that setting
>> (assuming you're using relative units like % or em).
>>
>> Anyway, why are you trying to set the primary font of your page to a
>> size that's smaller than the user finds convenient to read?
>
> Would like to get key points of WHAT, For WHOM, WHY and HOW across on
> one screen (about 80% of a full screen) without scrolling.

Why? (Honestly, I'm often baffled by the criteria people trying to set
up a web page invent for themselves, especially when they produce
undesirable results, such as here where the result will be that people
find the page less comfortable to read.) How do you know how large any
given user's screen is? What makes you think they have their browser
opened to the full size of their screen anyway? I have a large,
high-resolution screen, and it would normally be ridiculous for me to
maximize my browser--I have no need for a document to be that wide. Yet
these days there are web designers who seem to think they need to have
800-pixel-wide graphics and six columns of text across the page, so that
I either have to scroll to the right (which, unlike scrolling down,
isn't part of the normal web experience) or expand my browser against my
preferences, so that I can only see the browser and can't see anything
else I have on my desktop.

16/04/2008, 17h51

Don Li wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:15 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Don Li wrote:
>>> I've tried
>> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php
>>
>>> .. What did I do wrong?
>> You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me)
>> squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease
>> your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me.
>>
>> I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling
>> to your CSS style sheet.
>>
>> --
>> -bts
>> -Friends don't let friends drive Vista
>
> People. Please consider the following factors:
> a) the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font
> size with their browser and I don't intend to provide instruction on
> that (once again, they are not you, not tech savvy);

Your reasoning is backwards. If you think your users will be unable to
change the size of their text, then that's exactly why you *shouldn't*
make it too small for some of them to read. Some people *need* the type
to be at least normal size. Nobody needs it *smaller*.

> b) the 'small' font size looks good (not the default 100% size) for
> the home page (feedback from beta users).

On your screen in your browser when you have it set to display type at a
Medium setting and you have the quality of eyesight that you are
fortunate enough to have--and may not still have 10 or 20 years from now.

16/04/2008, 18h07

On Apr 16, 11:51am, Harlan Messinger
<hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Don Li wrote:
> > On Apr 16, 11:15 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> > <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> Don Li wrote:
> >>> I've tried
> >> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php
>
> >>> .. What did I do wrong?
> >> You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me)
> >> squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease
> >> your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me.
>
> >> I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling
> >> to your CSS style sheet.
>
> >> --
> >> -bts
> >> -Friends don't let friends drive Vista
>
> > People. Please consider the following factors:
> > a) the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font
> > size with their browser and I don't intend to provide instruction on
> > that (once again, they are not you, not tech savvy);
>

> Your reasoning is backwards. If you think your users will be unable to
> change the size of their text, then that's exactly why you *shouldn't*
> make it too small for some of them to read. Some people *need* the type
> to be at least normal size. Nobody needs it *smaller*.

You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to
change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to
change the size of their text".

Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a
default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you
can't.

16/04/2008, 18h12

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote:

> Just answer the question if you are able to

Welcome to Usenet!

You post something, we discuss its implications. If the discussion
happens to answer a question you've asked, that's incidental.

--
Solipsists of the world - unite!

16/04/2008, 18h16

Don Li wrote:

> Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a
> default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you
> can't.

Just answer the question, are you making this page for you or for the
people who will view it? If for the latter then don't fool with my
default font size, it is a pain to have to keep adjusting my found as I
go from page to page. End result is "I", and many others, just won't
come back which is never a good marketing strategy.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

16/04/2008, 18h42

Don Li wrote:

> You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to
> change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to change the size
> of their text".

Whether or not your visitors know how to change the font size in their
browsers is no reason for you to penalize those who don't.

Think flexible. The Web is not paper. And we do not have your eyes.

> Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a
> default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you
> can't.

Sure you can. Set it for 100%.

