Okay, so here's the deal...I'm tired of the shitty user data tracking
stuff that my server comes with and so I want to make my own. Peachy.
I want to track the following variables:

ip_address
time
day
month
year
referring_url
current_url
language
browser
browser_version
operating_system
screen_width
screen_height
_enabled
java_enabled
flash_enabled
flash_version
color_depth

Now, with PHP I can get about half of 'em. But the rest I can only
get through javascri-

*checks something*

Huh, never mind.

I was gonna ask how to transfer javascript variables to php without
having to reload the page, but then I remember I already went through
this with the perfect liquid site.

Solution is simple, just call a php file as if it were an image, like:
<img src='blah.php?details=whatever'>

You can construct the image tag and such with document writes to get
the javascript variables into it. After which, when the page loads,
it'll simultaneously launch that php page with the transferred
javascript variables (done via post). That php page can then write
the relevant data to the database and can even spit back out an image
for the original site.

....hrmmm...*contemplates on how such a form could be exploited*

I wonder if that's how a lot of those browser exploits operate.
*shrugs*

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:11:52 -0700, Onideus Mad Hatter
<usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote:

>Okay, so here's the deal...I'm tired of the shitty user data tracking
>stuff that my server comes with and so I want to make my own. Peachy.
>I want to track the following variables:
>
>ip_address
>time
>day
>month
>year
>referring_url
>current_url
>language
>browser
>browser_version
>operating_system
>screen_width
>screen_height
>_enabled
>java_enabled
>flash_enabled
>flash_version
>color_depth

Woot!

It's finished!

Tada:
http://www.backwater-productions.net...stem_info.html

All you should see is an image and I gets all yer user data. ^_^

Next I need to make some pages that can take the database info and
construct various graphs and stats from it.

The only thing I'm a little fuzzy on is geographical location. My
current server stat tracking chit seems to be able to track by
location, but I'm not sure how it's doing that. I mean is it actually
checking the IP addy or is it just going by the language setting? And
if it is by the IP addy is there some kind of reference guide or
something that can determine location or would some kind of server
side WHOIS be needed to run on each IP to check? Or is it something
else entirely?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> Okay, so here's the deal...I'm tired of the shitty user data tracking
> stuff that my server comes with and so I want to make my own. Peachy.
> I want to track the following variables:
>
> ip_address
> time
> day
> month
> year
> referring_url
> current_url
> language
> browser
> browser_version
> operating_system
> screen_width
> screen_height
> _enabled
> java_enabled
> flash_enabled
> flash_version
> color_depth
>
> Now, with PHP I can get about half of 'em. But the rest I can only
> get through javascri-
>
> *checks something*
>
> Huh, never mind.
>
> I was gonna ask how to transfer javascript variables to php without
> having to reload the page, but then I remember I already went through
> this with the perfect liquid site.
>
> Solution is simple, just call a php file as if it were an image, like:
> <img src='blah.php?details=whatever'>
>
> You can construct the image tag and such with document writes to get
> the javascript variables into it. After which, when the page loads,
> it'll simultaneously launch that php page with the transferred
> javascript variables (done via post). That php page can then write
> the relevant data to the database and can even spit back out an image
> for the original site.
>
> ...hrmmm...*contemplates on how such a form could be exploited*
>
> I wonder if that's how a lot of those browser exploits operate.
> *shrugs*
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm ¹ x ¹
> http://www.backwater-productions.net
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>
>
> Hatter Quotes
> -------------
> "You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
> best."
>
> "I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
> with it."
>
> "I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
>
> "Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."
>
> "Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"
>
> "Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
> bad."
>
> "There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."
>
> "The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
>
> "Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
> of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
>
> "Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
> that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
> of its relevancy."
>
> "Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
> creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
>
> "Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
>
> "People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
> they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
> givin em out for free."
>
> "Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
> So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
> to their merry little mess."
>
> "There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
> horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
> their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
> sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
> images burned into their tiny little minds'."
>
> "How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
> properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
>
> "Those who record history are those who control history."
>
> "I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
> endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
> don't get sent to me...I come for you."
>
> "Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
> tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."
>
> "Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
> function?"
>
> "Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
> Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
> indicates an increase in Webtv users."
>
> "Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
> gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
>with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
>browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.

Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
retard back to a plain text version of the site if
javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.

Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
woulda guessed?"

I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
>> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
>> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
>
> Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
> months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
> days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
> retard back to a plain text version of the site if
> javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
> effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.
>

Not from any reliable source I've seen. 10% and rising. Too many
popups and lots of other things. It's not the Amish - it's the smart
people who know how to turn off javascript who do it.

Javascript should always be used to enhance the experience - but never
be required for the experience.

> Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
> able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
> woulda guessed?"
>

Bullshit. But if you want to turn away 10% of all internet users (and
the business they bring), it's your loss, not mine. Or at least I
*hope* it's your loss, and not some client who doesn't have a clue.

