Good morning,

I'm a newbie and I'm about to study a scripting language to create an HTML
form. What's the best language for this, and why?

JavaScript? PHP? PERL? Ajax? ASP? VBScript?

Many thanks

Frank

Rami Elomaa wrote:
> Frank kirjoitti:
>> Good morning,
>>
>> I'm a newbie and I'm about to study a scripting language to create an
>> HTML form. What's the best language for this, and why?
>>
>> JavaScript? PHP? PERL? Ajax? ASP? VBScript?
>
> First you need to get your terms right. There's client-side scripting,
> and then there's server-side scripting. PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP (which
> you didn't mention, but it's wort looking into still) are server-side
> languages, JavaScript and VBScript are client-side. Ajax is not a
> language at all, it's the name for a technique that allows javascript to
> communicate with some server-side application.
>

Yes, you need to get your terms right. VBScript is also server-side.

> Choosing between javascript and vbscript, there really is no
> competition, VBScript is microsoft proprietary bullshit, it works only
> in MS Internet Explorer, and knowing that there is a variety of other
> browsers, you can't choose a language that works in only one of them. So
> for client-side scripts you use javascript. And if possible, don't use
> it, try to make everything work with just server-side scripts.
> JavaScript is just an enhancment, not a complete solution.
>

It also works on Microsoft servers, i.e. IIS. While I'm not fond of it,
I do have a couple of customers who use it. It works quite well, when
done properly.

When run on the server, the client doesn't matter, just like any
server-side language.

> Next the choice between PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP. Again, one of these
> languages is microsoft-only, works only in Windows+IIS webserver,
> wouldn't go there. For PHP, Perl and JSP then, JSP is propably the most
> sophisticated since it's completly object oriented language, maybe most
> difficult to learn but worth it. PHP and Perl are good choices both,
> just pick one. Since this is a php group I have to recommend php.
>

ASP is not a language. It is an interface. You can use several
different languages with it.

JSP is also not a language, but a way of adding Java code to web pages.
The underlying code is Java.

Before suggesting someone else get their terminology straight, I suggest
you get yours straight. And get rid of the attitude.

And to answer the op's question - it depends a lot on your previous
experience, what you're going to be doing, the OS and server you'll be
using, and several other things. All of the languages are good - in
their place. But all can also be bad, when not in their place. That's
why there are so many languages.

What you're asking is like asking "Which car should I buy"? Just not
enough information.

I use PHP, Perl, VBScript and Java, depending on the situation. PHP and
Perl are more widely available than VBScript or Java. I also think PHP
is a little easier for a beginner to learn, so everything else being
equal (which it isn't), I would recommend PHP.

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Well Thank you for your input. All I need to do is an HTML reply form page,
I'm using XP- no server yet. I'll go for PHP.

Thanks again

Frank


"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Rami Elomaa wrote:
>> Frank kirjoitti:
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie and I'm about to study a scripting language to create an
>>> HTML form. What's the best language for this, and why?
>>>
>>> JavaScript? PHP? PERL? Ajax? ASP? VBScript?
>>
>> First you need to get your terms right. There's client-side scripting,
>> and then there's server-side scripting. PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP (which you
>> didn't mention, but it's wort looking into still) are server-side
>> languages, JavaScript and VBScript are client-side. Ajax is not a
>> language at all, it's the name for a technique that allows javascript to
>> communicate with some server-side application.
>>
>
> Yes, you need to get your terms right. VBScript is also server-side.
>
>> Choosing between javascript and vbscript, there really is no competition,
>> VBScript is microsoft proprietary bullshit, it works only in MS Internet
>> Explorer, and knowing that there is a variety of other browsers, you
>> can't choose a language that works in only one of them. So for
>> client-side scripts you use javascript. And if possible, don't use it,
>> try to make everything work with just server-side scripts. JavaScript is
>> just an enhancment, not a complete solution.
>>
>
> It also works on Microsoft servers, i.e. IIS. While I'm not fond of it, I
> do have a couple of customers who use it. It works quite well, when done
> properly.
>
> When run on the server, the client doesn't matter, just like any
> server-side language.
>
>> Next the choice between PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP. Again, one of these
>> languages is microsoft-only, works only in Windows+IIS webserver,
>> wouldn't go there. For PHP, Perl and JSP then, JSP is propably the most
>> sophisticated since it's completly object oriented language, maybe most
>> difficult to learn but worth it. PHP and Perl are good choices both, just
>> pick one. Since this is a php group I have to recommend php.
>>
>
> ASP is not a language. It is an interface. You can use several different
> languages with it.
>
> JSP is also not a language, but a way of adding Java code to web pages.
> The underlying code is Java.
>
> Before suggesting someone else get their terminology straight, I suggest
> you get yours straight. And get rid of the attitude.
>
> And to answer the op's question - it depends a lot on your previous
> experience, what you're going to be doing, the OS and server you'll be
> using, and several other things. All of the languages are good - in their
> place. But all can also be bad, when not in their place. That's why
> there are so many languages.
>
> What you're asking is like asking "Which car should I buy"? Just not
> enough information.
>
> I use PHP, Perl, VBScript and Java, depending on the situation. PHP and
> Perl are more widely available than VBScript or Java. I also think PHP is
> a little easier for a beginner to learn, so everything else being equal
> (which it isn't), I would recommend PHP.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================

