1 and 1 pissed me off because I found out they submitted me to a
collection agency so now I am forced to pay the agency's fee and the
renewal fee.

I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the people
who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.

So if they are unable to autocharge your credit card and you do not pay or
cancel within 30 days, they will happily give your account to a collection
agency. I mean they do this on day 31.

I did receive the invoice but no where in it they mentioned that if they
don't get paid, they do the collection thing. Plus I haven't heard from the
collection agency and no warnings that my account is overdue.

This whole thing is annoying because a lousy unpaid $6.99 can potentially
put a red mark on your credit report/history.

I subscribed to many auto renewal services which I let lapse but no one
"forced" me to pay them or else I go to a collection agency. I am OK with
auto renewal practices but to endanger my credit score with no hesitation
is not good practice.

I hate this practice from them so much that I will pay all the fees and
transfer
to another registrar even though I am paying 1&1 for a year from now. I
will not do business with them anymore.

Their FAQ page doesn't mention this practice. The rep on the phone
suggested to send a suggestion to their suggestion email. That email
address is not on their home page, FAQ or contact page. Screw them.

This is my personal opinion and I don't believe GoDaddy does this thing.

Simon Nime

"Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
>
> I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the people
> who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.

So, quit your bitching.

--Tina

> I hate this practice from them so much that I will pay all the fees and
> transfer
> to another registrar even though I am paying 1&1 for a year from now. I
> will not do business with them anymore.

I recommend you avoid Demon.

(Or try demon.service and search on "accounts".)

"Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
> >
> > I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the
> > people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
>
> So, quit your bitching.
>
> --Tina

The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection agencies if
they can't auto charge your credit card.

My post was a warning to the public about their business practices.
What was the benefit of your stupid comment?

S.

nospam@nospam.nospam (Simon Nime) wrote:

> "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:

[..]

>> So, quit your bitching.

> My post was a warning to the public about their business practices.
> What was the benefit of your stupid comment?

It made me laugh.

--
John Bokma http://johnbokma.com/

"Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
news:20080213172217.236$Zd@newsreader.com...
> "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
>> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
>> >
>> > I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the
>> > people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
>>
>> So, quit your bitching.
>>
>> --Tina
>
> The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection agencies if
> they can't auto charge your credit card.

So? If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child. I'll
send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance fee.

--Tina

Tina Peters wrote:

>
> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:20080213172217.236$Zd@newsreader.com... >"Tina Peters"
> <tina@axishost.com> wrote: >>"Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam>
> wrote in message
> > > news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
> > > >
> >>> I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the
> >>> people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
> > >
> > > So, quit your bitching.
> > >
> > > --Tina
> >
> > The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection
> > agencies if they can't auto charge your credit card.
>
> So? If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child.
> I'll send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance
> fee.
>
> --Tina

small Heads Up! there for the poster a few weeks ago looking at
hosting, when dear Tina offered herself as a decent sort of provider.
Glad now that you went to someone with scruples rather than her? Yep,
thought so... )



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nospam@nospam.nospam (Simon Nime) writes:

> "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> > "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> > news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
> > >
> > > I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the
> > > people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
> >
> > So, quit your bitching.
> >
> > --Tina
>
> The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection agencies if
> they can't auto charge your credit card.
>
> My post was a warning to the public about their business practices.
> What was the benefit of your stupid comment?

In addition to making me laugh as well, she brought the merchant's
viewpoint to it. If you dont' read terms and conditions, you lose
a lot of entitlement to bitch.

Lame that 1&1 is so quick to sell their debt to collections. Doesn't
seem like a smart thing for them to do PR wise, or unless they own teh
collection agency, revenue wise either.

--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

"Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> news:20080213172217.236$Zd@newsreader.com...
> > "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> >> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> >> news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
> >> >
> >> > I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the
> >> > people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
> >>
> >> So, quit your bitching.
> >>
> >> --Tina
> >
> > The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection agencies
> > if they can't auto charge your credit card.
>
> So? If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child. I'll
> send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance fee.

