Hello,

I'm trying to build a fluid design site, as a lot do, and encounter a
problem. Here are the characteristics the site has to respect :

1) No border nor scroll if site is in an iframe or <object>
2) 3 col. layout with the middle one which adjust itself automatically
3) Minimum of width to do header's elements stay organized horizontally
4) That the shortest columns adjust themselves automatically from the
longest one

So, I've solved the first three points, but can't succeed about the last
one, in spite of reading of several possible ways, including factice
container columns and the one using height:100% on div.

Here is a test page of what I have just now :
http://yohannl.tripod.com/3col/index.htm (thanks to ignore the ad
banners at top and bottom which come from this hoster I use for some
tests only)

Do you have some idea about this point #4, without to break anything
about solved points #1, #2 and #3 ?

Yohan N. Leder wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to build a fluid design site, as a lot do, and encounter a
> problem. Here are the characteristics the site has to respect :
>
> 1) No border nor scroll if site is in an iframe or <object>
> 2) 3 col. layout with the middle one which adjust itself automatically
> 3) Minimum of width to do header's elements stay organized horizontally
> 4) That the shortest columns adjust themselves automatically from the
> longest one
>
> So, I've solved the first three points, but can't succeed about the last
> one, in spite of reading of several possible ways, including factice
> container columns and the one using height:100% on div.
>
> Here is a test page of what I have just now :
> http://yohannl.tripod.com/3col/index.htm (thanks to ignore the ad
> banners at top and bottom which come from this hoster I use for some
> tests only)
>
> Do you have some idea about this point #4, without to break anything
> about solved points #1, #2 and #3 ?

This has been discussed over in alt.www.webmaster and probably here
as well. Various examples are on the web.

I don't have a reference to it but there's a few threads around Jan
22 (I think) that goes into some detail on the three approaches to this
Holy Grail of tableless design.

Perhaps someone else will reprise at least one of these.

Jeff

dorayme wrote:
>
> <http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/3co...th-borders-ful
> l-width.html>

Not wishing to irritate you, but I've noticed a few times that your
links are split and ruined by your "MT-NewsWatcher". Perhaps you have a
setting to "no-wrap"?

For a working mail/news client, the < > delimiters will not wrap the
links within them.

Give Mozilla's Thunderbird a try on your Mac. It works great there as well.

--
Gus

dorayme wrote:
> In article <13u8uoctn6hlqdc@corp.supernews.com>,
> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps someone else will reprise at least one of these.
>>
>> Jeff
>
> I am something if not someone,

Why would you say that?

will I do?

More than that.
>
> How about:

How about yours? I think it was my favorite as it had simplicity and
directness. Three column is often a bit hard to "code" when you have to
generate the math behind the numbers, making it hard to tweak sizes.
Yours didn't have any of that although #3 example is similar.

I saved all our discussion on this. Now if I only could remember what
I named it.

Jeff

>
> <http://examples.tobyinkster.co.uk/3col>
>
> <http://benmeadowcroft.com/webdev/csstemplates/3-column.html>
>
> <http://accessat.c-net.us/test/template-3col.html>
>
> <http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/3co...th-borders-ful
> l-width.html>
>

dorayme wrote:
> In article <h8ednXc3dKg6EHnanZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@golden.net>,
> Gus Richter <gusrichter@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>> dorayme wrote:
>>> <http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/3co...th-borders-ful
>>> l-width.html>
>> Not wishing to irritate you, but I've noticed a few times that your
>> links are split and ruined by your "MT-NewsWatcher". Perhaps you have a
>> setting to "no-wrap"?
>>
>> For a working mail/news client, the < > delimiters will not wrap the
>> links within them.
>>
>> Give Mozilla's Thunderbird a try on your Mac. It works great there as well.
>
> Gus, I don't think you could irritate me. I have a database and
> you have *many* credit points and they are building all the time.
> It worries me when this happens because it means you can be as
> rude as you like and I can't do anything about it till the points
> reach zero. <g>
>
> I despair about the url problem. I think I will ask in a Mac
> group about it. I have tried several things and I think nothing I
> do seems quite satisfactory to everyone. I would be loathe to
> give up MT. I will try any suggestions from anyone.
>
> There are three things I am going to try:
>
> 1. I am going to take some no_bugger_up_url pills
>
> 2. I will use a different wrap preference. I have had wrap on and
> set to 65 and maybe that is the problem. I will try no wrap at
> all.
>
> 3. Or if this has disastrous consequences I will increase the
> wrap to say 72 or more chars.

None of that should be necessary with a decent program. The line
wrapping setting aside, if the URL extends several times the existing
setting and the URL is wrapped in the < > delimiters, then the URL
should be carried on the same line unbroken. That's the reason for the
delimiters. I know people on Mac that love Thunderbird. If you don't
wish to use it for your Mail Client, then try it for News only. Use both
for News until you are convinced. At least switch to one that works right.

--
Gus

Gus Richter wrote:
> dorayme wrote:
>> In article <h8ednXc3dKg6EHnanZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@golden.net>,
>> Gus Richter <gusrichter@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>> dorayme wrote:
>>>> <http://www.bergamotus.ws/samples/3co...th-borders-ful
>>>> l-width.html>
>>> Not wishing to irritate you, but I've noticed a few times that your
>>> links are split and ruined by your "MT-NewsWatcher". Perhaps you have
>>> a setting to "no-wrap"?
>>>
>>> For a working mail/news client, the < > delimiters will not wrap the
>>> links within them.
>>>
>>> Give Mozilla's Thunderbird a try on your Mac. It works great there as
>>> well.
>>
>> Gus, I don't think you could irritate me. I have a database and you
>> have *many* credit points and they are building all the time. It
>> worries me when this happens because it means you can be as rude as
>> you like and I can't do anything about it till the points reach zero. <g>
>>
>> I despair about the url problem. I think I will ask in a Mac group
>> about it. I have tried several things and I think nothing I do seems
>> quite satisfactory to everyone. I would be loathe to give up MT. I
>> will try any suggestions from anyone.
>> There are three things I am going to try:
>>
>> 1. I am going to take some no_bugger_up_url pills
>>
>> 2. I will use a different wrap preference. I have had wrap on and set
>> to 65 and maybe that is the problem. I will try no wrap at all.
>> 3. Or if this has disastrous consequences I will increase the wrap to
>> say 72 or more chars.
>
> None of that should be necessary with a decent program.

Gus, Why don't you post a link with a nice long url so we can see what
it looks like.

Jeff


The line
> wrapping setting aside, if the URL extends several times the existing
> setting and the URL is wrapped in the < > delimiters, then the URL
> should be carried on the same line unbroken. That's the reason for the
> delimiters. I know people on Mac that love Thunderbird. If you don't
> wish to use it for your Mail Client, then try it for News only. Use both
> for News until you are convinced. At least switch to one that works right.
>

Jeff wrote:

> Gus Richter wrote:
>> [link wrap]
>> None of that should be necessary with a decent program.
>
> Gus, Why don't you post a link with a nice long url so we can see
> what it looks like.

Both you and Gus are using the same newsreader: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12

Here's a long one:

<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=new+york+city,+ny&ie=UTF 8&ll=40.719811,-73.996696&spn=0.093544,0.236206&t=k&z=13&iwloc=add r>

--
-bts
-Friends don't let friends drive Vista

Jeff wrote:

> Gus, Why don't you post a link with a nice long url so we can see what
> it looks like.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...string&spell=1

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Take care,

Jonathan
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