>From: Andrew Malcolmson <andzy+comp.debuser@imap-mail.com>
>To: Michael Fothergill <mikef20000@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software.......
>Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:28:59 -0500
>
>On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 12:10:18PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> > Dear Debian folks,
> >
> > I have given up on sane with my scanner.
>
>I guess you mean xsane. If so, a bewildering interface, a badgering
>licence message, and a lack of stability, make this a program to avoid.
>
> > I tried Vuescan for Linux and it worked immediately.
> >
> > But it costs money.....
> >
> > What alternatives to sane do you recommend that are proper free
>software?
>
>Quiteinsane (gimp2.0-quiteinsane) is a simpler alternative.

THanks alot. I did apt-get install gimp2.0-quiteinsane and installed it on
my machine.

I can't seem to find the executable with whereis gimp2.0-quiteinsane.

Do I have to configure it with dpkg?

i.e. dpkg configure-gimp2.0-quiteinsane or something like that?

Do I have to remove xsane before gimp2.0-quiteinsane will be made
executable?

i.e. apt-get remove xsane

???

Comments welcome....

Regards,

MIchael Fothergill













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On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 07:43:13PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
> >Quiteinsane (gimp2.0-quiteinsane) is a simpler alternative.
>
> THanks alot. I did apt-get install gimp2.0-quiteinsane and installed it on
> my machine.
>
> I can't seem to find the executable with whereis gimp2.0-quiteinsane.
>

The whereis database isn't regnerated after packages are installed. Run
the /etc/cron.daily/man-db file.

Doug.




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>> > I have given up on sane with my scanner.
>> I guess you mean xsane. If so, a bewildering interface, a badgering
>> licence message, and a lack of stability, make this a program to avoid.

Hmm... interesting. I started with the software that HP distributes with
my OfficeJet: a complete waste of time. So when I upgraded to xsane it
seemed really good.

As a matter of fact it has worked reliably for me, AFAIR. The only problem
I've had with it is that the PDF it produces doesn't display correctly on
Mac OS X's preview, so I always have to pass it through pdf2ps|ps2pdf (which
happens to also generate somewhat smaller files ;-).

The interface in general isn't amazingly smooth, but I found it OK.

>> Quiteinsane (gimp2.0-quiteinsane) is a simpler alternative.

I'll have to try it more seriously, but my first impression is that it's not
what I need: I mostly scan a bunch of pages with the ADF (or manually from
a book) and don't care much for image-editing features, so all the GIMP
thingy comes as a hindrance more than a .

The ability to reorganize pages after the scan but before generating the PDF
(which xsane offers me in a primitive but usable way) is crucial in all
those cases where the ADF gets wedged or something.

OTOH it may be just what I need for those rare cases where I want to scan
a few photos.

Does anyone have some other favorite (Free Software) scanner program
to recommend?


Stefan


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>From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software.......
>Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:39:23 -0500
>
> >> > I have given up on sane with my scanner.
> >> I guess you mean xsane. If so, a bewildering interface, a badgering
> >> licence message, and a lack of stability, make this a program to avoid.
>
>Hmm... interesting. I started with the software that HP distributes with
>my OfficeJet: a complete waste of time. So when I upgraded to xsane it
>seemed really good.
>
>As a matter of fact it has worked reliably for me, AFAIR. The only problem
>I've had with it is that the PDF it produces doesn't display correctly on
>Mac OS X's preview, so I always have to pass it through pdf2ps|ps2pdf
>(which
>happens to also generate somewhat smaller files ;-).
>
>The interface in general isn't amazingly smooth, but I found it OK.
>
> >> Quiteinsane (gimp2.0-quiteinsane) is a simpler alternative.

Hello after a while on this. I have tried xsane in Debian and Fedora until
I am blue in the face and I can't get it to work. I am starting to think
the only way to get a scanner to work in Linux is if you write the program
in assembler code and hire an idiot savant to configure it.

I get all these weird I/O output crashes. Sane sort of works but is flaky
sometimes. I have tried the gimp quite insane thing and it also dies with
the I/O problem.

Vuescan works instantly and effusively. But it is proprietary. Does
anyone know of some even really crappy alternative? What is xscanimage?
Does it work? Is it in the packages?

Even an abacus connected to the scanner would be better than nothing. You
coujld GPL it.

Regards

Michael Fothergill









>
>I'll have to try it more seriously, but my first impression is that it's
>not
>what I need: I mostly scan a bunch of pages with the ADF (or manually from
>a book) and don't care much for image-editing features, so all the GIMP
>thingy comes as a hindrance more than a .
>
>The ability to reorganize pages after the scan but before generating the
>PDF
>(which xsane offers me in a primitive but usable way) is crucial in all
>those cases where the ADF gets wedged or something.
>
>OTOH it may be just what I need for those rare cases where I want to scan
>a few photos.
>
>Does anyone have some other favorite (Free Software) scanner program
>to recommend?
>
>
> Stefan
>
>
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>From: Andrew Sackville-West <andrew@farwestbilliards.com>
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software.......
>Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:27:04 -0800
>
>On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:24:35AM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello after a while on this. I have tried xsane in Debian and Fedora
>until
> > I am blue in the face and I can't get it to work. I am starting to
>think
> > the only way to get a scanner to work in Linux is if you write the
>program
> > in assembler code and hire an idiot savant to configure it.
>
>no, just a lot of monkeys.
>
>seriously though, what scanner? I missed it if you mentioned it
>before?

It is a Benq 4300 U
>
>I scan using and HP PSC all-in-one money pit and it works flawlessly
>with xsane.

Maybe its worth buying this scanner. Is it a SCSI one? Maybe they work
more easily in sane and xane.....

