I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
is the correct way? TIA

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On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:44 +0100, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
<ng4rrjanbiah@rediffmail.com> wrote:

> I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
> I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
> is the correct way? TIA

I just call it 'important', because that what it is. The ! is just a
delimiter.
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules
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On Mar 20, 3:41 pm, "Rik Wasmus" <luiheidsgoe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:44 +0100, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
>
> <ng4rrjanb...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
> > I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
> > is the correct way? TIA
>
> I just call it 'important', because that what it is. The ! is just a
> delimiter.http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules

"important" is the meaning and I understand it. But, think about
the situation of teacher who has to refer the notation when he write
it on board; how should he refer?

<OT>
Here in South India, people refer a*b as "a into b". But, lately I
have seen that Dijkstra refers it as "a times b" (in a google video).
</OT>

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R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
> On Mar 20, 3:41 pm, "Rik Wasmus" <luiheidsgoe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:44 +0100, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
>>
>> <ng4rrjanb...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
>>> I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
>>> is the correct way? TIA
>> I just call it 'important', because that what it is. The ! is just a
>> delimiter.http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules
>
> "important" is the meaning and I understand it. But, think about
> the situation of teacher who has to refer the notation when he write
> it on board; how should he refer?
>
> <OT>
> Here in South India, people refer a*b as "a into b". But, lately I
> have seen that Dijkstra refers it as "a times b" (in a google video).
> </OT>

Really? In the US, "a into b" means "b divided by a" = b/a.

On Mar 20, 4:21 pm, "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah"
<ng4rrjanb...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> <OT>
> Here in South India, people refer a*b as "a into b". But, lately I
> have seen that Dijkstra refers it as "a times b" (in a google video).
> </OT>

Yes. a/b is referred as "a by b" in Mathematical context and "a
bar b" referring door numbers (e.g., 20/5). And sometimes "a slash b"
in programming context.

When we start discussing about countries and cultures, we'd get
crazy info. FWIW, I got surprised when someone in a.e.u informed me
that asking marital status in Western countries is an offense.

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On Mar 20, 4:32 pm, David Stone <no.em...@domain.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0dda...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanb...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
> > > > I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
> > > > I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
> > > > is the correct way? TIA
<snip>
> By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"
>
> Seems to work...

In C, we refer "!" as "not". So, I refer "!important" as "not
important". But, I'm still interested in official way of referring.

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R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
> On Mar 20, 4:32 pm, David Stone wrote:
>> In article <blahblah.googlegroups.com>, "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" wrote:
> <snip>
>>>>> I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
>>>>> I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
>>>>> is the correct way? TIA
> <snip>
>> By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"
>>
>> Seems to work...
>
> In C, we refer "!" as "not". So, I refer "!important" as "not
> important". But, I'm still interested in official way of referring.

In C, the "!" is a negator. So !bValid is not bValid.

In CSS, the "!" is a deliminator, not a negator. So in speaking, it's
usually not pronounced; one just says "the CSS rules marked important
take precedence..."

In trying to explain to novices what to write, you might use the term
they understand as the "!" symbol. I call it an "exclamation mark" (or
maybe "exclamation point"), and never called it a "bang." So I would
say, "mark that declaration with exclamation mark-important."

What do normal folks who aren't busy programming in C call the "!"?

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R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah <ng4rrjanbiah@rediffmail.com> wrote:

> In C, we refer "!" as "not". So, I refer "!important" as "not
> important". But, I'm still interested in official way of referring.

But this is not C it's CSS, which is a totally different topic.

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On 2008-03-20, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah <ng4rrjanbiah@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 20, 4:32 pm, David Stone <no.em...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>> In article
>> <9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0dda...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanb...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>> > > > I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
>> > > > I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
>> > > > is the correct way? TIA
> <snip>
>> By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"
>>
>> Seems to work...
>
> In C, we refer "!" as "not". So, I refer "!important" as "not
> important". But, I'm still interested in official way of referring.

That's because in C ! means "not". But it doesn't mean that in CSS!

The ! is commonly known as "pling".

R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah wrote:
> On Mar 20, 4:32 pm, David Stone <no.em...@domain.invalid> wrote:
>> In article
>> <9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0dda...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanb...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
> <snip>
>>>>> I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
>>>>> I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
>>>>> is the correct way? TIA
> <snip>
>> By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"
>>
>> Seems to work...
>
> In C, we refer "!" as "not". So, I refer "!important" as "not
> important".