Frank wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:RoydnQKHP_vcCTHbnZ2dnUVZ_vShnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>> Rami Elomaa wrote:
>>> Frank kirjoitti:
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a newbie and I'm about to study a scripting language to create an
>>>> HTML form. What's the best language for this, and why?
>>>>
>>>> JavaScript? PHP? PERL? Ajax? ASP? VBScript?
>>> First you need to get your terms right. There's client-side scripting,
>>> and then there's server-side scripting. PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP (which you
>>> didn't mention, but it's wort looking into still) are server-side
>>> languages, JavaScript and VBScript are client-side. Ajax is not a
>>> language at all, it's the name for a technique that allows javascript to
>>> communicate with some server-side application.
>>>
>> Yes, you need to get your terms right. VBScript is also server-side.
>>
>>> Choosing between javascript and vbscript, there really is no competition,
>>> VBScript is microsoft proprietary bullshit, it works only in MS Internet
>>> Explorer, and knowing that there is a variety of other browsers, you
>>> can't choose a language that works in only one of them. So for
>>> client-side scripts you use javascript. And if possible, don't use it,
>>> try to make everything work with just server-side scripts. JavaScript is
>>> just an enhancment, not a complete solution.
>>>
>> It also works on Microsoft servers, i.e. IIS. While I'm not fond of it, I
>> do have a couple of customers who use it. It works quite well, when done
>> properly.
>>
>> When run on the server, the client doesn't matter, just like any
>> server-side language.
>>
>>> Next the choice between PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP. Again, one of these
>>> languages is microsoft-only, works only in Windows+IIS webserver,
>>> wouldn't go there. For PHP, Perl and JSP then, JSP is propably the most
>>> sophisticated since it's completly object oriented language, maybe most
>>> difficult to learn but worth it. PHP and Perl are good choices both, just
>>> pick one. Since this is a php group I have to recommend php.
>>>
>> ASP is not a language. It is an interface. You can use several different
>> languages with it.
>>
>> JSP is also not a language, but a way of adding Java code to web pages.
>> The underlying code is Java.
>>
>> Before suggesting someone else get their terminology straight, I suggest
>> you get yours straight. And get rid of the attitude.
>>
>> And to answer the op's question - it depends a lot on your previous
>> experience, what you're going to be doing, the OS and server you'll be
>> using, and several other things. All of the languages are good - in their
>> place. But all can also be bad, when not in their place. That's why
>> there are so many languages.
>>
>> What you're asking is like asking "Which car should I buy"? Just not
>> enough information.
>>
>> I use PHP, Perl, VBScript and Java, depending on the situation. PHP and
>> Perl are more widely available than VBScript or Java. I also think PHP is
>> a little easier for a beginner to learn, so everything else being equal
>> (which it isn't), I would recommend PHP.
>>
> Well Thank you for your input. All I need to do is an HTML reply form
> page, I'm using XP- no server yet. I'll go for PHP.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Frank
>
>

(Top posting fixed)

You will still need a server to send the pages, but it will run fine on
XP. I recommend you install WAMP (http://www.wampserver.com/en/). It
will install Apache, PHP and MySQL on your Windows system.