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

16/04/2008, 18h47

On Apr 16, 12:42pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
<a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
> Don Li wrote:
> > You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to
> > change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to change the size
> > of their text".
>
> Whether or not your visitors know how to change the font size in their
> browsers is no reason for you to penalize those who don't.
>
> Think flexible. The Web is not paper. And we do not have your eyes.
>
> > Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a
> > default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you
> > can't.
>
> Sure you can. Set it for 100%.
>

Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7?

16/04/2008, 18h53

On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote:

>> Set it for 100%.
>
> Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7?

80% is small-print - appropriate when you want to deceive people
and hide important information in your contracts.

Are you a lawyer?

--
I used to believe in reincarnation in a former life.

16/04/2008, 18h57

On Apr 16, 12:53pm, Andreas Prilop <prilop2...@trashmail.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote:
> >> Set it for 100%.
>
> > Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7?
>
> 80% is small-print - appropriate when you want to deceive people
> and hide important information in your contracts.
>
> Are you a lawyer?
>
> --
> I used to believe in reincarnation in a former life.

Good

Problem resolved. Just don't know why it got many so
worked up.

16/04/2008, 19h07

Harlan Messinger wrote:
> Don Li wrote:
>> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;">
>
> why are you trying to set the primary font of your page to a
> size that's smaller than the user finds convenient to read?

Probably because it's Verdana.

--
Berg

16/04/2008, 19h21

Don Li wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:15 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php
>
> People. Please consider the following factors:

Gee, do you think you're the first person ever to come up against this?
The subject of font sizes and Verdana has been discussed a nauseating
number of times.

Whatever excuses you come up with that rationalize your decision to use
Verdana at a reduced size for body text ain't gonna fly here.

--
Berg

16/04/2008, 19h40

Don Li wrote:
> On Apr 16, 12:53 pm, Andreas Prilop <prilop2...@trashmail.net> wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote:
>>>> Set it for 100%.
>>> Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7?
>> 80% is small-print - appropriate when you want to deceive people
>> and hide important information in your contracts.
>>
>> Are you a lawyer?
>>

>> I used to believe in reincarnation in a former life.
>
> Good

Problem resolved. Just don't know why it got many so
> worked up.

We hoped, (unsuccessfully is this case) to stop the perpetuation of
poorly design, inflexible, unaccessible websites that currently pollute
the web. The attitudes expressed here underscore the frustration some of
your visitors will experience when they wish to visit your site but just
cannot read the damn text...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

16/04/2008, 19h50

Don Li wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:51 am, Harlan Messinger
> <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Don Li wrote:
>>> On Apr 16, 11:15 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
>>> <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Don Li wrote:
>>>>> I've tried
>>>> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php
>>>>> .. What did I do wrong?
>>>> You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me)
>>>> squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease
>>>> your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me.
>>>> I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling
>>>> to your CSS style sheet.
>>>> --
>>>> -bts
>>>> -Friends don't let friends drive Vista
>>> People. Please consider the following factors:
>>> a) the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font
>>> size with their browser and I don't intend to provide instruction on
>>> that (once again, they are not you, not tech savvy);
>
>> Your reasoning is backwards. If you think your users will be unable to
>> change the size of their text, then that's exactly why you *shouldn't*
>> make it too small for some of them to read. Some people *need* the type
>> to be at least normal size. Nobody needs it *smaller*.
>
> You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to
> change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to
> change the size of their text".

What do you think the text consists of besides characters in a font
whose size is determined by the font size?

16/04/2008, 19h52

Don Li wrote:
> On Apr 16, 12:42 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty"
> <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> Don Li wrote:
>>> You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to
>>> change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to change the size
>>> of their text".
>> Whether or not your visitors know how to change the font size in their
>> browsers is no reason for you to penalize those who don't.
>>
>> Think flexible. The Web is not paper. And we do not have your eyes.
>>
>>> Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a
>>> default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you
>>> can't.
>> Sure you can. Set it for 100%.
>>
>
> Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7?

Originally by "not working" you explained that you meant that the IE
setting remained Medium, and I already told you that of course the
setting will remain Medium, that's not what setting the font size in CSS
does. So if that's still what you mean by "not working" then the answer
is still, "That's not what it's *supposed* to do."

