Hello!

I am a list-owner of several popular science discussion lists (about
meteorites, mineralogy, chemistry, mushrooms, and LexOS project (law open
source)). The server pengus.net where my lists are hosted is going to be
decommisioned. Therefore I am looking for a new server for my lists.

If you could host my lists (all or some of them at least) along with their
web pages free of charge I would be most grateful.

I would need the Mailman program (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ )
to be installed on your server (if you still haven't one installed), and
to have a full access under the shell to the mailman directory (in order
to run mailman commands to reformat lists archives etc.).

Because the lists are quite specialist, there is no high volume of
messages sent and therefore there is no high load for processor or high
bandwidth usage. Thus even servers with 486 type processor with slow
connection to internet would be fine for the lists.

It's hard for me to offer something in exchange for your kindness (apart
perhaps from a note on the lists web pages that you host them, if you
would like to advertise your server). I just hope that some of you would
think that it would be good if those list would still exist and not just
vanish along with the current server.

If you'd like to please contact me to the e-mail:
minerals-owner [at] list.pengus.net

Thank you very much indeed in advance!

Kind Regards
Andy

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:24:22 +0000, Andy <andyk@no.spam.org>
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I am a list-owner of several popular science discussion lists
> (about meteorites, mineralogy, chemistry, mushrooms, and LexOS
> project (law open source)). The server pengus.net where my
> lists are hosted is going to be decommisioned. Therefore I am
> looking for a new server for my lists.
>
> If you could host my lists (all or some of them at least) along
> with their web pages free of charge I would be most grateful.

Free?

With webpages full of huge image files, no doubt.

>
> I would need the Mailman program
> (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ ) to be installed on your
> server (if you still haven't one installed), and to have a full
> access under the shell to the mailman directory (in order to
> run mailman commands to reformat lists archives etc.).

And a free shell account with major priveleges?

>
> Because the lists are quite specialist, there is no high volume
> of messages sent and therefore there is no high load for
> processor or high bandwidth usage. Thus even servers with 486
> type processor with slow connection to internet would be fine
> for the lists.
>
> It's hard for me to offer something in exchange for your
> kindness (apart perhaps from a note on the lists web pages that
> you host them, if you would like to advertise your server). I
> just hope that some of you would think that it would be good if
> those list would still exist and not just vanish along with the
> current server.
>
> If you'd like to please contact me to the e-mail:
> minerals-owner [at] list.pengus.net

Could be a 'vanity' domain name. There may be no such lists.

>
> Thank you very much indeed in advance!
>
> Kind Regards Andy
>
>
>

Post on the Usenet, read on the Usenet.

Why don't you just run mailman on your own machine? If the volume
is low, what's the problem?

And apache for a webserver. Low volume, no problem. If you
can run mailman, you can run apache.

Disk storage is cheap these days and you obviously have a
computer.

Where did you get the idea that the Usenet was where to look
for free shell accounts and free server space?

Ever hear of Google?

And you are using a common first name for an alias, which is
something that trolls do to avoid being tracked through the
archives. Since you know enough to munge your real address
and put an obviously phoney one in your From: header, you
know the Usenet very well.

I'd recommend that anyone think 10X before letting you near
any computer they control.


AC

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:24:22 +0000, Andy <andyk@no.spam.org>
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I am a list-owner of several popular science discussion lists
> (about meteorites, mineralogy, chemistry, mushrooms, and LexOS
> project (law open source)). The server pengus.net where my
> lists are hosted is going to be decommisioned. Therefore I am
> looking for a new server for my lists.
>
> If you could host my lists (all or some of them at least) along
> with their web pages free of charge I would be most grateful.

Free?

With webpages full of huge image files, no doubt.

>
> I would need the Mailman program
> (http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/ ) to be installed on your
> server (if you still haven't one installed), and to have a full
> access under the shell to the mailman directory (in order to
> run mailman commands to reformat lists archives etc.).

And a free shell account with major priveleges?