P.S. Please don't top post. Thanks.

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jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Jerry Stuckle kirjoitti:
> Rami Elomaa wrote:
>> Frank kirjoitti:
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> I'm a newbie and I'm about to study a scripting language to create an
>>> HTML form. What's the best language for this, and why?
>>>
>>> JavaScript? PHP? PERL? Ajax? ASP? VBScript?
>>
>> First you need to get your terms right. There's client-side scripting,
>> and then there's server-side scripting. PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP (which
>> you didn't mention, but it's wort looking into still) are server-side
>> languages, JavaScript and VBScript are client-side. Ajax is not a
>> language at all, it's the name for a technique that allows javascript
>> to communicate with some server-side application.
>>
>
> Yes, you need to get your terms right. VBScript is also server-side.
>
>> Choosing between javascript and vbscript, there really is no
>> competition, VBScript is microsoft proprietary bullshit, it works only
>> in MS Internet Explorer, and knowing that there is a variety of other
>> browsers, you can't choose a language that works in only one of them.
>> So for client-side scripts you use javascript. And if possible, don't
>> use it, try to make everything work with just server-side scripts.
>> JavaScript is just an enhancment, not a complete solution.
>>
>
> It also works on Microsoft servers, i.e. IIS. While I'm not fond of it,
> I do have a couple of customers who use it. It works quite well, when
> done properly.
>
> When run on the server, the client doesn't matter, just like any
> server-side language.
>
>> Next the choice between PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP. Again, one of these
>> languages is microsoft-only, works only in Windows+IIS webserver,
>> wouldn't go there. For PHP, Perl and JSP then, JSP is propably the
>> most sophisticated since it's completly object oriented language,
>> maybe most difficult to learn but worth it. PHP and Perl are good
>> choices both, just pick one. Since this is a php group I have to
>> recommend php.
>>
>
> ASP is not a language. It is an interface. You can use several
> different languages with it.
>
> JSP is also not a language, but a way of adding Java code to web pages.
> The underlying code is Java.
>
> Before suggesting someone else get their terminology straight, I suggest
> you get yours straight. And get rid of the attitude.

Thanks Jerry for correcting me. JavaScript as server-side is such an
unusual situation that I don't even consider it as such, even though it
is entierly possible as you pointed out. As for VB and ASP you are
correct, my bad. But what do you mean by attitude and why should I get
rid of it? I thought I was ing the fellow but it seems that you know
better than me so from now on I'll say nothing. Instead of getting rid
of an attitude I'll get rid of myself.

It's been fun here, time to move on.

-Rammy

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usko siihen ja kukaan ei tiedä mikä pitää paikkansa." -- z00ze

Rami, thanks for ing me out. You tried to , and I appreciate that.
Keep ing others!!