Well I guess you don't mind running a business which doesn't care if it
irritates its customers without doing any extra step to alleviate it.
Yeah.. send a few emails is a major annoyance and headache. No wonder
people complain about sucky customer service. Looks like some business
owners promote it just to get some extra $. No regard to bad PR or their
reputation. Pretty short sighted.

Your doctor sends you reminders if you don't pay on time. I bet you will
not be happy of your doctor's office hands your account to a collection
agency after just 30 days. I know they can but why do they send you 30
day.. then 60 day.. then 90 day notices?

AND I am not talking about not paying your bill for a service ALREADY
provided. That's their right. 1and1's case is about failing to autocharge
your credit card for a FUTURE service which I haven't used yet. Then
mention this fact in the T&C. Tell the world that you'll do anything to get
your $6.99.

I ran a business where if a customer doesn't pay for FUTURE ongoing
service, I send out at least two gentle reminders. After that I suspend the
account. Then after ALL THAT, I close the account. I NEVER use collection
agencies and I don't customers like children.

What's your business name so I can avoid it? I want to avoid all companies
who happily send customers to collection agencies because they couldn't
auto charge credit cards to extend the service.

S.

nospam@nospam.nospam (Simon Nime) writes:

> "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> > "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> > news:20080213172217.236$Zd@newsreader.com...
> > > "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> > >> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> > >> news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
> > >> >
> > >> > I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the
> > >> > people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
> > >>
> > >> So, quit your bitching.
> > >>
> > >> --Tina
> > >
> > > The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection agencies
> > > if they can't auto charge your credit card.
> >
> > So? If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child. I'll
> > send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance fee.
>
> Well I guess you don't mind running a business which doesn't care if it
> irritates its customers without doing any extra step to alleviate
> it.

[Todd H, AffordableHost customer from days of yore bites tongue about
how to irritate customers. The answer involves incompetent Canadians
though.]

> What's your business name so I can avoid it? I want to avoid all companies
> who happily send customers to collection agencies because they couldn't
> auto charge credit cards to extend the service.

Look at her email address. She owns the joint and does a reasonably
good job of it by most accounts.


--
Todd H.
http://www.toddh.net/

comp@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote:
> nospam@nospam.nospam (Simon Nime) writes:
>
> > "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> > > "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> > > news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
> > > >
> > > > I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the
> > > > people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
> > >
> > > So, quit your bitching.
> > >
> > > --Tina
> >
> > The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection agencies
> > if they can't auto charge your credit card.
> >
> > My post was a warning to the public about their business practices.
> > What was the benefit of your stupid comment?
>
> In addition to making me laugh as well, she brought the merchant's
> viewpoint to it. If you dont' read terms and conditions, you lose
> a lot of entitlement to bitch.
>
> Lame that 1&1 is so quick to sell their debt to collections. Doesn't
> seem like a smart thing for them to do PR wise, or unless they own teh
> collection agency, revenue wise either.

Yes... I mentioned I didn't read their terms and conditions and that fact
was related to their auto renewal portion. It needs to mention that if they
fail to auto renew within 30 days, they will send your account to a
collection agency. That important fact is missing.

I think most people will figure that if a service provider can't renew your
account, they will disrupt the service or stop it. Am I correct in this
assumption?

Plus I don't understand what 1and1 is doing. I remember from someone's
past experience is that if your account is set to autorenewal and they
couldn't charge your card, they would renew it at their expense for a FULL
year and come after you after that (or during the year my guess now).
Looking at my domain name's expiration date, it expires next month. My
invoice is for January 2008 to January 2009. So what did 1and 1 do? Renew
it for 2 more months? Can a registrar do this.. can they renew for just a
few months?

Also when you log in to your account, there's no place to update your
credit card info.

They are celebrating their 20 years in business these days and I come to
conclude that they suck!