>
> Because the lists are quite specialist, there is no high volume
> of messages sent and therefore there is no high load for
> processor or high bandwidth usage. Thus even servers with 486
> type processor with slow connection to internet would be fine
> for the lists.
>
> It's hard for me to offer something in exchange for your
> kindness (apart perhaps from a note on the lists web pages that
> you host them, if you would like to advertise your server). I
> just hope that some of you would think that it would be good if
> those list would still exist and not just vanish along with the
> current server.
>
> If you'd like to please contact me to the e-mail:
> minerals-owner [at] list.pengus.net

Could be a 'vanity' domain name. There may be no such lists.

>
> Thank you very much indeed in advance!
>
> Kind Regards Andy
>
>
>

Post on the Usenet, read on the Usenet.

Why don't you just run mailman on your own machine? If the volume
is low, what's the problem?

And apache for a webserver. Low volume, no problem. If you
can run mailman, you can run apache.

Disk storage is cheap these days and you obviously have a
computer.

Where did you get the idea that the Usenet was where to look
for free shell accounts and free server space?

Ever hear of Google?

And you are using a common first name for an alias, which is
something that trolls do to avoid being tracked through the
archives. Since you know enough to munge your real address
and put an obviously phoney one in your From: header, you
know the Usenet very well.

I'd recommend that anyone think 10X before letting you near
any computer they control.


AC

Andy <andyk@no.spam.org> wrote:

> Because the lists are quite specialist, there is no high volume of
> messages sent and therefore there is no high load for processor or high
> bandwidth usage. Thus even servers with 486 type processor with slow
> connection to internet would be fine for the lists.


.... why not just get broadband and setup a machine yourself?

--
<< http://michaeljtobler.homelinux.com/ >>
Brain on vacation, penis on autopilot.

Andy <andyk@no.spam.org> wrote:

> Because the lists are quite specialist, there is no high volume of
> messages sent and therefore there is no high load for processor or high
> bandwidth usage. Thus even servers with 486 type processor with slow
> connection to internet would be fine for the lists.


.... why not just get broadband and setup a machine yourself?

--
<< http://michaeljtobler.homelinux.com/ >>
Brain on vacation, penis on autopilot.

mjt wrote:
> Andy <andyk@no.spam.org> wrote:
>
> > Because the lists are quite specialist, there is no high volume of
> > messages sent and therefore there is no high load for processor or
high
> > bandwidth usage. Thus even servers with 486 type processor with
slow
> > connection to internet would be fine for the lists.
>
>
> ... why not just get broadband and setup a machine yourself?
>

Or for crying out loud, shared hosting isn't expensive - you can get it
under $10.00 a month, and if this content is really worth anything to
the provider or its intended audience, why wouldn't you be willing to
pay?

Even dedicated machines can be had for under $100.00 a month now, and I
expect the $300 and up that a lot of places charge will come down
toward the double digits soon - hardware is so cheap that it's almost
insignificant unless you need incredible performance, which darn few of
us do.

--
Tony Lawrence
http://aplawrence.com (presently running on higher-end shared hosting
though looking at dedicated very seriously recently)

mjt wrote:
> Andy <andyk@no.spam.org> wrote:
>
> > Because the lists are quite specialist, there is no high volume of
> > messages sent and therefore there is no high load for processor or
high
> > bandwidth usage. Thus even servers with 486 type processor with
slow
> > connection to internet would be fine for the lists.
>
>
> ... why not just get broadband and setup a machine yourself?
>

Or for crying out loud, shared hosting isn't expensive - you can get it
under $10.00 a month, and if this content is really worth anything to
the provider or its intended audience, why wouldn't you be willing to
pay?

Even dedicated machines can be had for under $100.00 a month now, and I
expect the $300 and up that a lot of places charge will come down
toward the double digits soon - hardware is so cheap that it's almost
insignificant unless you need incredible performance, which darn few of
us do.

--
Tony Lawrence
http://aplawrence.com (presently running on higher-end shared hosting
though looking at dedicated very seriously recently)

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:11:11 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> wrote:
>Free?

Free.

>With webpages full of huge image files, no doubt.

