On 4/19/2008 9:45 PM, Patricia Aldoraz wrote:
> On Apr 20, 10:34 am, "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.not> wrote:
>
>> In general, use of a, A, A+ on a Web page gives really bad results for a
>> browser window that is less than full screen and with 800x600 resolution.
>>
>
> Why is it any worse - in general - than a user changing the size of
> his text himself? If the method is via PHP to deliver, eg, a bigger
> font-size from a stylesheet alternative. In other words, you press A+
> and this causes the server to change the applicable css instruction.

I often see the on-page size controls on Web pages of newspapers. When
I try those controls, I find that their CSS is not quite right and that
changing the font sizes makes the CSS errors far more visible. (Yes,
the controls might work through JavaScript; but their effect seems to
change the CSS.) Text in one column often overlaps text in another
column. Images expand unnecessarily. Often, the result is the need to
horizontally (right-left) scroll the page to read. Turning off CSS
(easily done in SeaMonkey) to compensate for these errors often disables
the on-page controls.

I have none of these problems when I use my browser's own size controls.

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>
> Almost all resize features I've seen give the choice of (at most) five
> sizes, generally corresponding to the five sizes selectable via IE's
> font size menu.

I don't recall ever coming across such a site. The more common choices
I've seen are as Mr Shagnasty observed, ranging from something near
xx-small to about medium.

> If we added a control that has more options, say 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14,
> 15, 16 points, then there would be some added value especially to IE
> users,

I don't see how. If an IE user needs something other than the 5 standard
choices it provides, don't you think they would have figured out how to
get the default size they really want, and in a way that would work on
more than 1 site?

Your other statements supporting this font sizing idea are a real
stretch, I think.

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Ed Mullen wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Bergamot wrote:
>>
>>> What's your idea of "bigger" type?
>>
>>
>> XXXXXXX X X X XXXXXXX
>> X X X X X
>> X X X X X
>> X XXXXXXX X XXXXXXX
>> X X X X X
>> X X X X X
>> X X X X XXXXXXX
>>
>>
>>
> Or maybe this?
>
> http://edmullen.net/temp/Clibpoard02.jpg

Dingdingdingding! Winner!

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On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Michael Stemper wrote:

>> but it seems they have first set the BODY size to something small
>> and then the P size to something larger.
>
> I was wondering what it was.

You find it in
http://en.wikipedia.org/skins-1.5/monobook/main.css

body { font: x-small sans-serif; ...
#globalWrapper { font-size: 127%; ...

So just put
#globalWrapper { font-size: 100% !important }
into your userContent.css
:-)

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Scripsit Bergamot:

> Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
>>
>> Almost all resize features I've seen give the choice of (at most)
>> five sizes, generally corresponding to the five sizes selectable via
>> IE's font size menu.
>
> I don't recall ever coming across such a site. The more common choices
> I've seen are as Mr Shagnasty observed, ranging from something near
> xx-small to about medium.

OK, I formulated my thought poorly. I meant that there are typically
just five choices, or some fairly small number of choices, which is as
coarse as the IE menu - and often even _less_ useful, since the sizes
are smaller.

>> If we added a control that has more options, say 9, 10, 11, 12, 13,
>> 14, 15, 16 points, then there would be some added value especially
>> to IE users,
>
> I don't see how.

If you prefer 11 points, for example, this is how you would get it. IE's
menu does not let you choose that "intermediate" size.

> If an IE user needs something other than the 5
> standard choices it provides, don't you think they would have figured
> out how to get the default size they really want, and in a way that
> would work on more than 1 site?

No, I don't. Think about a support site for people suffering from rare
diseases. Many of those people might not use the web much if at all,
_except_ for information relevant to the disease. Not being regular
netizens, they might use a computer in a library today, their friend's
computer tomorrow.

> Your other statements supporting this font sizing idea are a real
> stretch, I think.

It wasn't really my idea. I was actually argumenting against it, when
the above scenario was suggested.

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