16/04/2008, 19h55

On Apr 16, 1:40pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@central.net> wrote:
> Don Li wrote:
> > On Apr 16, 12:53 pm, Andreas Prilop <prilop2...@trashmail.net> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote:
> >>>> Set it for 100%.
> >>> Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7?
> >> 80% is small-print - appropriate when you want to deceive people
> >> and hide important information in your contracts.
>
> >> Are you a lawyer?
>
> >> I used to believe in reincarnation in a former life.
>
> > Good

Problem resolved. Just don't know why it got many so
> > worked up.
>
> We hoped, (unsuccessfully is this case) to stop the perpetuation of
> poorly design, inflexible, unaccessible websites that currently pollute
> the web. The attitudes expressed here underscore the frustration some of
> your visitors will experience when they wish to visit your site but just
> cannot read the damn text...
>
> --
> Take care,
>
> Jonathan
> -------------------
> LITTLE WORKS STUDIOhttp://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

This is really a catch-22 situation. On one hand, if the home page
(starting page) using a smaller font size, subsequent pages do not
look good while leaving the default font size to 100% does not make
the starting page look good.

16/04/2008, 20h10

Don Li wrote:

> This is really a catch-22 situation. On one hand, if the home page
> (starting page) using a smaller font size, subsequent pages do not
> look good while leaving the default font size to 100% does not make
> the starting page look good.

No. Use default font size of 100% on all pages, there is no Catch-22.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

16/04/2008, 21h00

On 4/16/2008 6:58 AM, Don Li wrote:
> I've tried
> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;">
> or
> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;">
> or
> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;">
> to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong?
>
> Thanks.

Whatever you do, I will use my Font- and Font+ buttons to set the size
to something I can read, thus undoing whatever you have done to set the
size of your body font.

As others have indicated, you should leave the body of your page at the
font size each user has already set in his or her browser preferences.
Then set titles, footnotes, and other non-body text at sizes larger or
smaller relative to the body font.

--
David Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>

Have you been using Netscape and now feel abandoned by AOL?
Then use SeaMonkey. Go to <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/>.

16/04/2008, 15h58	#1
Don Li Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	How to set default font size to small for a page's body? I've tried <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;"> or <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;"> or <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;"> to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong? Thanks.

16/04/2008, 16h44	#2
Harlan Messinger Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > I've tried > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;"> > or > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;"> > or > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;"> > to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong? > > Thanks. ?? Setting the font size in the document doesn't change the IE setting, it changes the sizes of the fonts relative to that setting (assuming you're using relative units like % or em). Anyway, why are you trying to set the primary font of your page to a size that's smaller than the user finds convenient to read?

16/04/2008, 17h03	#3
Don Li Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Apr 16, 10:44am, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote: > Don Li wrote: > > I've tried > > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;"> > > or > > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;"> > > or > > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;"> > > to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong? > > > Thanks. > > ?? Setting the font size in the document doesn't change the IE > setting, it changes the sizes of the fonts relative to that setting > (assuming you're using relative units like % or em). > > Anyway, why are you trying to set the primary font of your page to a > size that's smaller than the user finds convenient to read? Would like to get key points of WHAT, For WHOM, WHY and HOW across on one screen (about 80% of a full screen) without scrolling.

16/04/2008, 17h13	#4
Andreas Prilop Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote: > What did I do wrong? You tried to mess with the reader's preferred font size for BODY. Don't do that! Do not specify a font size for BODY. -- In memoriam Alan J. Flavell http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...Alan.J.Flavell

16/04/2008, 17h15	#5
Beauregard T. Shagnasty Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > I've tried Please read this: http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php > .. What did I do wrong? You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me) squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me. I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling to your CSS style sheet. -- -bts -Friends don't let friends drive Vista

16/04/2008, 17h25	#6
Jonathan N. Little Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > Would like to get key points of WHAT, For WHOM, WHY and HOW across on > one screen (about 80% of a full screen) without scrolling. Whose screen? You will have no idea what your visitor's screen size will be. They could be using one of the iPhones! Also screen size != browser window size, not everyone runs a browser maximized. I rarely do. Time to rethink your design. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

