Hi Mike,

Sorry for the extremely long lag in reply, the project had to be set
aside for a while.

I've done what you suggested (changed my working space RGB to sRGB
IEC61966-2.1 and checked off "ask when opening") but I'm still
experiencing the same problem.

First, I've been editing the photo in Lightroom then exporting the
images. When I check these pics in Preview, colors look correct.

When I open an image in Photoshop, I now have three options available:
(1) Use the embedded profile, (2) Convert document's colors to the
working space and (3) Discard profile. If I choose #1 or #2, the
image looks "correct" in Photoshop but in either case, when I use
"Save for Web & Devices," I can see in the preview area that the image
is back to its pre-Lightroom colors.

I can "fix" this now by simply using "Save As..." instead of "Save for
Web & Devices but I'd like to be able to use the latter if possible.

Any thoughts?

Thanks much,
Jason

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 16:22:13 -0700 (PDT), bodhiSoma wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Sorry for the extremely long lag in reply, the project had to be set
> aside for a while.
>
> I've done what you suggested (changed my working space RGB to sRGB
> IEC61966-2.1 and checked off "ask when opening") but I'm still
> experiencing the same problem.
>
> First, I've been editing the photo in Lightroom then exporting the
> images. When I check these pics in Preview, colors look correct.
>
> When I open an image in Photoshop, I now have three options available:
> (1) Use the embedded profile, (2) Convert document's colors to the
> working space and (3) Discard profile. If I choose #1 or #2, the
> image looks "correct" in Photoshop but in either case, when I use
> "Save for Web & Devices," I can see in the preview area that the image
> is back to its pre-Lightroom colors.
>
> I can "fix" this now by simply using "Save As..." instead of "Save for
> Web & Devices but I'd like to be able to use the latter if possible.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks much,
> Jason

Hi Jason,

Always select option 2 - convert to working space. If you select number 1,
the image will stay in its original color space (Adobe RGB, as I recall),
and it will lose colors when viewed on the web (or in any other non color
aware app. I don't think that's your problem, though.

As an experiment, try using your monitor profile as the working space, or
convert to that profile before saving. If that preserves the colors, then
I would suspect that your monitor profile is off. For a CRT, run Adobe
Gamma. For an LCD monitor, I would recommend loading a profile from the
manufacturer, or using a calibration device, rather than using what you
have now.

It's been a while, so I don't remember whether you posted any examples. If
you haven't already, upload some images to flickr.com, or a similar site,
so we can see what you're describing.
--
Mike Russell - http://www.curvemeister.com

Hi Mike, thanks for the reply. Now I'm just really confused...

The picture gets imported into Photoshop CS 3 no problem. I can even
save the picture and if I view it with Finder (OS X), it looks
correct.

But when I view the picture with Firefox, it looks completely
desaturated. Here's an example:

http://pho7o.com/images/DSC_4001.jpg

....and yet if I send this picture to a friend as an attachment and
they open it locally, the saturation is correct.

I suppose I could fix some setting in Firefox but that will only
me, not everyone who sees my pics.

Thanks,
Jason

Well this is interesting... If I save the file as a png, the
saturation looks correct (in Photoshop, Finder AND Firefox).

I can't think of any reason I'd *have* to use JPG over PNG so I'll
just stick with PNG.

Thanks!,
Jason

"bodhiSoma" <bodhisoma@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:873d7b13-4901-4b3a-ad44-047518dfed03@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Mike, thanks for the reply. Now I'm just really confused...
>
> The picture gets imported into Photoshop CS 3 no problem. I can even
> save the picture and if I view it with Finder (OS X), it looks
> correct.
>
> But when I view the picture with Firefox, it looks completely
> desaturated. Here's an example:
>
> http://pho7o.com/images/DSC_4001.jpg

That ain't desaturated. It's glowing with over-saturation.

On Apr 27, 12:47pm, "Pico" <pico at idrailogid.ten> wrote:

> That ain't desaturated. It's glowing with over-saturation.

Perhaps I picked a bad photo as an example. That was shot in a car
with very low light so the streetlights cast some really crazy
colors. Given it was shot in RAW and that the JPG I linked earlier
was losing all its color info, that's actually the pic right out of
the camera (no tone, color, sharpening, nada).

Here's that same pic but one saved as JPG, one saved as PNG (how I
*wanted* it too look):

JPG: http://pho7o.com/images/DSC_4001.jpg
PNG: http://pho7o.com/images/DSC_4001a.png

I'm guessing the problem is with Firefox, from what I've heard it
doesn't read color profiles which would explain why it looks fine
everywhere but Firefox.

Assuming this is correct -- and I'm no expert so it might very well
not be -- I suppose I could always have Photoshop not use any
profile. Unfortunately, that would make my exports from Lightroom
useless and that's where I do 95% of my adjustments.

Thoughts?

TIA,
Jason

On Apr 27, 10:25 pm, tacit <tac...@aol.com> wrote:
> Don't embed profiles in images intended for the Web.
> --
> Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Are you sure? I know that you are an expert but that doesn't sound
right. I have been embedding sRGB profiles with everything I send out
on the web and I haven't noticed a problem. I mostly use Firefox but
also post a lot of images to forums.

Thanks,
Ron

On Apr 29, 5:49 pm, tacit <tac...@aol.com> wrote:
> In article
> <c7e0db6e-9c51-433c-a22b-d3bf21a8f...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "ronvi...@gmail.com" <ronvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Are you sure? I know that you are an expert but that doesn't sound
> > right. I have been embedding sRGB profiles with everything I send out
> > on the web and I haven't noticed a problem. I mostly use Firefox but
> > also post a lot of images to forums.
>
> The profile makes your file size bigger, but does not improve the
> quality of the image--many browsers do not do color management, and
> those that do assume sRGB anyway if there's no profile.
>
> --
> Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all athttp://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Well, I can't find a flaw in your reasoning but I am not happy about
giving up that control.
Thanks,
Ron