Nope, only on the webpage of mushrooms mailing list there are some photos
of the mushrooms. There are only a few pictures on other web pages.
The amount of posts sent to the lists is on average 1 per day I think, so
by any means that's a lot.

>And a free shell account with major priveleges?

Depends what you mean by major priviliges. I think of basic priviliges,
and additionaly access to mailman directory with priviliges to run mailman
commands.

>Could be a 'vanity' domain name. There may be no such lists.

My goodness!
http://list.pengus.net/mailman/listinfo

>Why don't you just run mailman on your own machine? If the volume
>is low, what's the problem?

I have no my own server.

>And apache for a webserver. Low volume, no problem. If you
>can run mailman, you can run apache.

I have nowhere to run it.

>Disk storage is cheap these days and you obviously have a
>computer.

But cannot make a server from it running 24/7/365

>And you are using a common first name for an alias, which is
>something that trolls do to avoid being tracked through the
>archives. Since you know enough to munge your real address

My full name is on the lists web pages.

>I'd recommend that anyone think 10X before letting you near
>any computer they control.

I'm neither a hacker, nor a spammer if that is what you are afraid of. I'm
just a list-owner without his own server.

Andy

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:11:11 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> wrote:
>Free?

Free.

>With webpages full of huge image files, no doubt.

Nope, only on the webpage of mushrooms mailing list there are some photos
of the mushrooms. There are only a few pictures on other web pages.
The amount of posts sent to the lists is on average 1 per day I think, so
by any means that's a lot.

>And a free shell account with major priveleges?

Depends what you mean by major priviliges. I think of basic priviliges,
and additionaly access to mailman directory with priviliges to run mailman
commands.

>Could be a 'vanity' domain name. There may be no such lists.

My goodness!
http://list.pengus.net/mailman/listinfo

>Why don't you just run mailman on your own machine? If the volume
>is low, what's the problem?

I have no my own server.

>And apache for a webserver. Low volume, no problem. If you
>can run mailman, you can run apache.

I have nowhere to run it.

>Disk storage is cheap these days and you obviously have a
>computer.

But cannot make a server from it running 24/7/365

>And you are using a common first name for an alias, which is
>something that trolls do to avoid being tracked through the
>archives. Since you know enough to munge your real address

My full name is on the lists web pages.

>I'd recommend that anyone think 10X before letting you near
>any computer they control.

I'm neither a hacker, nor a spammer if that is what you are afraid of. I'm
just a list-owner without his own server.

Andy

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]

In <Pine.LNX.4.62.0502281422060.10258@simba.pengus.ne t> Andy:

[Snip...]

> I'm neither a hacker, nor a spammer if that is what you are afraid of.

Andy, just FYI--you're involved with a howling netkook; please see:

http://angel.1jh.com/nanae/kooks/alanconnor.shtml

You probably have better things to do--YMMV, HTH...

--
Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) * IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO FOLLOWS *
Pardon any bogus email addresses (wookie) in place for spambots.
Really, it's (wyrd) at airmail, dotted with net. DO NOT SPAM IT.
Kids jumping ship? Looking to hire an old-school type? Email me.

["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.misc.]

In <Pine.LNX.4.62.0502281422060.10258@simba.pengus.ne t> Andy:

[Snip...]

> I'm neither a hacker, nor a spammer if that is what you are afraid of.

Andy, just FYI--you're involved with a howling netkook; please see:

http://angel.1jh.com/nanae/kooks/alanconnor.shtml

You probably have better things to do--YMMV, HTH...