16/04/2008, 17h31	#7
Don Li Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Apr 16, 11:15am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote: > Don Li wrote: > > I've tried > > Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php > > > .. What did I do wrong? > > You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me) > squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease > your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me. > > I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling > to your CSS style sheet. > > -- > -bts > -Friends don't let friends drive Vista People. Please consider the following factors: a) the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font size with their browser and I don't intend to provide instruction on that (once again, they are not you, not tech savvy); b) the 'small' font size looks good (not the default 100% size) for the home page (feedback from beta users). Thanks.

16/04/2008, 17h36	#8
Andreas Prilop Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote: > the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font > size with their browser Those who also don't know how to adjust the rear-view mirror? -- In memoriam Alan J. Flavell http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...Alan.J.Flavell

16/04/2008, 17h45	#9
Harlan Messinger Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > On Apr 16, 10:44 am, Harlan Messinger > <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Don Li wrote: >>> I've tried >>> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;"> >>> or >>> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;"> >>> or >>> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;"> >>> to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong? >>> Thanks. >> ?? Setting the font size in the document doesn't change the IE >> setting, it changes the sizes of the fonts relative to that setting >> (assuming you're using relative units like % or em). >> >> Anyway, why are you trying to set the primary font of your page to a >> size that's smaller than the user finds convenient to read? > > Would like to get key points of WHAT, For WHOM, WHY and HOW across on > one screen (about 80% of a full screen) without scrolling. Why? (Honestly, I'm often baffled by the criteria people trying to set up a web page invent for themselves, especially when they produce undesirable results, such as here where the result will be that people find the page less comfortable to read.) How do you know how large any given user's screen is? What makes you think they have their browser opened to the full size of their screen anyway? I have a large, high-resolution screen, and it would normally be ridiculous for me to maximize my browser--I have no need for a document to be that wide. Yet these days there are web designers who seem to think they need to have 800-pixel-wide graphics and six columns of text across the page, so that I either have to scroll to the right (which, unlike scrolling down, isn't part of the normal web experience) or expand my browser against my preferences, so that I can only see the browser and can't see anything else I have on my desktop.

16/04/2008, 17h51	#10
Harlan Messinger Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > On Apr 16, 11:15 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" > <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote: >> Don Li wrote: >>> I've tried >> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php >> >>> .. What did I do wrong? >> You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me) >> squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease >> your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me. >> >> I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling >> to your CSS style sheet. >> >> -- >> -bts >> -Friends don't let friends drive Vista > > People. Please consider the following factors: > a) the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font > size with their browser and I don't intend to provide instruction on > that (once again, they are not you, not tech savvy); Your reasoning is backwards. If you think your users will be unable to change the size of their text, then that's exactly why you shouldn't make it too small for some of them to read. Some people need the type to be at least normal size. Nobody needs it smaller. > b) the 'small' font size looks good (not the default 100% size) for > the home page (feedback from beta users). On your screen in your browser when you have it set to display type at a Medium setting and you have the quality of eyesight that you are fortunate enough to have--and may not still have 10 or 20 years from now.

16/04/2008, 18h07	#11
Don Li Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Apr 16, 11:51am, Harlan Messinger <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote: > Don Li wrote: > > On Apr 16, 11:15 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" > > <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote: > >> Don Li wrote: > >>> I've tried > >> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php > > >>> .. What did I do wrong? > >> You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me) > >> squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease > >> your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me. > > >> I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling > >> to your CSS style sheet. > > >> -- > >> -bts > >> -Friends don't let friends drive Vista > > > People. Please consider the following factors: > > a) the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font > > size with their browser and I don't intend to provide instruction on > > that (once again, they are not you, not tech savvy); > > Your reasoning is backwards. If you think your users will be unable to > change the size of their text, then that's exactly why you shouldn't > make it too small for some of them to read. Some people need the type > to be at least normal size. Nobody needs it smaller. You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to change the size of their text". Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you can't.