S.

comp@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote:
> nospam@nospam.nospam (Simon Nime) writes:
>
> > "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> > > "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> > > news:20080213172217.236$Zd@newsreader.com...
> > > > "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
> > > >> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
> > > >> news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of
> > > >> > the people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, quit your bitching.
> > > >>
> > > >> --Tina
> > > >
> > > > The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection
> > > > agencies if they can't auto charge your credit card.
> > >
> > > So? If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child.
> > > I'll send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance
> > > fee.
> >
> > Well I guess you don't mind running a business which doesn't care if it
> > irritates its customers without doing any extra step to alleviate
> > it.
>
> [Todd H, AffordableHost customer from days of yore bites tongue about
> how to irritate customers. The answer involves incompetent Canadians
> though.]
>
> > What's your business name so I can avoid it? I want to avoid all
> > companies who happily send customers to collection agencies because
> > they couldn't auto charge credit cards to extend the service.
>
> Look at her email address. She owns the joint and does a reasonably
> good job of it by most accounts.

"If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child. I'll
> > send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance fee."

Do you really want to do business with a business owner who just mentioned
the above? A child? Annoyance fee? Is this a business owner who cares about
her customers? Customers who are late in their payments are annoyance and
it's ok to screw with them and charge them? and she gets it wrong. I wasn't
talking about past service.. it's about future service.

I wonder if she discloses how much the annoyance fee is. I can't see it:
http://xxxxxxhost.com/tos.php

S.

Simon Nime wrote:
> comp@toddh.net (Todd H.) wrote:
>> nospam@nospam.nospam (Simon Nime) writes:
>>
>>> "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
>>>> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>>> news:20080213172217.236$Zd@newsreader.com...
>>>>> "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
>>>>>>> I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of
>>>>>>> the people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
>>>>>> So, quit your bitching.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --Tina
>>>>> The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection
>>>>> agencies if they can't auto charge your credit card.
>>>> So? If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child.
>>>> I'll send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance
>>>> fee.
>>> Well I guess you don't mind running a business which doesn't care if it
>>> irritates its customers without doing any extra step to alleviate
>>> it.
>> [Todd H, AffordableHost customer from days of yore bites tongue about
>> how to irritate customers. The answer involves incompetent Canadians
>> though.]
>>
>>> What's your business name so I can avoid it? I want to avoid all
>>> companies who happily send customers to collection agencies because
>>> they couldn't auto charge credit cards to extend the service.
>> Look at her email address. She owns the joint and does a reasonably
>> good job of it by most accounts.
>
> "If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child. I'll
>>> send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance fee."
>
> Do you really want to do business with a business owner who just mentioned
> the above? A child? Annoyance fee? Is this a business owner who cares about
> her customers? Customers who are late in their payments are annoyance and
> it's ok to screw with them and charge them? and she gets it wrong. I wasn't
> talking about past service.. it's about future service.
>
> I wonder if she discloses how much the annoyance fee is. I can't see it:
> http://xxxxxxhost.com/tos.php
>
> S.
>

Do I want to do business with a crybaby who doesn't pay his bills? No way.

--
==================
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Simon Nime wrote:

> "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
>> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:20080213172217.236$Zd@newsreader.com...
>> > "Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
>> >> "Simon Nime" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
>> >> news:20080213150541.448$8w@newsreader.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the
>> >> > people who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.

Then you have no reason to whine.

>> >> So, quit your bitching.
>> >>
>> >> --Tina
>> >
>> > The T&C doesn't mention anything about them using collection agencies
>> > if they can't auto charge your credit card.
>>
>> So? If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child. I'll
>> send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance fee.
>
> Well I guess you don't mind running a business which doesn't care if it
> irritates its customers without doing any extra step to alleviate it.

They're probably not too worried about irritating deadbeats.

<q>

I subscribed to many auto renewal services which I let lapse but no one
"forced" me to pay them or else I go to a collection agency.

</q>

Habitual deadbeats, either.