Best

Frank

"Rami Elomaa" <rami.elomaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f8id00$88v$1@nyytiset.pp.htv.fi...
> Jerry Stuckle kirjoitti:
>> Rami Elomaa wrote:
>>> Frank kirjoitti:
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a newbie and I'm about to study a scripting language to create an
>>>> HTML form. What's the best language for this, and why?
>>>>
>>>> JavaScript? PHP? PERL? Ajax? ASP? VBScript?
>>>
>>> First you need to get your terms right. There's client-side scripting,
>>> and then there's server-side scripting. PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP (which
>>> you didn't mention, but it's wort looking into still) are server-side
>>> languages, JavaScript and VBScript are client-side. Ajax is not a
>>> language at all, it's the name for a technique that allows javascript to
>>> communicate with some server-side application.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, you need to get your terms right. VBScript is also server-side.
>>
>>> Choosing between javascript and vbscript, there really is no
>>> competition, VBScript is microsoft proprietary bullshit, it works only
>>> in MS Internet Explorer, and knowing that there is a variety of other
>>> browsers, you can't choose a language that works in only one of them. So
>>> for client-side scripts you use javascript. And if possible, don't use
>>> it, try to make everything work with just server-side scripts.
>>> JavaScript is just an enhancment, not a complete solution.
>>>
>>
>> It also works on Microsoft servers, i.e. IIS. While I'm not fond of it,
>> I do have a couple of customers who use it. It works quite well, when
>> done properly.
>>
>> When run on the server, the client doesn't matter, just like any
>> server-side language.
>>
>>> Next the choice between PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP. Again, one of these
>>> languages is microsoft-only, works only in Windows+IIS webserver,
>>> wouldn't go there. For PHP, Perl and JSP then, JSP is propably the most
>>> sophisticated since it's completly object oriented language, maybe most
>>> difficult to learn but worth it. PHP and Perl are good choices both,
>>> just pick one. Since this is a php group I have to recommend php.
>>>
>>
>> ASP is not a language. It is an interface. You can use several
>> different languages with it.
>>
>> JSP is also not a language, but a way of adding Java code to web pages.
>> The underlying code is Java.
>>
>> Before suggesting someone else get their terminology straight, I suggest
>> you get yours straight. And get rid of the attitude.
>
> Thanks Jerry for correcting me. JavaScript as server-side is such an
> unusual situation that I don't even consider it as such, even though it is
> entierly possible as you pointed out. As for VB and ASP you are correct,
> my bad. But what do you mean by attitude and why should I get rid of it? I
> thought I was ing the fellow but it seems that you know better than me
> so from now on I'll say nothing. Instead of getting rid of an attitude
> I'll get rid of myself.
>
> It's been fun here, time to move on.
>
> -Rammy
>
> --
> Rami.Elomaa@gmail.com
>
> "Wikipedia on vähän niinq internetin raamattu, kukaan ei pohjimmiltaan
> usko siihen ja kukaan ei tiedä mikä pitää paikkansa." -- z00ze

Rami Elomaa wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle kirjoitti:
>> Rami Elomaa wrote:
>>> Frank kirjoitti:
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> I'm a newbie and I'm about to study a scripting language to create
>>>> an HTML form. What's the best language for this, and why?
>>>>
>>>> JavaScript? PHP? PERL? Ajax? ASP? VBScript?
>>>
>>> First you need to get your terms right. There's client-side
>>> scripting, and then there's server-side scripting. PHP, Perl, ASP and
>>> JSP (which you didn't mention, but it's wort looking into still) are
>>> server-side languages, JavaScript and VBScript are client-side. Ajax
>>> is not a language at all, it's the name for a technique that allows
>>> javascript to communicate with some server-side application.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, you need to get your terms right. VBScript is also server-side.
>>
>>> Choosing between javascript and vbscript, there really is no
>>> competition, VBScript is microsoft proprietary bullshit, it works
>>> only in MS Internet Explorer, and knowing that there is a variety of
>>> other browsers, you can't choose a language that works in only one of
>>> them. So for client-side scripts you use javascript. And if possible,
>>> don't use it, try to make everything work with just server-side
>>> scripts. JavaScript is just an enhancment, not a complete solution.
>>>
>>
>> It also works on Microsoft servers, i.e. IIS. While I'm not fond of
>> it, I do have a couple of customers who use it. It works quite well,
>> when done properly.
>>
>> When run on the server, the client doesn't matter, just like any
>> server-side language.
>>
>>> Next the choice between PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP. Again, one of these
>>> languages is microsoft-only, works only in Windows+IIS webserver,
>>> wouldn't go there. For PHP, Perl and JSP then, JSP is propably the
>>> most sophisticated since it's completly object oriented language,
>>> maybe most difficult to learn but worth it. PHP and Perl are good
>>> choices both, just pick one. Since this is a php group I have to
>>> recommend php.
>>>
>>
>> ASP is not a language. It is an interface. You can use several
>> different languages with it.
>>
>> JSP is also not a language, but a way of adding Java code to web
>> pages. The underlying code is Java.
>>
>> Before suggesting someone else get their terminology straight, I
>> suggest you get yours straight. And get rid of the attitude.
>
> Thanks Jerry for correcting me. JavaScript as server-side is such an
> unusual situation that I don't even consider it as such, even though it
> is entierly possible as you pointed out. As for VB and ASP you are
> correct, my bad. But what do you mean by attitude and why should I get
> rid of it? I thought I was ing the fellow but it seems that you know
> better than me so from now on I'll say nothing. Instead of getting rid
> of an attitude I'll get rid of myself.
>
> It's been fun here, time to move on.
>
> -Rammy
>