16/04/2008, 18h12	#12
Andreas Prilop Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote: > Just answer the question if you are able to Welcome to Usenet! You post something, we discuss its implications. If the discussion happens to answer a question you've asked, that's incidental. -- Solipsists of the world - unite!

16/04/2008, 18h16	#13
Jonathan N. Little Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a > default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you > can't. Just answer the question, are you making this page for you or for the people who will view it? If for the latter then don't fool with my default font size, it is a pain to have to keep adjusting my found as I go from page to page. End result is "I", and many others, just won't come back which is never a good marketing strategy. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

16/04/2008, 18h42	#14
Beauregard T. Shagnasty Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to > change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to change the size > of their text". Whether or not your visitors know how to change the font size in their browsers is no reason for you to penalize those who don't. Think flexible. The Web is not paper. And we do not have your eyes. > Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a > default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you > can't. Sure you can. Set it for 100%. -- -bts -Friends don't let friends drive Vista

16/04/2008, 18h47	#15
Don Li Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Apr 16, 12:42pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote: > Don Li wrote: > > You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to > > change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to change the size > > of their text". > > Whether or not your visitors know how to change the font size in their > browsers is no reason for you to penalize those who don't. > > Think flexible. The Web is not paper. And we do not have your eyes. > > > Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a > > default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you > > can't. > > Sure you can. Set it for 100%. > Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7?

16/04/2008, 18h53	#16
Andreas Prilop Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote: >> Set it for 100%. > > Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7? 80% is small-print - appropriate when you want to deceive people and hide important information in your contracts. Are you a lawyer? -- I used to believe in reincarnation in a former life.

16/04/2008, 18h57	#17
Don Li Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Apr 16, 12:53pm, Andreas Prilop <prilop2...@trashmail.net> wrote: > On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote: > >> Set it for 100%. > > > Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7? > > 80% is small-print - appropriate when you want to deceive people > and hide important information in your contracts. > > Are you a lawyer? > > -- > I used to believe in reincarnation in a former life. Good Problem resolved. Just don't know why it got many so worked up.

16/04/2008, 19h07	#18
Bergamot Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Harlan Messinger wrote: > Don Li wrote: >> <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;"> > > why are you trying to set the primary font of your page to a > size that's smaller than the user finds convenient to read? Probably because it's Verdana. -- Berg

16/04/2008, 19h21	#19
Bergamot Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > On Apr 16, 11:15 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" > <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote: >> >> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php > > People. Please consider the following factors: Gee, do you think you're the first person ever to come up against this? The subject of font sizes and Verdana has been discussed a nauseating number of times. Whatever excuses you come up with that rationalize your decision to use Verdana at a reduced size for body text ain't gonna fly here. -- Berg

16/04/2008, 19h40	#20
Jonathan N. Little Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > On Apr 16, 12:53 pm, Andreas Prilop <prilop2...@trashmail.net> wrote: >> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote: >>>> Set it for 100%. >>> Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7? >> 80% is small-print - appropriate when you want to deceive people >> and hide important information in your contracts. >> >> Are you a lawyer? >> >> I used to believe in reincarnation in a former life. > > Good Problem resolved. Just don't know why it got many so > worked up. We hoped, (unsuccessfully is this case) to stop the perpetuation of poorly design, inflexible, unaccessible websites that currently pollute the web. The attitudes expressed here underscore the frustration some of your visitors will experience when they wish to visit your site but just cannot read the damn text... -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