--
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Killing all posts from Google Groups
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Blinky: http://blinkynet.net

Simon Nime wrote:

>>>"Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:

>
> "If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child. I'll
>
>>>send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance fee."
>
>
> Do you really want to do business with a business owner who just mentioned
> the above? A child? Annoyance fee? Is this a business owner who cares about
> her customers? Customers who are late in their payments are annoyance and
> it's ok to screw with them and charge them? and she gets it wrong. I wasn't
> talking about past service.. it's about future service.
>
> I wonder if she discloses how much the annoyance fee is. I can't see it:
> http://xxxxxxhost.com/tos.php

Let me state up front that I am a former client of Tina's at her old
place of business and still haven't forgiven her for the Canadian train
wreck that ensued.

That said, I believe she's 100% right in what she said above. There is
no requirement to send "reminder notices" whether it's on past services
rendered or for prepayment of future services. You are sent the bill
which states it is due on such and such date. Once that date goes by and
you have not paid, you are in default, not her. She's completely within
her rights to terminate your account and/or submit you to a collection
agency.

Blame in this case is not proportionate. It lies squarely on the
shoulders of the client.

And yes she's correct about customers who are late in their payments are
an annoyance. That's true whether you own a hosting company, a florist
shop, or any other business.

On 2008-02-13, nully <null@null.null> wrote:
> Tina Peters wrote:
>> So? If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child.
>> I'll send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance
>> fee.
>>
>> --Tina
>
> small Heads Up! there for the poster a few weeks ago looking at
> hosting, when dear Tina offered herself as a decent sort of provider.
> Glad now that you went to someone with scruples rather than her? Yep,
> thought so... )

What a complete asshole. That applies to the other people who think that
Tina shouldn't be allowed to enforce payment terms, too.

If you don't want to pay, find a free web host. Don't sign up for a paid
service and then complain if you fail to pay and get turned over.

--
Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com
Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol

JackM wrote:
>
> Let me state up front that I am a former client of Tina's at her old
> place of business and still haven't forgiven her for the Canadian train
> wreck that ensued.

Does that expression connote some special variant, as opposed to other
kinds of train wrecks? Is it an expression I haven't heard of?

Mexican standoff
Chinese fire drill
French tickler
Canadian train wreck


--
John
I've seen *Canadian bacon*, and it wasn't that spectacular.

JackM <notreal@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Simon Nime wrote:
>
> >>>"Tina Peters" <tina@axishost.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > "If you don't pay me, I'm not going to warn you like a child. I'll
> >
> >>>send you to collections after 30 days and tack on an annoyance fee."
> >
> >
> > Do you really want to do business with a business owner who just
> > mentioned the above? A child? Annoyance fee? Is this a business owner
> > who cares about her customers? Customers who are late in their payments
> > are annoyance and it's ok to screw with them and charge them? and she
> > gets it wrong. I wasn't talking about past service.. it's about future
> > service.
> >
> > I wonder if she discloses how much the annoyance fee is. I can't see
> > it: http://xxxxxxhost.com/tos.php
>
> Let me state up front that I am a former client of Tina's at her old
> place of business and still haven't forgiven her for the Canadian train
> wreck that ensued.
>
> That said, I believe she's 100% right in what she said above. There is
> no requirement to send "reminder notices" whether it's on past services
> rendered or for prepayment of future services. You are sent the bill
> which states it is due on such and such date. Once that date goes by and
> you have not paid, you are in default, not her. She's completely within
> her rights to terminate your account and/or submit you to a collection
> agency.
>
> Blame in this case is not proportionate. It lies squarely on the
> shoulders of the client.
>
> And yes she's correct about customers who are late in their payments are
> an annoyance. That's true whether you own a hosting company, a florist
> shop, or any other business.

I understand what you're saying. It's right for services rendered but
sending a customer to a collection agency because they couldn't autocharge
for a renewal for a service which hasn't started is a bad business
practice. It implies you only care about making money and don't care about
people.