Rammy,

I didn't say anything about Javascript being server side. Only VBScript.

As for your attitude - I'm referring to your comments such as "VBScript
is microsoft proprietary bullshit".

Maybe it is, and maybe you feel this way. However, the op was
requesting an honest comparison between languages, and such comments
limit your credibility.




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"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
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> Rami Elomaa wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle kirjoitti:
>>> Rami Elomaa wrote:
>>>> Frank kirjoitti:
>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a newbie and I'm about to study a scripting language to create an
>>>>> HTML form. What's the best language for this, and why?
>>>>>
>>>>> JavaScript? PHP? PERL? Ajax? ASP? VBScript?
>>>>
>>>> First you need to get your terms right. There's client-side scripting,
>>>> and then there's server-side scripting. PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP (which
>>>> you didn't mention, but it's wort looking into still) are server-side
>>>> languages, JavaScript and VBScript are client-side. Ajax is not a
>>>> language at all, it's the name for a technique that allows javascript
>>>> to communicate with some server-side application.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, you need to get your terms right. VBScript is also server-side.
>>>
>>>> Choosing between javascript and vbscript, there really is no
>>>> competition, VBScript is microsoft proprietary bullshit, it works only
>>>> in MS Internet Explorer, and knowing that there is a variety of other
>>>> browsers, you can't choose a language that works in only one of them.
>>>> So for client-side scripts you use javascript. And if possible, don't
>>>> use it, try to make everything work with just server-side scripts.
>>>> JavaScript is just an enhancment, not a complete solution.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It also works on Microsoft servers, i.e. IIS. While I'm not fond of it,
>>> I do have a couple of customers who use it. It works quite well, when
>>> done properly.
>>>
>>> When run on the server, the client doesn't matter, just like any
>>> server-side language.
>>>
>>>> Next the choice between PHP, Perl, ASP and JSP. Again, one of these
>>>> languages is microsoft-only, works only in Windows+IIS webserver,
>>>> wouldn't go there. For PHP, Perl and JSP then, JSP is propably the most
>>>> sophisticated since it's completly object oriented language, maybe most
>>>> difficult to learn but worth it. PHP and Perl are good choices both,
>>>> just pick one. Since this is a php group I have to recommend php.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ASP is not a language. It is an interface. You can use several
>>> different languages with it.
>>>
>>> JSP is also not a language, but a way of adding Java code to web pages.
>>> The underlying code is Java.
>>>
>>> Before suggesting someone else get their terminology straight, I suggest
>>> you get yours straight. And get rid of the attitude.
>>
>> Thanks Jerry for correcting me. JavaScript as server-side is such an
>> unusual situation that I don't even consider it as such, even though it
>> is entierly possible as you pointed out. As for VB and ASP you are
>> correct, my bad. But what do you mean by attitude and why should I get
>> rid of it? I thought I was ing the fellow but it seems that you know
>> better than me so from now on I'll say nothing. Instead of getting rid of
>> an attitude I'll get rid of myself.
>>
>> It's been fun here, time to move on.
>>
>> -Rammy
>>
>
> Rammy,
>
> I didn't say anything about Javascript being server side. Only VBScript.

Well nevertheless JS is also server-side.

> As for your attitude - I'm referring to your comments such as "VBScript is
> microsoft proprietary bullshit".

Well it is.

> Maybe it is, and maybe you feel this way. However, the op was requesting
> an honest comparison between languages, and such comments limit your
> credibility.

Fine, as I said earlier, I shall not bother this group again with my
attitude.

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