Harry Lockwood <hlockwood@verizon.net> wrote:

> In article <npluq3t1eu5vcdqbc3v14mo9lqdv8hokj9@4ax.com>,
> Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
> > tacit <tacitr@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <8jjrq3tcilf5vptk3njci8pdt72r3ge1po@4ax.com>,
> > > Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't do sharpening, but I don't see if it will make any difference if
> > > > you sharpen first/next/last (to Image Size).
> > >
> > > It does make a difference. Sharpening works by exaggerating areas of
> > > high contrast, which it does by darkening the dark side of an edge and
> > > lightening the light side of an edge. If you sharpen, then afterward
> > > resize, much of the effect of the sharpening is lost.
> >
> > I think you misquoted my quote. And I dunno if I need to response to your
> > message or not since you say thing I didn't say. Below is what I
> > repsonsed to.
> >
> > ================================================== ========
> > > No expert here, but for me, where a print is the final output, I would
> > > sharpen only after choosing Image Size.
> > ================================================== ===========
>
> Since I'm quoted here, I'll jump back into this thread.
>
> The rationale for my suggestion is based on my usual workflow. After
> the scan (35mm) is loaded into PS, I may typically have several
> adjustment layers (Levels, Curves) for tonal or color corrections and
> possibly other layers as well. In addition, I will have cropped out any
> overscan or areas that are to be excluded. The image is now ready for
> printing. I then choose the Image Size for the print, then sharpen as
> needed.

Overscan area is another story and it should be cropped either before
processing or even before scanning. But that isn't exactly what cropping is
about.

> After the print is in hand, and before saving my changes I remove the
> resize and sharpen steps. (Or I may save the file before resizing and
> sharpening.) This way, should I wish to make further changes to the
> image in the future, they will be made on the original 16-bit image at
> full resolution. I will also be able to choose a different printing
> scheme (size, paper) and, perhaps, a different sharpening scheme.

Me? I only crop *after* the original SAVED, and to me, cropping isn't just
to reduce the size but another level of post processing which including
tilting and few extra process(es) to give the image a newer face.

> Also, take note of tacit's remark. The generally recommended procedure
> is to sharpen only after resizing (the last step in Bruce Fraser's
> 3-step sharpening workflow.)

I don' t know what Bruce Fraser is or was, but I know who Joel is and I go
with Joel's technique <bg>

> HFL

Harry Lockwood <hlockwood@verizon.net> wrote:

> > Overscan area is another story and it should be cropped either before
> > processing or even before scanning. But that isn't exactly what cropping is
> > about.
>
> Crop the scan before scanning? Probably a miscommunication here. But,
> I agree there's more to cropping (see below.)

YES, most if not all scanner have option to select what you want to scan,
and some even have the option to auto-detect the photo.

Yes, even my 4-5+ years old Epson Perfection has the feature.

> > > After the print is in hand, and before saving my changes I remove the
> > > resize and sharpen steps. (Or I may save the file before resizing and
> > > sharpening.) This way, should I wish to make further changes to the
> > > image in the future, they will be made on the original 16-bit image at
> > > full resolution. I will also be able to choose a different printing
> > > scheme (size, paper) and, perhaps, a different sharpening scheme.
> >
> > Me? I only crop *after* the original SAVED, and to me, cropping isn't just
> > to reduce the size but another level of post processing which including
> > tilting and few extra process(es) to give the image a newer face.
>
> Yes, I agree. In my attempt at brevity, I left out perspective
> correction. I also, frequently, but not always, save and archive the
> raw scan.

I haven't done any scanning for many years to have any specific routine.
About over a decade ago I upgraded to a newer scanner to scan some old
family photos for restoration, then about 4-5+ years ago I upgraded to the
Epson Perfection which has option to scan negative film to scan -3 old films
and haven't used it since.

Back to the cropping, the old Epson Perfection auto-detect and setect the
photo so no need for cropping, and it allows to select the area to scan too.
> > > Also, take note of tacit's remark. The generally recommended procedure
> > > is to sharpen only after resizing (the last step in Bruce Fraser's
> > > 3-step sharpening workflow.)
> >
> > I don' t know what Bruce Fraser is or was, but I know who Joel is and I go
> > with Joel's technique <bg>
> >
> > > HFL
>
> Might be worth googling Bruce Fraser.

If he is one of my relative then it may worth to google, else I don't see
any good reason to know some stranger <bg>

> Thanks for the input.
>
> HFL