16/04/2008, 19h50	#21
Harlan Messinger Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > On Apr 16, 11:51 am, Harlan Messinger > <hmessinger.removet...@comcast.net> wrote: >> Don Li wrote: >>> On Apr 16, 11:15 am, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" >>> <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote: >>>> Don Li wrote: >>>>> I've tried >>>> Please read this:http://tekrider.net/html/fontsize.php >>>>> .. What did I do wrong? >>>> You decided to pick a size which would make many visitors (including me) >>>> squint at the monitor. If 100% is too large for your own taste, decrease >>>> your own browser's default size. But leave it adequate for me. >>>> I expect your post was just a test. Normally you would move the styling >>>> to your CSS style sheet. >>>> -- >>>> -bts >>>> -Friends don't let friends drive Vista >>> People. Please consider the following factors: >>> a) the majority of my users are likely not knowing how to set font >>> size with their browser and I don't intend to provide instruction on >>> that (once again, they are not you, not tech savvy); > >> Your reasoning is backwards. If you think your users will be unable to >> change the size of their text, then that's exactly why you shouldn't >> make it too small for some of them to read. Some people need the type >> to be at least normal size. Nobody needs it smaller. > > You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to > change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to > change the size of their text". What do you think the text consists of besides characters in a font whose size is determined by the font size?

16/04/2008, 19h52	#22
Harlan Messinger Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > On Apr 16, 12:42 pm, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" > <a.nony.m...@example.invalid> wrote: >> Don Li wrote: >>> You're confused with my follow-up note, "not likely to know to how to >>> change font size" is not equal to "will be unable to change the size >>> of their text". >> Whether or not your visitors know how to change the font size in their >> browsers is no reason for you to penalize those who don't. >> >> Think flexible. The Web is not paper. And we do not have your eyes. >> >>> Just answer the question if you are able to, like yes, one can set a >>> default font size to this or that for a page, here's how, no, you >>> can't. >> Sure you can. Set it for 100%. >> > > Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7? Originally by "not working" you explained that you meant that the IE setting remained Medium, and I already told you that of course the setting will remain Medium, that's not what setting the font size in CSS does. So if that's still what you mean by "not working" then the answer is still, "That's not what it's supposed to do."

16/04/2008, 19h55	#23
Don Li Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On Apr 16, 1:40pm, "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4...@central.net> wrote: > Don Li wrote: > > On Apr 16, 12:53 pm, Andreas Prilop <prilop2...@trashmail.net> wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, Don Li wrote: > >>>> Set it for 100%. > >>> Why setting it to 85% or 80% is not working for IE7? > >> 80% is small-print - appropriate when you want to deceive people > >> and hide important information in your contracts. > > >> Are you a lawyer? > > >> I used to believe in reincarnation in a former life. > > > Good Problem resolved. Just don't know why it got many so > > worked up. > > We hoped, (unsuccessfully is this case) to stop the perpetuation of > poorly design, inflexible, unaccessible websites that currently pollute > the web. The attitudes expressed here underscore the frustration some of > your visitors will experience when they wish to visit your site but just > cannot read the damn text... > > -- > Take care, > > Jonathan > ------------------- > LITTLE WORKS STUDIOhttp://www.LittleWorksStudio.com This is really a catch-22 situation. On one hand, if the home page (starting page) using a smaller font size, subsequent pages do not look good while leaving the default font size to 100% does not make the starting page look good.

16/04/2008, 20h10	#24
Jonathan N. Little Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? Don Li wrote: > This is really a catch-22 situation. On one hand, if the home page > (starting page) using a smaller font size, subsequent pages do not > look good while leaving the default font size to 100% does not make > the starting page look good. No. Use default font size of 100% on all pages, there is no Catch-22. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

16/04/2008, 21h00	#25
David E. Ross Messages: n/a Hébergeur:	Re: How to set default font size to small for a page's body? On 4/16/2008 6:58 AM, Don Li wrote: > I've tried > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:0.8em;"> > or > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:11pct;"> > or > <body style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;font-size:80%;"> > to no avail. In IE7 it shows up as Medium. What did I do wrong? > > Thanks. Whatever you do, I will use my Font- and Font+ buttons to set the size to something I can read, thus undoing whatever you have done to set the size of your body font. As others have indicated, you should leave the body of your page at the font size each user has already set in his or her browser preferences. Then set titles, footnotes, and other non-body text at sizes larger or smaller relative to the body font. -- David Ross <http://www.rossde.com/> Have you been using Netscape and now feel abandoned by AOL? Then use SeaMonkey. Go to <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/>.

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