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Vieux 04/04/2008, 10h11   #1
Geoff Cox
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Hello,

I have a page for which downloading into the browser is very slow.

I have tried using YSlow and firebug but is there any way in which I
can actually see which files are taking a long time to be downloaded?

Cheers

Geoff
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Vieux 04/04/2008, 10h26   #2
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Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote in
news:r1sbv3taf2mcem76n9co28ps1j9c3t3lbo@4ax.com:

> Hello,
>
> I have a page for which downloading into the browser is very slow.
>
> I have tried using YSlow and firebug but is there any way in which I
> can actually see which files are taking a long time to be downloaded?
>
> Cheers
>
> Geoff
>


Does not the firebug Net tab tell you this? It does for me.

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Vieux 04/04/2008, 11h17   #3
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Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote in
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> rf wrote:
>
>> Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote in
>> news:r1sbv3taf2mcem76n9co28ps1j9c3t3lbo@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I have a page for which downloading into the browser is very slow.
>>>
>>> I have tried using YSlow and firebug but is there any way in which I
>>> can actually see which files are taking a long time to be
>>> downloaded?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>

>> Does not the firebug Net tab tell you this? It does for me.

>
> Nifty. Never dug far enough into FB to see that. For each file I get
> a graph bar whose length is proportional to the file's d/l time. But
> that bar is broken into two parts -- a grey left side and a teal right
> side. What does this split indicate?
>


Er. It's actually broken into three, a white bit, a grey bit and a cyan
(teal?) bit.

From what I can determine the white bit is that particular file waiting
for an available connection to the host (as in a TCP/IP socket, assuming
the client only has a few to hand). The grey bit is from posting the
request to receiving the entire object. The teal bit is where they post
the milliseconds.

It looks a lot better if you hit a site in another country (as we in the
Antipodes often do). For example, loading the google logo from wherever
they are in .au takes 31ms. Loading the same image from the U S of A
takes 375ms. The grey bit is a whole lot larger.

The OP seems to think that the hole in the wall that his cat5 cable is
plugged into is in direct and close connection to every host out there.
Not so. Over her we *expect* a turnaround time of 300ms for *every*
request we make to most of the rest of the world.

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Vieux 04/04/2008, 11h22   #4
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rf <rf@invalid.com> wrote in news:QenJj.5837$n8.4510@news-
server.bigpond.net.au:


> The OP seems to think that the hole in the wall that his cat5 cable is
> plugged into is in direct and close connection to every host out there.
> Not so. Over her we *expect* a turnaround time of 300ms for *every*
> request we make to most of the rest of the world.


Er, this paragraph more correctly applies to whoever is talking about
latency in another thread/group.

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Vieux 04/04/2008, 11h36   #5
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rf wrote:

> Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote in
> news:r1sbv3taf2mcem76n9co28ps1j9c3t3lbo@4ax.com:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have a page for which downloading into the browser is very slow.
>>
>> I have tried using YSlow and firebug but is there any way in which I can
>> actually see which files are taking a long time to be downloaded?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Geoff
>>
>>

> Does not the firebug Net tab tell you this? It does for me.


Nifty. Never dug far enough into FB to see that. For each file I get a
graph bar whose length is proportional to the file's d/l time. But that
bar is broken into two parts -- a grey left side and a teal right side.
What does this split indicate?

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Vieux 04/04/2008, 13h04   #6
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On Fri, 04 Apr 2008 10:17:20 GMT, rf <rf@invalid.com> wrote:

>Er. It's actually broken into three, a white bit, a grey bit and a cyan
>(teal?) bit.
>
>From what I can determine the white bit is that particular file waiting
>for an available connection to the host (as in a TCP/IP socket, assuming
>the client only has a few to hand). The grey bit is from posting the
>request to receiving the entire object. The teal bit is where they post
>the milliseconds.


I do see the above for 9 requests but thn there is sometimes a delay
of 2 minutes before I can use the page .. it's that bit that I want to
check on and Firebug shows nothing even after the 2 minutes ...?

There must be some software which would show up what is happening?

Cheers

Geoff
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Vieux 04/04/2008, 14h36   #7
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In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html Geoff Cox wrote:
> [Firebug]
> I do see the above for 9 requests but thn there is sometimes a delay
> of 2 minutes before I can use the page .. it's that bit that I want
> to check on and Firebug shows nothing even after the 2 minutes ...?
>
> There must be some software which would show up what is happening?


Will this , prehaps?

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/

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Vieux 04/04/2008, 17h18   #8
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rf wrote:

> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote in
> news:pan.2008.04.04.10.36.09.280916@thurston.blink ynet.net:
>
>> rf wrote:
>>
>>> Geoff Cox <gcox@freeuk.notcom> wrote in
>>> news:r1sbv3taf2mcem76n9co28ps1j9c3t3lbo@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I have a page for which downloading into the browser is very slow.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried using YSlow and firebug but is there any way in which I
>>>> can actually see which files are taking a long time to be downloaded?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Geoff
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Does not the firebug Net tab tell you this? It does for me.

>>
>> Nifty. Never dug far enough into FB to see that. For each file I get a
>> graph bar whose length is proportional to the file's d/l time. But that
>> bar is broken into two parts -- a grey left side and a teal right side.
>> What does this split indicate?
>>
>>

> Er. It's actually broken into three, a white bit, a grey bit and a cyan
> (teal?) bit.
>
> From what I can determine the white bit is that particular file waiting
> for an available connection to the host (as in a TCP/IP socket, assuming
> the client only has a few to hand). The grey bit is from posting the
> request to receiving the entire object. The teal bit is where they post
> the milliseconds.


Ah! I gotcha. The cyan is just the background and the white/grey are
graph bars. That makes sense now. Thanks. You've probably seen the
black and white image (no greys) that's either a side giew of a goblet
*or* two faces in profile, almost nose to nose. I was viewing each line
"the other way" -- with the cyan portion being the object (the graph bar)
instead of the background. Like the goblet/faces image, once you see
both, you can easily flip your perception back and forth between the two.


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