I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
compensation they're offering!

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html

Tony wrote:
> I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
> obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
> compensation they're offering!

It's not all that much different to the many posts we've seen here over
the years, that offer "a share of the [potential] profits" instead of
upfront payment. It's the sort of job that should be avoided.

--
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The opinions stated above are not necessarily representative of
those of my cats. All opinions expressed are entirely your own.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 21:36:08 -0800, Tony <nospam@example.com> wrote:

>I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
>obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
>compensation they're offering!
>
>http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html

For someone with those skills, I think a base salary would be an upfront
requirement...then some points. Promises don't pay bills.

In article <13s79ab3q2l708c@corp.supernews.com>, nospam@example.com
says...
> I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
> obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
> compensation they're offering!
>
> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html
>
Not so unusual. I get an occassional offer from potential clients that
goes something like this:

I need about 8 hours of your time a day for PHP programming over the
next 3 - 6 months. I can't tell you our business model because we don't
want it stolen and we can't pay you upfront since we're a small start-
up, but after we start turning an anticipated profit in 2009, we'll give
you 5% of the profit. You see the potential, don't you? You'll make a
couple hundred thousand over the next few years!

No thanks, cash up front.

The first one to do this to me in 2003 was a restaurant menu listing
website. As of this morning, the domain is still parked at GoDaddy.

"SAZ" <saz1958@nospamexcite.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.222ddbee4a8f12ba9896e8@newsgroups.comcast .net...
> In article <13s79ab3q2l708c@corp.supernews.com>, nospam@example.com
> says...
>> I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
>> obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
>> compensation they're offering!
>>
>> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html
>>
> Not so unusual. I get an occassional offer from potential clients that
> goes something like this:
>
> I need about 8 hours of your time a day for PHP programming over the
> next 3 - 6 months. I can't tell you our business model because we don't
> want it stolen and we can't pay you upfront since we're a small start-
> up, but after we start turning an anticipated profit in 2009, we'll give
> you 5% of the profit. You see the potential, don't you? You'll make a
> couple hundred thousand over the next few years!
>
> No thanks, cash up front.
>
> The first one to do this to me in 2003 was a restaurant menu listing
> website. As of this morning, the domain is still parked at GoDaddy.

We get that a lot too, with hosting requests. They'll typically ask for a
dedicated server with profit sharing as soon as their website makes money.

--Tina

Tina Peters wrote:
>
>
> "SAZ" <saz1958@nospamexcite.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.222ddbee4a8f12ba9896e8@newsgroups.comcast .net...
>> In article <13s79ab3q2l708c@corp.supernews.com>, nospam@example.com
>> says...
>>> I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
>>> obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
>>> compensation they're offering!
>>>
>>> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html
>>>
>> Not so unusual. I get an occassional offer from potential clients that
>> goes something like this:
>>
>> I need about 8 hours of your time a day for PHP programming over the
>> next 3 - 6 months. I can't tell you our business model because we don't
>> want it stolen and we can't pay you upfront since we're a small start-
>> up, but after we start turning an anticipated profit in 2009, we'll give
>> you 5% of the profit. You see the potential, don't you? You'll make a
>> couple hundred thousand over the next few years!
>>
>> No thanks, cash up front.
>>
>> The first one to do this to me in 2003 was a restaurant menu listing
>> website. As of this morning, the domain is still parked at GoDaddy.
>
> We get that a lot too, with hosting requests. They'll typically ask for
> a dedicated server with profit sharing as soon as their website makes
> money.
>
> --Tina
>

What I don't understand is, if they have such a great business model,
why don't they get a loan from the bank for startup costs?

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> Tina Peters wrote:
> >
> >
> >"SAZ" <saz1958@nospamexcite.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.222ddbee4a8f12ba9896e8@newsgroups.comcast .net...
> > > In article <13s79ab3q2l708c@corp.supernews.com>,
> > > nospam@example.com says...
> > > > I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
> > > > obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look
> > > > at the compensation they're offering!
> > > >
> > > > http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html
> > > >
> > > Not so unusual. I get an occassional offer from potential
> > > clients that goes something like this:
> > >
> > > I need about 8 hours of your time a day for PHP programming over
> > > the next 3 - 6 months. I can't tell you our business model
> > > because we don't want it stolen and we can't pay you upfront
> > > since we're a small start- up, but after we start turning an
> > > anticipated profit in 2009, we'll give you 5% of the profit. You
> > > see the potential, don't you? You'll make a couple hundred
> > > thousand over the next few years!
> > >
> > > No thanks, cash up front.
> > >
> > > The first one to do this to me in 2003 was a restaurant menu
> > > listing website. As of this morning, the domain is still parked
> > > at GoDaddy.
> >
> > We get that a lot too, with hosting requests. They'll typically
> > ask for a dedicated server with profit sharing as soon as their
> > website makes money.
> >
> > --Tina
> >
>
> What I don't understand is [absolutely anything]