--
Regards, Weird (Harold Stevens) * IMPORTANT EMAIL INFO FOLLOWS *
Pardon any bogus email addresses (wookie) in place for spambots.
Really, it's (wyrd) at airmail, dotted with net. DO NOT SPAM IT.
Kids jumping ship? Looking to hire an old-school type? Email me.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:24:07 +0000, Andy <andyk@no.spam.org>
wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:11:11 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy>
> wrote:
>
>>Free?
>
> Free.
>
>>With webpages full of huge image files, no doubt.
>
> Nope, only on the webpage of mushrooms mailing list there are
> some photos of the mushrooms. There are only a few pictures on
> other web pages. The amount of posts sent to the lists is on
> average 1 per day I think, so by any means that's a lot.
>
>>And a free shell account with major priveleges?
>
> Depends what you mean by major priviliges. I think of basic
> priviliges, and additionaly access to mailman directory with
> priviliges to run mailman commands.
>
>>Could be a 'vanity' domain name. There may be no such lists.
>
> My goodness! http://list.pengus.net/mailman/listinfo

Should have been in your original post.

>
>>Why don't you just run mailman on your own machine? If the
>>volume is low, what's the problem?
>
> I have no my own server.

A server is just a frigging program running on a computer.

>
>>And apache for a webserver. Low volume, no
>>problem. If you can run mailman, you can run apache.
>
> I have nowhere to run it.
>
>>Disk storage is cheap these days and you obviously
>>have a computer.
>
> But cannot make a server from it running 24/7/365

Why not? Conversely:

It doesn't have to run all the time.

One post a day does not require a 24-7 server.

>
>>And you are using a common first name for an alias, which is
>>something that trolls do to avoid being tracked through the
>>archives. Since you know enough to munge your real address
>
> My full name is on the lists web pages.

Which you didn't list in your original post, as I recall.

That's not the point. This is the USENET.

No one should have to go to website to check and see whether
you are a troll or not.

And I am killfiling you for the above reasons.

>
>>I'd recommend that anyone think 10X before letting you near any
>>computer they control.
>
> I'm neither a hacker, a spammer if that is what you are
> afraid of. I'm just a list-owner without his own server.
>
>

Maybe. But that's what a cracker-spammer-troll would say.

I think you are here because all the shell-account providers
told you to take a hike.

Who the fuck cares about a hobbyist's mailing lists and
websites? You aren't trying to feed the poor or bring peace
to the world or save the environment that sustains us.

You and the members of your lists do not qualify as charity
cases. Pay for it YOURSELVES, you conceited and greedy assholes.


AC

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 14:24:07 +0000, Andy <andyk@no.spam.org>
wrote:

> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:11:11 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy>
> wrote:
>
>>Free?
>
> Free.
>
>>With webpages full of huge image files, no doubt.
>
> Nope, only on the webpage of mushrooms mailing list there are
> some photos of the mushrooms. There are only a few pictures on
> other web pages. The amount of posts sent to the lists is on
> average 1 per day I think, so by any means that's a lot.
>
>>And a free shell account with major priveleges?
>
> Depends what you mean by major priviliges. I think of basic
> priviliges, and additionaly access to mailman directory with
> priviliges to run mailman commands.
>
>>Could be a 'vanity' domain name. There may be no such lists.
>
> My goodness! http://list.pengus.net/mailman/listinfo

Should have been in your original post.

>
>>Why don't you just run mailman on your own machine? If the
>>volume is low, what's the problem?
>
> I have no my own server.

A server is just a frigging program running on a computer.

>
>>And apache for a webserver. Low volume, no
>>problem. If you can run mailman, you can run apache.
>
> I have nowhere to run it.
>
>>Disk storage is cheap these days and you obviously
>>have a computer.
>
> But cannot make a server from it running 24/7/365

Why not? Conversely:

It doesn't have to run all the time.

One post a day does not require a 24-7 server.

>
>>And you are using a common first name for an alias, which is
>>something that trolls do to avoid being tracked through the
>>archives. Since you know enough to munge your real address
>
> My full name is on the lists web pages.

Which you didn't list in your original post, as I recall.

That's not the point. This is the USENET.

No one should have to go to website to check and see whether
you are a troll or not.

And I am killfiling you for the above reasons.

>
>>I'd recommend that anyone think 10X before letting you near any
>>computer they control.
>
> I'm neither a hacker, a spammer if that is what you are
> afraid of. I'm just a list-owner without his own server.
>
>

Maybe. But that's what a cracker-spammer-troll would say.

I think you are here because all the shell-account providers
told you to take a hike.