Maybe my email address is not valid anymore and I am not getting invoices.
Suspend the service so I know something happened and this way you "force"
me to contact you and then settle this amicably but giving me the shaft for
$6.99 is poor business practice.

Basically make some effort to reach the customer before making something
drastic. Otherwise you will leave a bitter taste in my mouth and I will not
do business with you anymore. Be courteous. it will pay back in loyal
customers. I hope business owners understand this. Not everything has to be
about money.

Again I am talking about future services when the company hasn't actually
lost money and the customer has ripped it off. if the company considers a
customer an annoyance because it couldn't make more money from the
customer, the company itself is an annoyance and should be booted.

I understand some do not agree with my opinion this but everyone is
entitled to their own.

S.

John Hosking wrote:

> JackM wrote:
>>
>> Let me state up front that I am a former client of Tina's at her old
>> place of business and still haven't forgiven her for the Canadian train
>> wreck that ensued.
>
> Does that expression connote some special variant, as opposed to other
> kinds of train wrecks? Is it an expression I haven't heard of?
>
> Mexican standoff
> Chinese fire drill
> French tickler
> Canadian train wreck

French leave
French letter
Dutch courage
Irish confetti
Dutch treat


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"John Hosking" <John@DELETE.Hosking.name.INVALID> wrote in message
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> JackM wrote:
>>
>> Let me state up front that I am a former client of Tina's at her old
>> place of business and still haven't forgiven her for the Canadian train
>> wreck that ensued.
>
> Does that expression connote some special variant, as opposed to other
> kinds of train wrecks? Is it an expression I haven't heard of?

About 3 years ago I sold a hosting company to a bunch of incompetent
Canadians. Several months worth of research into their reputation and
several cross-country (countries?) trips to meet them and I felt confident
that they could handle things. I was wrong. They completely trashed the
company. Some of the customers lost out and I lost several 10s of 1000s of
dollars as well.

--Tina

Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote:

> John Hosking wrote:

[..]

>> Mexican standoff
>> Chinese fire drill
>> French tickler
>> Canadian train wreck
>
> French leave
> French letter
> Dutch courage
> Irish confetti
> Dutch treat

How did this thread evolve into one on sexual positions?

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"John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9A43D81A84554castleamber@130.133.1.4...
> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote:
>
>> John Hosking wrote:
>
> [..]
>
>>> Mexican standoff
>>> Chinese fire drill
>>> French tickler
>>> Canadian train wreck
>>
>> French leave
>> French letter
>> Dutch courage
>> Irish confetti
>> Dutch treat
>
> How did this thread evolve into one on sexual positions?

Wait...what?!

--Tina

Tina Peters wrote:

>
> "John Bokma" <john@castleamber.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9A43D81A84554castleamber@130.133.1.4...
>> Blinky the Shark <no.spam@box.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> John Hosking wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>
>>>> Mexican standoff
>>>> Chinese fire drill
>>>> French tickler
>>>> Canadian train wreck
>>>
>>> French leave
>>> French letter
>>> Dutch courage
>>> Irish confetti
>>> Dutch treat
>>
>> How did this thread evolve into one on sexual positions?
>
> Wait...what?!

Well, there /are/ three positions there I haven't tried.


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On Feb 14, 7:05am, nos...@nospam.nospam (Simon Nime) wrote:
> 1 and 1 pissed me off because I found out they submitted me to a
> collection agency so now I am forced to pay the agency's fee and the
> renewal fee.
>
> I wasn't aware of the default auto renew feature. I am one of the people
> who doesn't read pages of terms and conditions.
>
> So if they are unable to autocharge your credit card and you do not pay or
> cancel within 30 days, they will happily give your account to a collection
> agency. I mean they do this on day 31.
>
> I did receive the invoice but no where in it they mentioned that if they
> don't get paid, they do the collection thing. Plus I haven't heard from the
> collection agency and no warnings that my account is overdue.
>
> This whole thing is annoying because a lousy unpaid $6.99 can potentially
> put a red mark on your credit report/history.
>
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