Hi Jerry,
I've corrected your spelling for you, above. HTH )

In article <t42dndVpsZr1rFnanZ2dnUVZ_vLinZ2d@comcast.com>,
jstucklex@attglobal.net says...
> Tina Peters wrote:
> >
> >
> > "SAZ" <saz1958@nospamexcite.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.222ddbee4a8f12ba9896e8@newsgroups.comcast .net...
> >> In article <13s79ab3q2l708c@corp.supernews.com>, nospam@example.com
> >> says...
> >>> I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
> >>> obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
> >>> compensation they're offering!
> >>>
> >>> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html
> >>>
> >> Not so unusual. I get an occassional offer from potential clients that
> >> goes something like this:
> >>
> >> I need about 8 hours of your time a day for PHP programming over the
> >> next 3 - 6 months. I can't tell you our business model because we don't
> >> want it stolen and we can't pay you upfront since we're a small start-
> >> up, but after we start turning an anticipated profit in 2009, we'll give
> >> you 5% of the profit. You see the potential, don't you? You'll make a
> >> couple hundred thousand over the next few years!
> >>
> >> No thanks, cash up front.
> >>
> >> The first one to do this to me in 2003 was a restaurant menu listing
> >> website. As of this morning, the domain is still parked at GoDaddy.
> >
> > We get that a lot too, with hosting requests. They'll typically ask for
> > a dedicated server with profit sharing as soon as their website makes
> > money.
> >
> > --Tina
> >
>
> What I don't understand is, if they have such a great business model,
> why don't they get a loan from the bank for startup costs?
>
>
Why take out a loan when you can get people to work for free?

From their point of view - it doesn't hurt to try, never know if
you'll get someone who'll work for free - of course, I imagine it'd be
hard to get someone who does good work under those terms, unless they
have some sort of independent income and are doing it for "fun."

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On Feb 26, 11:41 am, SAZ <saz1...@nospamexcite.com> wrote:
> In article <t42dndVpsZr1rFnanZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com>,
> jstuck...@attglobal.net says...
>
> > Tina Peters wrote:
>
> > > "SAZ" <saz1...@nospamexcite.com> wrote in message
> > >news:MPG.222ddbee4a8f12ba9896e8@newsgroups.comcas t.net...
> > >> In article <13s79ab3q2l7...@corp.supernews.com>, nos...@example.com
> > >> says...
> > >>> I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
> > >>> obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
> > >>> compensation they're offering!
>
> > >>>http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html
>
> > >> Not so unusual. I get an occassional offer from potential clients that
> > >> goes something like this:
>
> > >> I need about 8 hours of your time a day for PHP programming over the
> > >> next 3 - 6 months. I can't tell you our business model because we don't
> > >> want it stolen and we can't pay you upfront since we're a small start-
> > >> up, but after we start turning an anticipated profit in 2009, we'll give
> > >> you 5% of the profit. You see the potential, don't you? You'll make a
> > >> couple hundred thousand over the next few years!
>
> > >> No thanks, cash up front.
>
> > >> The first one to do this to me in 2003 was a restaurant menu listing
> > >> website. As of this morning, the domain is still parked at GoDaddy.
>
> > > We get that a lot too, with hosting requests. They'll typically ask for
> > > a dedicated server with profit sharing as soon as their website makes
> > > money.
>
> > > --Tina
>
> > What I don't understand is, if they have such a great business model,
> > why don't they get a loan from the bank for startup costs?
>
> Why take out a loan when you can get people to work for free?