Who the fuck cares about a hobbyist's mailing lists and
websites? You aren't trying to feed the poor or bring peace
to the world or save the environment that sustains us.

You and the members of your lists do not qualify as charity
cases. Pay for it YOURSELVES, you conceited and greedy assholes.


AC

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:01:17 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:

> That's not the point. This is the USENET.
>
> No one should have to go to website to check and see whether
> you are a troll or not.
>
> And I am killfiling you for the above reasons.

Don't mind AC, he's our resident net-kook...

And don't worry about his kill-file, being kill-filed by him is sort of
like death in D&D... Not very permanent, and you can always play anyway....

But, if you really want, there are free hosting services, if you look.
Google away. Or, as has been said, set it up yourself, although it's not
as simple as some might lead you to believe...

You have to take some precautions, and as a minimum block spam and
viruses, and make sure you don't run an open relay....

--
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SpamTrap DoMeNow@seiner.com

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:01:17 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:

> That's not the point. This is the USENET.
>
> No one should have to go to website to check and see whether
> you are a troll or not.
>
> And I am killfiling you for the above reasons.

Don't mind AC, he's our resident net-kook...

And don't worry about his kill-file, being kill-filed by him is sort of
like death in D&D... Not very permanent, and you can always play anyway....

But, if you really want, there are free hosting services, if you look.
Google away. Or, as has been said, set it up yourself, although it's not
as simple as some might lead you to believe...

You have to take some precautions, and as a minimum block spam and
viruses, and make sure you don't run an open relay....

--
use munged address above to email me
SpamTrap DoMeNow@seiner.com

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:01:17 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> wrote:

<snip>

"Captain Dondo..."

You have a troll score.

Your post is ignored. As will be any responses to it.

As they have been for quite a while now.


AC

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 18:01:17 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> wrote:

<snip>

"Captain Dondo..."

You have a troll score.

Your post is ignored. As will be any responses to it.

As they have been for quite a while now.


AC

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:23:09 +0000, Alan Connor wrote:


> Your post is ignored. As will be any responses to it.
>
> As they have been for quite a while now.

QED....

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SpamTrap DoMeNow@seiner.com

>Should have been in your original post.

Interested or curious people could ask me privately, couldn't they?

>> I have no my own server.
>
>A server is just a frigging program running on a computer.

Can't you really imagine situations when the server couldn't be run?

>One post a day does not require a 24-7 server.

When there is a hot topic there can be 2-3 dozens of posts a day.

>Which you didn't list in your original post, as I recall.

Who cares if my alias is diminutive from my real name or a fake alias like
Alan Connor?

>No one should have to go to website to check and see whether
>you are a troll or not.

You behave like a troll if you really want to know.

>And I am killfiling you for the above reasons.

LOL

>Maybe. But that's what a cracker-spammer-troll would say.

If you'd immediately react on my requests to any situations, which would
require access to shell then I can do without access to shell.

>I think you are here because all the shell-account providers
>told you to take a hike.

If you spent less your time ranting then perhaps you would notice that I'm
writing this post from a shell account.

>Who the fuck cares about a hobbyist's mailing lists and
>websites?

Apparently not a troll as you.

>You aren't trying to feed the poor or bring peace
>to the world or save the environment that sustains us.

What a narrow-minded point of view!

>You and the members of your lists do not qualify as charity
>cases. Pay for it YOURSELVES, you conceited and greedy assholes.

And who is greedy here, huh?

EOD with you.

Andy

>Should have been in your original post.

Interested or curious people could ask me privately, couldn't they?

>> I have no my own server.
>
>A server is just a frigging program running on a computer.

Can't you really imagine situations when the server couldn't be run?

>One post a day does not require a 24-7 server.

When there is a hot topic there can be 2-3 dozens of posts a day.

>Which you didn't list in your original post, as I recall.

Who cares if my alias is diminutive from my real name or a fake alias like
Alan Connor?

>No one should have to go to website to check and see whether
>you are a troll or not.

You behave like a troll if you really want to know.