> I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
> isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
> fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
> Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?
>

You really have no clue, do you?

> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
> mhm ¹ x ¹
> http://www.backwater-productions.net
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

On Sep 28, 1:22 pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> > <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
> >> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
> >> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
>
> > Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
> > months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
> > days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
> > retard back to a plain text version of the site if
> > javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
> > effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.
>
> Not from any reliable source I've seen. 10% and rising. Too many
> popups and lots of other things. It's not the Amish - it's the smart
> people who know how to turn off javascript who do it.
>
> Javascript should always be used to enhance the experience - but never
> be required for the experience.
>
> > Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
> > able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
> > woulda guessed?"
>
> Bullshit. But if you want to turn away 10% of all internet users (and
> the business they bring), it's your loss, not mine. Or at least I
> *hope* it's your loss, and not some client who doesn't have a clue.
>
> > I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
> > isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
> > fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
> > Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?
>
> You really have no clue, do you?
>

The pair of you are generalising horribly. JS and Flash usages can be
measured 100 different ways if you look at 100 different markets. Over
all, most people have JS and 98% of people have Flash 9. However how
many of those people actually have it enabled varies considerably
depending on where you look, who you ask, who your audience is. It's
perfectly fine to turn away x% of an *potential* audience if they are
not likely to be interested in the subject/market your site is for.
Loose 10-20% of all WWW users to meet 99% of the needs of your
specific audience? I'd rather create more focused experiences than
dilute web site content so everyone can access it.*


*this is also a poor generalisation, oh well!

In article <aZKdneyFD7odb2HbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
> > <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
> >> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
> >> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
> >
> > Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
> > months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
> > days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
> > retard back to a plain text version of the site if
> > javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
> > effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.
> >
>
> Not from any reliable source I've seen. 10% and rising. Too many
> popups and lots of other things. It's not the Amish - it's the smart
> people who know how to turn off javascript who do it.
>
> Javascript should always be used to enhance the experience - but never
> be required for the experience.
>
> > Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
> > able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
> > woulda guessed?"
> >
>
> Bullshit. But if you want to turn away 10% of all internet users (and
> the business they bring), it's your loss, not mine. Or at least I
> *hope* it's your loss, and not some client who doesn't have a clue.
>
> > I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
> > isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
> > fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
> > Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?
> >
>
> You really have no clue, do you?
>
> > --
> >
> > Onideus Mad Hatter
> > mhm ¹ x ¹
> > http://www.backwater-productions.net
> > http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
> >

Almost none of my pages will work without javascript being enabled. And
if the users encounter a problem, they have my phone number and e-mail
address. Why? Because this is a service to a closed group of our
customer engineers.

You shouldn't assume that all web sites are available to all internet
users.

"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:aZKdneyFD7odb2HbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
>>> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
>>> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.

jerry,

fair warning...OMH is certifiably crazy. i am not exagerating. to respond
further only means he'll keep coming back to masturbate his enormous ego
with the hands of his own stupidity.

the guy is seriously into infinilism. google OMH...laugh at what you come up
with.

btw, the guy thinks flash is the shit! to him, all web dev should be done in
flash. the guy can't program his way outta a fucking box. the entirety of
alt.php had to explain what bits and bytes were and what shifting and
masking were and how they worked and could be used. that was to keep his
arrogant distain for php turned at himself - blamed php due to his own
stupidity.

anyway, you've been warned.

cheers jerry.

btw, all of his posts include alt.2600. i've always wondered WTF that shit
has to do with php. hmmmm...nothing.

"Tim Streater" <tim.streater@dante.org.uk> wrote in message
news:tim.streater-D02A8E.15020728092007@news.individual.net...
> In article <aZKdneyFD7odb2HbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>> > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>> > <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
>> >> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
>> >> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
>> >
>> > Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
>> > months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
>> > days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
>> > retard back to a plain text version of the site if
>> > javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
>> > effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.
>> >
>>
>> Not from any reliable source I've seen. 10% and rising. Too many
>> popups and lots of other things. It's not the Amish - it's the smart
>> people who know how to turn off javascript who do it.
>>
>> Javascript should always be used to enhance the experience - but never
>> be required for the experience.
>>
>> > Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
>> > able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
>> > woulda guessed?"
>> >
>>
>> Bullshit. But if you want to turn away 10% of all internet users (and
>> the business they bring), it's your loss, not mine. Or at least I
>> *hope* it's your loss, and not some client who doesn't have a clue.
>>
>> > I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
>> > isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
>> > fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
>> > Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?
>> >
>>
>> You really have no clue, do you?
>>
>> > --
>> >
>> > Onideus Mad Hatter
>> > mhm ¹ x ¹
>> > http://www.backwater-productions.net
>> > http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
>> >
>
> Almost none of my pages will work without javascript being enabled. And
> if the users encounter a problem, they have my phone number and e-mail
> address. Why? Because this is a service to a closed group of our
> customer engineers.

well. you can certainly dictate just about everything to a 'closed group',
can't you.