In article <9288cb36-e410-4600-a7a4-bee5d8166211@
28g2000hsw.googlegroups.com>, aric.watson@gmail.com says...
> From their point of view - it doesn't hurt to try, never know if
> you'll get someone who'll work for free - of course, I imagine it'd be
> hard to get someone who does good work under those terms, unless they
> have some sort of independent income and are doing it for "fun."
>
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> www.EliteRax.com - Dedicated Servers, Server Clusters
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> - Great prices, Great service - check us out!
>
> On Feb 26, 11:41 am, SAZ <saz1...@nospamexcite.com> wrote:
> > In article <t42dndVpsZr1rFnanZ2dnUVZ_vLin...@comcast.com>,
> > jstuck...@attglobal.net says...
> >
> > > Tina Peters wrote:
> >
> > > > "SAZ" <saz1...@nospamexcite.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:MPG.222ddbee4a8f12ba9896e8@newsgroups.comcas t.net...
> > > >> In article <13s79ab3q2l7...@corp.supernews.com>, nos...@example.com
> > > >> says...
> > > >>> I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
> > > >>> obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
> > > >>> compensation they're offering!
> >
> > > >>>http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html
> >
> > > >> Not so unusual. I get an occassional offer from potential clients that
> > > >> goes something like this:
> >
> > > >> I need about 8 hours of your time a day for PHP programming over the
> > > >> next 3 - 6 months. I can't tell you our business model because we don't
> > > >> want it stolen and we can't pay you upfront since we're a small start-
> > > >> up, but after we start turning an anticipated profit in 2009, we'll give
> > > >> you 5% of the profit. You see the potential, don't you? You'll make a
> > > >> couple hundred thousand over the next few years!
> >
> > > >> No thanks, cash up front.
> >
> > > >> The first one to do this to me in 2003 was a restaurant menu listing
> > > >> website. As of this morning, the domain is still parked at GoDaddy.
> >
> > > > We get that a lot too, with hosting requests. They'll typically ask for
> > > > a dedicated server with profit sharing as soon as their website makes
> > > > money.
> >
> > > > --Tina
> >
> > > What I don't understand is, if they have such a great business model,
> > > why don't they get a loan from the bank for startup costs?

My brother-in-law is also in this business. 3 years ago, he spent
several days on a 5 page design for an online estate valuation website,
with the promise of 10% of the proceeds from all sales/appraisals that
come in as a result of the website.

Funny thing - after 3 years (according to the owners) not a single
appraisal has come through the site and it is #2 in Google in their
desired search terms...very strange....

Just before Xmas they asked him to "freshen up" the site, this time he
told them it would not be for future profits. He spent 2 hours on the
site and sent them an invoice for $2200. They paid it.

"Dylan Parry" <usenet@dylanparry.com> wrote in message
news:fq0l6r.5e8.1@dylanparry.com...

| Tony wrote:
| > I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
| > obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
| > compensation they're offering!
|
| It's not all that much different to the many posts we've seen here over
| the years, that offer "a share of the [potential] profits" instead of
| upfront payment. It's the sort of job that should be avoided.
|

Every time I see one of these I'm reminded of the joke about the chicken and
the pig planning a breakfast dinner.

Project requires the pig's totally committed, in the end the chicken owns
everything.

"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:t42dndVpsZr1rFnanZ2dnUVZ_vLinZ2d@comcast.com. ..
| Tina Peters wrote:
| >
| >
| > "SAZ" <saz1958@nospamexcite.com> wrote in message
| > news:MPG.222ddbee4a8f12ba9896e8@newsgroups.comcast .net...
| >> In article <13s79ab3q2l708c@corp.supernews.com>, nospam@example.com
| >> says...
| >>> I wouldn't normally post something like this, but this is beyond
| >>> obnoxious. The list of qualifications is huge - but take a look at the
| >>> compensation they're offering!
| >>>
| >>> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/web/584603816.html
| >>>
| >> Not so unusual. I get an occassional offer from potential clients that
| >> goes something like this:
| >>
| >> I need about 8 hours of your time a day for PHP programming over the
| >> next 3 - 6 months. I can't tell you our business model because we
don't
| >> want it stolen and we can't pay you upfront since we're a small start-
| >> up, but after we start turning an anticipated profit in 2009, we'll
give
| >> you 5% of the profit. You see the potential, don't you? You'll make a
| >> couple hundred thousand over the next few years!
| >>
| >> No thanks, cash up front.
| >>
| >> The first one to do this to me in 2003 was a restaurant menu listing
| >> website. As of this morning, the domain is still parked at GoDaddy.
| >
| > We get that a lot too, with hosting requests. They'll typically ask for
| > a dedicated server with profit sharing as soon as their website makes
| > money.
| >
| > --Tina
| >
|
| What I don't understand is, if they have such a great business model,
| why don't they get a loan from the bank for startup costs?

I send them to the SBA for a micro loan and a side education in preparing a
realistic business plan.