>And I am killfiling you for the above reasons.

LOL

>Maybe. But that's what a cracker-spammer-troll would say.

If you'd immediately react on my requests to any situations, which would
require access to shell then I can do without access to shell.

>I think you are here because all the shell-account providers
>told you to take a hike.

If you spent less your time ranting then perhaps you would notice that I'm
writing this post from a shell account.

>Who the fuck cares about a hobbyist's mailing lists and
>websites?

Apparently not a troll as you.

>You aren't trying to feed the poor or bring peace
>to the world or save the environment that sustains us.

What a narrow-minded point of view!

>You and the members of your lists do not qualify as charity
>cases. Pay for it YOURSELVES, you conceited and greedy assholes.

And who is greedy here, huh?

EOD with you.

Andy

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:11:11 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:24:22 +0000, Andy <andyk@no.spam.org>
> wrote:
>

<snip>

Andy, you don't need mailman. Just procmail. Have people on your
mailing list send their posts to your regular address with a
certain string on the Subject line, say, "AML".

Here's the procmail recipe:

:0
* ^Subject.*AML
* ^From:.*\/[A-Za-z0-9_.+-]+@[A-Za-z0-9_.+-]+\.[A-Za-z0-9]+
* ? grep -i "${MATCH}" /home/andy/aml2
{
LIST=`cat /home/andy/aml`

:0c
! ${LIST}

:0
aml

}

------------

/home/andy/aml and /home/andy/aml2 are identical, one address per
line.

Whenever you retrieve your mail from your ISP, mail from anyone
listed in those files, with "AML" on the subject line, will be
sent a copy and a copy will go to the mailbox "aml" on your
machine.

Since you say that the member's webpages are small, just
put them on your personal website(s) provided by your ISP with
your account. Or have them use their OWN personal websites.

To make the URL's short, go to http://tinyurl.com and get tiny
urls for them.

If you don't know how to set up procmail, see comp.mail.misc.

I won't see your posts there either, but you'll get the
you need. It is not difficult.

AC

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:11:11 GMT, Alan Connor <zzzzzz@xxx.yyy> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 02:24:22 +0000, Andy <andyk@no.spam.org>
> wrote:
>

<snip>

Andy, you don't need mailman. Just procmail. Have people on your
mailing list send their posts to your regular address with a
certain string on the Subject line, say, "AML".

Here's the procmail recipe:

:0
* ^Subject.*AML
* ^From:.*\/[A-Za-z0-9_.+-]+@[A-Za-z0-9_.+-]+\.[A-Za-z0-9]+
* ? grep -i "${MATCH}" /home/andy/aml2
{
LIST=`cat /home/andy/aml`

:0c
! ${LIST}

:0
aml

}

------------

/home/andy/aml and /home/andy/aml2 are identical, one address per
line.

Whenever you retrieve your mail from your ISP, mail from anyone
listed in those files, with "AML" on the subject line, will be
sent a copy and a copy will go to the mailbox "aml" on your
machine.

Since you say that the member's webpages are small, just
put them on your personal website(s) provided by your ISP with
your account. Or have them use their OWN personal websites.

To make the URL's short, go to http://tinyurl.com and get tiny
urls for them.

If you don't know how to set up procmail, see comp.mail.misc.

I won't see your posts there either, but you'll get the
you need. It is not difficult.

AC

Andy <andyk@no.spam.org> writes:
> I am a list-owner of several popular science discussion lists (about
> meteorites, mineralogy, chemistry, mushrooms, and LexOS project (law open
> source)). The server pengus.net where my lists are hosted is going to be
> decommisioned. Therefore I am looking for a new server for my lists.

Your simplest bet may be to use a Yahoo group.

Andy <andyk@no.spam.org> writes:
> I am a list-owner of several popular science discussion lists (about
> meteorites, mineralogy, chemistry, mushrooms, and LexOS project (law open
> source)). The server pengus.net where my lists are hosted is going to be
> decommisioned. Therefore I am looking for a new server for my lists.

Your simplest bet may be to use a Yahoo group.