Dear Debian people,

This is a pretty dumb question. But I think it has a little merit. I
bought myself a new Benq DVD rewriter and stuffed in my box. This one can
handle dual layered DVDs as well as the single ones.

I then realised after nosing around in the computer shop that dual layered
DVDs have a capacity of 8.5GB c.f. the single layered ones of 4.4GB.

What a genius this guy is I here you say.

A doubling of storage is what you would expect.

My point is that whereas the Sarge 3.1 r3 release contains 15 CDs, Etch
comprises 21 CDs......

Or 3 DVDs..... But of course these are 3 single layer 4.4 GB DVDs.

Once Etch comes out and everyones starts to work on Lenny, then maybe it
could get to thirty CDs or 4 or 5 DVDs.

Once it gets to that size would dual layered DVD iso images be considered to
be parked in the repositories?



Regards

Michael Fothergill

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On Monday 04 December 2006 07:51, Michael Fothergill sent this for all our
perusal:
>---> Dear Debian people,
>--->
>---> This is a pretty dumb question. But I think it has a little merit. I
>---> bought myself a new Benq DVD rewriter and stuffed in my box. This one
> can ---> handle dual layered DVDs as well as the single ones.
>--->
>---> I then realised after nosing around in the computer shop that dual
> layered ---> DVDs have a capacity of 8.5GB c.f. the single layered ones of
> 4.4GB. --->
>---> What a genius this guy is I here you say.
>--->
>---> A doubling of storage is what you would expect.
>--->
>---> My point is that whereas the Sarge 3.1 r3 release contains 15 CDs, Etch
>---> comprises 21 CDs......
>--->
>---> Or 3 DVDs..... But of course these are 3 single layer 4.4 GB DVDs.
>--->
>---> Once Etch comes out and everyones starts to work on Lenny, then maybe
> it ---> could get to thirty CDs or 4 or 5 DVDs.
>--->
>---> Once it gets to that size would dual layered DVD iso images be
> considered to ---> be parked in the repositories?
>--->
>--->
>--->
>---> Regards
>--->
>---> Michael Fothergill

That might be all right, as long as the other option, single layer DVD's and
CD's is still available. Otherwise everyone would have to upgrade to dual
layer DVD's. That's probably a dumb answer. Because Debian would cut out the
other media.

Charlie

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On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 20:51 +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Once it gets to that size would dual layered DVD iso images be consideredto
> be parked in the repositories?

Seems like there have been talk about this, but it haven't happened so
far. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2005/07/msg00039.html and
related messages/threads on the debian-cd mailing list.

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On Sunday 03 December 2006 13:11, Sven Arvidsson wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 20:51 +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > Once it gets to that size would dual layered DVD iso images be considered
> > to be parked in the repositories?
>
> Seems like there have been talk about this, but it haven't happened so
> far. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2005/07/msg00039.html and
> related messages/threads on the debian-cd mailing list.

I made the move to dvd images a while ago and at this point would gladly go
with DL dvd images if they were available. I have the technology.


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Hi Mike,

In article <BAY135-F33AE2370EF62B8EFF8193591D80@phx.gbl> you write:
>Dear Debian people,
>
>This is a pretty dumb question. But I think it has a little merit. I
>bought myself a new Benq DVD rewriter and stuffed in my box. This one can
>handle dual layered DVDs as well as the single ones.
>
>I then realised after nosing around in the computer shop that dual layered
>DVDs have a capacity of 8.5GB c.f. the single layered ones of 4.4GB.

8.5 billion bytes vs. 4.7 billion bytes.

>What a genius this guy is I here you say.
>
>A doubling of storage is what you would expect.
>
>My point is that whereas the Sarge 3.1 r3 release contains 15 CDs, Etch
>comprises 21 CDs......
>
>Or 3 DVDs..... But of course these are 3 single layer 4.4 GB DVDs.
>
>Once Etch comes out and everyones starts to work on Lenny, then maybe it
>could get to thirty CDs or 4 or 5 DVDs.
>
>Once it gets to that size would dual layered DVD iso images be considered to
>be parked in the repositories?