>
> >
> > I get all these weird I/O output crashes. Sane sort of works but is
>flaky
> > sometimes. I have tried the gimp quite insane thing and it also dies
>with
> > the I/O problem.
> >
>
>
>how about some output for us to look at?

OK. BUt Xsane just produces one line error messages to the screen. If it
writes a log file somewhere or could set up to do so as a job then this
might .

Sane and the probes of sane success in detecting the scanner produce lots of
nice output. I have planted it on numerous sites and bored the pants off
people with it but have not yet got any joy. The last two mailing lists
resulted in no response at all with any suggestion of how to improve things.
I

I think mine is a genuinely tough case.

Michael F





>
> > Vuescan works instantly and effusively. But it is proprietary. Does
> > anyone know of some even really crappy alternative? What is xscanimage?
> > Does it work? Is it in the packages?
>
>I believe xscanimage is in the repos: apt-cache search is your friend
>here.
>
>andrew@debian:~$ apt-cache show sane
>Package: sane
>Priority: optional
>Section: graphics
>Installed-Size: 248
>Maintainer: Julien BLACHE <jblache@debian.org>
>Architecture: i386
>Source: sane-frontends
>Version: 1.0.14-1
>Replaces: sane-gimp1.2, sane-gimp1.3
>Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgimp2.0 (>=
>2.2.0+rel), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0),
>libieee1284-3, libjpeg62, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libsane (>=
>1.0.11-3), libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.10a)
>Suggests: gimp
>Conflicts: sane-gimp1.2, sane-gimp1.3
>Filename: pool/main/s/sane-frontends/sane_1.0.14-1_i386.deb
>Size: 108690
>MD5sum: 5bc8daec42ffa32368378c12ef6cb031
>SHA1: 4bec89b2bdfe9e43c15903b89d4af6384aca7996
>SHA256:
>eae1178fd2f8c81bcc60641daa206a6eabc943456c771e157 6d1780c853b47e7
>Description: scanner graphical frontends
> This package includes :
> o xscanimage, a scanner graphical frontend with GIMP 2.0 support
> o scanadf, a command-line frontend for scanners with Automatic
> Document Feeder o xcam, for acquiring images continuously from
> cameras.
> .
> An alternative to xscanimage called xsane is packaged separately.
> .
> The scanner frontends use SANE. SANE stands for "Scanner Access Now
> Easy" and is an application programming interface (API) that provides
> standardized access to any raster image scanner hardware (flatbed
> scanner, hand-held scanner, video- and still-cameras, frame-grabbers,
> etc.). The SANE standard is free and its discussion and development
> are
> open to everybody. The current source code is written to support
> several
> operating systems, including GNU/Linux, OS/2, Win32 and various
> Unices
> and is available under the GNU General Public License (commercial
> applications and backends are welcome, too, however).
>Tag: interface::x11, role::sw:application, uitoolkit::gtk,
>use::downloading, works-with::image:raster, x11::application
>
>as you can see, it comes with the sane package.
>
>
> >
> > Even an abacus connected to the scanner would be better than nothing.
>You
> > coujld GPL it.
>
>printing would be tough.
>
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> Hello after a while on this. I have tried xsane in Debian and Fedora until
> I am blue in the face and I can't get it to work. I am starting to think
> the only way to get a scanner to work in Linux is if you write the program
> in assembler code and hire an idiot savant to configure it.
> I get all these weird I/O output crashes. Sane sort of works but is flaky
> sometimes. I have tried the gimp quite insane thing and it also dies with
> the I/O problem.

Looks like the problem is with the sane driver itself, then.
I've had no such problem with those programs, but I use the hpoj driver
which I gather is written with some from the manufacturer. I don't
hold HP in my heart, but they do provide good GNU/Linux support for their
printers and scanners in my experience. I think it's something worth
remembering when you shop for a new device.

> Vuescan works instantly and effusively. But it is proprietary.
> Does anyone know of some even really crappy alternative? What is
> xscanimage? Does it work? Is it in the packages?

I think your best bet is to try to get in touch with the maintainer(s) of
your sane driver (IIUC the driver for your Benq is can be found at
http://snapscan.sourceforge.net/).


Stefan


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On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:51:12AM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >
> >I scan using and HP PSC all-in-one money pit and it works flawlessly
> >with xsane.
>
> Maybe its worth buying this scanner. Is it a SCSI one? Maybe they work
> more easily in sane and xane.....
>
no, its a USB Hewlett-Packard PSC 1210 (PSC=print, scan,
copy). They're now up to PSC 13xx or something like that -- also works
great. the hplip package seems to just work with these devices, but
then HP ed write them, I believe.

> >
> >>
> >> I get all these weird I/O output crashes. Sane sort of works but is
> >flaky
> >> sometimes.

so sane works a bit, what's the difference between sane and xsane. I
know they are different packages, but have they forked the backend?
huh. weird.

I have tried the gimp quite insane thing and it also dies
> >with
> >> the I/O problem.
> >>
> >
> >
> >how about some output for us to look at?
>
> OK. BUt Xsane just produces one line error messages to the screen. If it
> writes a log file somewhere or could set up to do so as a job then this
> might .

have you tried running xsane from a terminal to capture any output it
might be sending to stdout?

you might try purging the whole mess and/or killing the config's for
it and starting over -- check the manpage for a list of config files
that get written, there are several.

>
> Sane and the probes of sane success in detecting the scanner produce lots
> of nice output. I have planted it on numerous sites and bored the pants
> off people with it but have not yet got any joy. The last two mailing
> lists resulted in no response at all with any suggestion of how to improve
> things. I
>
> I think mine is a genuinely tough case.

soudns like it. good luck

A

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