You refer to it as "not" in C because in C it *means* "not". That
meaning doesn't convey to CSS, where it isn't any more fitting to call
it "not" than it is to call it "factorial" (because that's what "!"
signifies in standard mathematical notation as well as in the APL
computer language) or "single" (because in Visual Basic "!" marks a
single-precision floating point numeric constant).

> But, I'm still interested in official way of referring.

There isn't any official way and, as others have said, just saying
"important" is typically enough, unless you're spelling it out for
someone who's typing some CSS at your instruction. In that case, "bang"
is a traditional name for the exclamation point if you don't want to say
"exclamation point" in full.

On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:
> In article
><9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0ddaae0@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
> "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 20, 3:41 pm, "Rik Wasmus" <luiheidsgoe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:44 +0100, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
>> >
>> > <ng4rrjanb...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>> > > I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to "!important".
>> > > I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess, it's wrong. What
>> > > is the correct way? TIA
>> >
>> > I just call it 'important', because that what it is. The ! is just a
>> > delimiter.http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules
>>
>> "important" is the meaning and I understand it. But, think about
>> the situation of teacher who has to refer the notation when he write
>> it on board; how should he refer?
>
> By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"

I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it
comes from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?

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Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

> On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:
>> In article
>><9231b3ea-e956-40c1-9a01-4a81a0ddaae0@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
>> "R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah" <ng4rrjanbiah@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 20, 3:41 pm, "Rik Wasmus" <luiheidsgoe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> > On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 11:21:44 +0100, R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah
>>> >
>>> > <ng4rrjanb...@rediffmail.com> wrote:
>>> > > I'm just wondering, what is the correct way to refer to
>>> > > "!important". I currently refer it is "not important"--but I guess,
>>> > > it's wrong. What is the correct way? TIA
>>> >
>>> > I just call it 'important', because that what it is. The ! is just a
>>> > delimiter.http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#important-rules
>>>
>>> "important" is the meaning and I understand it. But, think about
>>> the situation of teacher who has to refer the notation when he write it
>>> on board; how should he refer?
>>
>> By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"
>
> I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it comes
> from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?

You've never read/seen/heard the

#!

(as in #!/bin/bash

as "shebang"?


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On 2008-03-20, Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>> On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:
....
>>> By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"
>>
>> I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it comes
>> from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?
>
> You've never read/seen/heard the
>
> #!
>
> (as in #!/bin/bash
>
> as "shebang"?

shebang != bang

The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in
bang paths.

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Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:

> On 2008-03-20, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Chris F.A. Johnson wrote:
>>> On 2008-03-20, David Stone wrote:
> ...
>>>> By analogy with shell scripts "bang important"
>>>
>>> I've never used the term 'bang' in shell scripting. Surely it comes
>>> from the old bang paths (for e-mail, etc.)?
>>
>> You've never read/seen/heard the
>>
>> #!
>>
>> (as in #!/bin/bash
>>
>> as "shebang"?
>
> shebang != bang

I know, and did not say it did. I asked a related question.

> The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in bang
> paths.

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R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah meinte:

> When we start discussing about countries and cultures, we'd get
> crazy info. FWIW, I got surprised when someone in a.e.u informed me
> that asking marital status in Western countries is an offense.

It isn't. As long as you're not Borat...[1]

Gregor

[1]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borat:_Cultural_Learnings_of_America_for_Make_Bene fit_Glorious_Nation_of_Kazakhstan>


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On 20 Mar, 18:49, "Chris F.A. Johnson" <cfajohn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in
> bang paths.

Unlikely, as the term shebang pre-dates bang paths by some years.

In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets message <68b8d$47e2b1ce$ce
f88ba3$23057@TEKSAVVY.COM>, Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:49:50, Chris F.A.
Johnson <cfajohnson@gmail.com> posted:
>
> The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in
> bang paths.

The word is most unlikely to have been derived from something that only
came into existence about a century after Mark Twain used the word : see
<http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-whole-shebang.html>.

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Dr J R Stockton wrote:

> In comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets message <68b8d$47e2b1ce$ce
> f88ba3$23057@TEKSAVVY.COM>, Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:49:50, Chris F.A. Johnson
> <cfajohnson@gmail.com> posted:
>>
>> The term 'shebang' may or may not be derived from the bang in bang
>> paths.
>
> The word is most unlikely to have been derived from something that only
> came into existence about a century after Mark Twain used the word : see
> <http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/the-whole-shebang.html>.

And of course I never implied that there wasn't an existing word "shebang"
that was borrowed as a ref to the symbol pair, the latter symbol of which
is a bang.

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