*maybe*. We had some of this discussion before sarge released, when
there was a chance that we might make sarge fit on a single DL
DVD. See the debian-cd mailing list archives if you'd like to know
more... :-)

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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:08:18 +0000
Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> In article <BAY135-F33AE2370EF62B8EFF8193591D80@phx.gbl> you write:
> >Dear Debian people,
> >
> >This is a pretty dumb question. But I think it has a little merit.
> >I bought myself a new Benq DVD rewriter and stuffed in my box. This
> >one can handle dual layered DVDs as well as the single ones.
> >
> >I then realised after nosing around in the computer shop that dual
> >layered DVDs have a capacity of 8.5GB c.f. the single layered ones
> >of 4.4GB.
>
> 8.5 billion bytes vs. 4.7 billion bytes.
>
> >What a genius this guy is I here you say.
> >
> >A doubling of storage is what you would expect.
> >
> >My point is that whereas the Sarge 3.1 r3 release contains 15 CDs,
> >Etch comprises 21 CDs......
> >
> >Or 3 DVDs..... But of course these are 3 single layer 4.4 GB DVDs.
> >
> >Once Etch comes out and everyones starts to work on Lenny, then
> >maybe it could get to thirty CDs or 4 or 5 DVDs.
> >
> >Once it gets to that size would dual layered DVD iso images be
> >considered to be parked in the repositories?
>
> *maybe*. We had some of this discussion before sarge released, when
> there was a chance that we might make sarge fit on a single DL
> DVD. See the debian-cd mailing list archives if you'd like to know
> more... :-)
>

Part of this discussion concerned the cost of DL media vs single
layer.At the time DL was about $8/disk while compared to maybe
$1.00/disk for SL, not a good value, imho. The economics may have
changed.

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On Sun, 2006-12-03 at 17:04 -0900, Greg Madden wrote:

> Part of this discussion concerned the cost of DL media vs single
> layer.At the time DL was about $8/disk while compared to maybe
> $1.00/disk for SL, not a good value, imho. The economics may have
> changed.

DL disks are still rather pricey compared to SL. As my example, a few
months ago, I was able to get a spindle of 15 DL DVDs at Best Buy for
$30, making it $2 per disk. And about a week and a half ago, my local
Big Lots had spindles of 50 SL DVDs for $12...normally $15, but they are
going out of business, so everything there has a 20% discount (24 cents
per disk) I don't know if the price of DL media has dropped even
further lately, but it is still more sensible to stick with SL for most
uses.

Hmmm... Time to head back to Big Lots and stock up on more blanks I
think.




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On Sunday 03 December 2006 18:04, Greg Madden wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 21:08:18 +0000
>
> Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote:
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > In article <BAY135-F33AE2370EF62B8EFF8193591D80@phx.gbl> you write:
> > >Dear Debian people,
> > >
> > >This is a pretty dumb question. But I think it has a little merit.
> > >I bought myself a new Benq DVD rewriter and stuffed in my box. This
> > >one can handle dual layered DVDs as well as the single ones.
> > >
> > >I then realised after nosing around in the computer shop that dual
> > >layered DVDs have a capacity of 8.5GB c.f. the single layered ones
> > >of 4.4GB.
> >
> > 8.5 billion bytes vs. 4.7 billion bytes.
> >
> > >What a genius this guy is I here you say.
> > >
> > >A doubling of storage is what you would expect.
> > >
> > >My point is that whereas the Sarge 3.1 r3 release contains 15 CDs,
> > >Etch comprises 21 CDs......
> > >
> > >Or 3 DVDs..... But of course these are 3 single layer 4.4 GB DVDs.
> > >
> > >Once Etch comes out and everyones starts to work on Lenny, then
> > >maybe it could get to thirty CDs or 4 or 5 DVDs.
> > >
> > >Once it gets to that size would dual layered DVD iso images be
> > >considered to be parked in the repositories?
> >
> > *maybe*. We had some of this discussion before sarge released, when
> > there was a chance that we might make sarge fit on a single DL
> > DVD. See the debian-cd mailing list archives if you'd like to know
> > more... :-)
>
> Part of this discussion concerned the cost of DL media vs single
> layer.At the time DL was about $8/disk while compared to maybe
> $1.00/disk for SL, not a good value, imho. The economics may have
> changed.

I have a few of them here. I don't use them often but in the case of debian I
would invest a few extra $ to keep the number of disks down. Wasn't so bad
when I was just using i386, now I also use amd64 (soon I will only use amd64)
the number of disks is impressive..


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