> You shouldn't assume that all web sites are available to all internet
> users.

he didn't. since nothing was said about the venue and since the internet is
usually put in the context of 'open to the public', he made statements to
that context.

get off your high-horse, cad.

"Onideus Mad Hatter" <usenet@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:3fepf3ppd2ocihitku2q2afrtfl02p0l4h@4ax.com...
> Okay, so here's the deal...I'm tired of the shitty user data tracking
> stuff that my server comes with and so I want to make my own. Peachy.

ah matthew...i've enjoyed not seeing your posts for quite some time now.
how's walmart working out for you? busted for masturbating on the job yet? i
suppose they don't say much about the diapers for fear of a discrimination
law suit.

why not go find another suitable blog of your choosing and harrass them? we
both know you'll get banned in about a day, but hey, go have fun somewhere
else.

btw, is this all current and correct:

matthew moulton
sales@backwater-productions.net
anything@backwater-productions.net
phone: 1 509 301 4485
fax : 1 509 301 4485
313 south east j street, apt a
grants pass, or 97526


now run along and play somewhere else.

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:22:41 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>> Actually current estimates are below 4% (and dropping 2% every six
>> months) and really, none of my sites, like nearly EVERY site these
>> days will work without javascript. In some cases I'll have them
>> retard back to a plain text version of the site if
>> javascript/flash/etc has been disabled, but that's about all the
>> effort I'm willing to invest for the Amish of the Internet.

>Not from any reliable source I've seen.

Yeah, because the W3Schools site, boy THAT'S not a reliable source:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

*nods*

>10% and rising.

Cite your source, Doofy.

>Too many popups and lots of other things.

I'm sorry, but your stupid ass seems to be trapped in 2002, be sure
and let us all know when you catch up with the rest of reality.

> It's not the Amish - it's the smart
>people who know how to turn off javascript who do it.

You mean the retards. I mean, let's think about this...if you shut
off javascript...pretty much 90%+ of ALL content on the web would
magically become beyond your reach. Pretty much ALL major websites
from CNN to TV Guide all rely heavily on javascripts (amongst other
languages).

>Javascript should always be used to enhance the experience - but never
>be required for the experience.

I'm sorry, but reality seems to bitch slap you otherwise. You might
not like it, Sunshine...but that doesn't make it any less of a
reality.

>> Essentially your concern is that people without computers won't be
>> able to see my site. And my response is, "No, really?! Who the fuck
>> woulda guessed?"

>Bullshit. But if you want to turn away 10% of all internet users (and
>the business they bring), it's your loss, not mine.

Just like the car manufacturer...I'm not worried about the "loss" in
sales from the Amish.

>Or at least I
>*hope* it's your loss, and not some client who doesn't have a clue.

Oh so now you're claiming that 94%+ of the Internet doesn't have a
clue, eh?

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

There's that fun link again, bitch slapping you up long side yer fat
fuckin head with reality.

>> I mean you don't go bitching to a car manufacturer that his product
>> isn't going to sell very well to the Amish. Of course it's not gonna
>> fuckin sell to 'em, THEY'RE AMISH! What the fuck man, what are you
>> Captain Jesus Raping Obvious?

>You really have no clue, do you?

You wear a tin foil hat, don't you?

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:26:12 -0500, "Steve" <no.one@example.com>
wrote:

>jerry,
>
>fair warning...OMH is certifiably crazy.

Oh look, a Hatter Addict, how cute.

>i am not exagerating.

Woah, sounds like serious fucking Internet business, Steve. *nods*

>to respond
>further only means he'll keep coming back to masturbate his enormous ego
>with the hands of his own stupidity.

Translation: "He'll make you feel REALLY stupid by bitch slapping you
with reality!"

HTH! ^_^

>the guy is seriously

Srsly you guys...srsly.

>into infinilism.

Infinilism, eh? It's like nihilistic infinity, huh?

>google OMH...laugh at what you come up with.

*searches for "OMH" in Google*

The Office of Minority Health...huh...that's um...that's not really
very funny, Stevie.

>btw,

Btw you guys...btw.

>the guy thinks flash is the shit!

It's the SHIT, Dawg! Yo, yo, yo, what up, Stevie the Wonder Retard in
the hizzouse!

>to him, all web dev should be done in
>flash.

Only the user front end, Spittles.

>the guy can't program his way outta a fucking box.

No need to program myself out of something I was never in, Sparkles.

>the entirety of
>alt.php had to explain what bits and bytes were and what shifting and
>masking were and how they worked and could be used. that was to keep his
>arrogant distain for php turned at himself - blamed php due to his own
>stupidity.

Yer just ridin that lil red trolley all the way on into Make Believe
Land, aren'tcha kiddo?

>anyway, you've been warned.

Oooo...he's been "warned"...scary stuff there, Stevie. Steve's all
like, "Stand aside Internet citizen...serious business here!"

>cheers jerry.
>
>btw, all of his posts include alt.2600. i've always wondered WTF that shit
>has to do with php. hmmmm...nothing.

Maybe you should just save yerself the brain aneurysm and stop reading
my posts, Stevie...might do you some good...ya fuckin Hatter Addict.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:18:11 -0500, "Steve" <no.one@example.com>
wrote:

>ah ma<COCK SLAP>

Another day, another Hatter Addict wanting to suck on my cock. This
one calls himself "Steve"! Boy, that sure is original...well, I guess
no ever accused Hatter Addicts of being very creative. LOL

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:29:46 -0500, "Steve" <no.one@example.com>
wrote:

>> Almost none of my pages will work without javascript being enabled. And
>> if the users encounter a problem, they have my phone number and e-mail
>> address. Why? Because this is a service to a closed group of our
>> customer engineers.

>well. you can certainly dictate just about everything to a 'closed group',
>can't you.

Much in the way that you try...oh, except when you do it, no one
really listens, huh Sparkles? Tsch, tsch, tsch...sucks to be you.

>> You shouldn't assume that all web sites are available to all internet
>> users.

>he didn't. since nothing was said about the venue and since the internet is
>usually put in the context of 'open to the public', he made statements to
>that context.
>
>get off your high-horse, cad.

Hey Steve, are you gonna stop sucking Jerry's cock any time soon? I
mean, okay, obviously the boi is too damn stupid to reply for himself,
but really, yer not exactly the ideal replacement. Why don't you just
sit the fuck down and wait for someone more intelligent to come along,
before you embarrass yourself...again.

--

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog


Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."

"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."

"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."

"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."

"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."

"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )

Steve wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:aZKdneyFD7odb2HbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>>> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
>>>> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
>>>> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
>
> jerry,
>
> fair warning...OMH is certifiably crazy. i am not exagerating. to respond
> further only means he'll keep coming back to masturbate his enormous ego
> with the hands of his own stupidity.
>
> the guy is seriously into infinilism. google OMH...laugh at what you come up
> with.
>
> btw, the guy thinks flash is the shit! to him, all web dev should be done in
> flash. the guy can't program his way outta a fucking box. the entirety of
> alt.php had to explain what bits and bytes were and what shifting and
> masking were and how they worked and could be used. that was to keep his
> arrogant distain for php turned at himself - blamed php due to his own
> stupidity.
>
> anyway, you've been warned.
>
> cheers jerry.
>
> btw, all of his posts include alt.2600. i've always wondered WTF that shit
> has to do with php. hmmmm...nothing.
>
>

Yea, so I see. He really is a prick, isn't he.

Naw, I'm not going to bother to respond to him until he grows up. I
know three-year-olds who act better than he does.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_86dnTeDH9cQ7WDbnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Steve wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:aZKdneyFD7odb2HbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>>>> <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As long as you know that many users (current estimate about 10%) run
>>>>> with JS turned off. And even if it's on, anything supplied by the
>>>>> browser (i.e referer, browser/system info, etc.) is questionable.
>>
>> jerry,
>>
>> fair warning...OMH is certifiably crazy. i am not exagerating. to respond
>> further only means he'll keep coming back to masturbate his enormous ego
>> with the hands of his own stupidity.
>>
>> the guy is seriously into infinilism. google OMH...laugh at what you come
>> up with.
>>
>> btw, the guy thinks flash is the shit! to him, all web dev should be done
>> in flash. the guy can't program his way outta a fucking box. the entirety
>> of alt.php had to explain what bits and bytes were and what shifting and
>> masking were and how they worked and could be used. that was to keep his
>> arrogant distain for php turned at himself - blamed php due to his own
>> stupidity.
>>
>> anyway, you've been warned.
>>
>> cheers jerry.
>>
>> btw, all of his posts include alt.2600. i've always wondered WTF that
>> shit has to do with php. hmmmm...nothing.
>
> Yea, so I see. He really is a prick, isn't he.
>
> Naw, I'm not going to bother to respond to him until he grows up. I know
> three-year-olds who act better than he does.

you haven't seen the half of it yet. ignoring it seems to make it go
away...eventually. you know how trolls are.

btw, you may be waiting an infinitude. ;^)

On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:20:30 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
<jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

>Steve wrote:
>> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
>> news:aZKdneyFD7odb2HbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:21:31 -0400, Jerry Stuckle
>>>> <jstucklex@attglobal.net>