I am getting online orders for my service using what might look like stolen
credit cards. The pattern I see is that they are coming from the same class
A and B ip address. I also record the timestamp.

I want this person nailed so what should I do? Go to the police and give
them the information.. like the ip addresses and timestamps? I don't know
if they are the right authority to contact or they will do anything?

Or is this activity too common to report and not worth my time and effort?

John Stall

John stall wrote:
> I am getting online orders for my service using what might look like stolen
> credit cards. The pattern I see is that they are coming from the same class
> A and B ip address. I also record the timestamp.
>
> I want this person nailed so what should I do? Go to the police and give
> them the information.. like the ip addresses and timestamps? I don't know
> if they are the right authority to contact or they will do anything?
>
> Or is this activity too common to report and not worth my time and effort?
>
> John Stall
>

How do you know they are fraudulent? One guy might have found your site
and told his friends about it.

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Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> John stall wrote:
> > I am getting online orders for my service using what might look like
> > stolen credit cards. The pattern I see is that they are coming from the
> > same class A and B ip address. I also record the timestamp.
> >
> > I want this person nailed so what should I do? Go to the police and
> > give them the information.. like the ip addresses and timestamps? I
> > don't know if they are the right authority to contact or they will do
> > anything?
> >
> > Or is this activity too common to report and not worth my time and
> > effort?
> >
> > John Stall
> >
>
> How do you know they are fraudulent? One guy might have found your site
> and told his friends about it.

Because:

1- orders under the same credit card number
2- Does not reply to my emails
3- The person sends out spam
4- does not complain when I closed his earlier accounts
5- declined credit card transactions from the credit card processor from
what looks like other attempts from him
6- all email addresses are either
at Yahoo or Hotmail.

7- basically non consistent with regular order pattern

John stall wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> John stall wrote:
>>> I am getting online orders for my service using what might look like
>>> stolen credit cards. The pattern I see is that they are coming from the
>>> same class A and B ip address. I also record the timestamp.
>>>
>>> I want this person nailed so what should I do? Go to the police and
>>> give them the information.. like the ip addresses and timestamps? I
>>> don't know if they are the right authority to contact or they will do
>>> anything?
>>>
>>> Or is this activity too common to report and not worth my time and
>>> effort?
>>>
>>> John Stall
>>>
>> How do you know they are fraudulent? One guy might have found your site
>> and told his friends about it.
>
> Because:
>
> 1- orders under the same credit card number
> 2- Does not reply to my emails
> 3- The person sends out spam
> 4- does not complain when I closed his earlier accounts
> 5- declined credit card transactions from the credit card processor from
> what looks like other attempts from him
> 6- all email addresses are either
> at Yahoo or Hotmail.
>
> 7- basically non consistent with regular order pattern
>

OK, it's suspicious, I admit. But the only real thing you have is that
credit card transactions were declined. But there are reasons other
than a fraudulent card for that to happen.

Spammers buy things also, and a lot of people have Yahoo and Hotmail
accounts, for instance.

IOW, you've got suspicions, but nothing you can really tell the police
IS fraudulent.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> John stall wrote:
>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>> John stall wrote:
>>>> I am getting online orders for my service using what might look like
>>>> stolen credit cards. The pattern I see is that they are coming from the
>>>> same class A and B ip address. I also record the timestamp.
>>>>
>>>> I want this person nailed so what should I do? Go to the police and
>>>> give them the information.. like the ip addresses and timestamps? I
>>>> don't know if they are the right authority to contact or they will do
>>>> anything?
>>>>
>>>> Or is this activity too common to report and not worth my time and
>>>> effort?
>>>>
>>>> John Stall
>>>>
>>> How do you know they are fraudulent? One guy might have found your site
>>> and told his friends about it.
>>
>> Because:
>>
>> 1- orders under the same credit card number
>> 2- Does not reply to my emails
>> 3- The person sends out spam
>> 4- does not complain when I closed his earlier accounts
>> 5- declined credit card transactions from the credit card processor from
>> what looks like other attempts from him
>> 6- all email addresses are either
>> at Yahoo or Hotmail.
>>
>> 7- basically non consistent with regular order pattern
>>
>
> OK, it's suspicious, I admit. But the only real thing you have is that
> credit card transactions were declined. But there are reasons other
> than a fraudulent card for that to happen.
>
> Spammers buy things also, and a lot of people have Yahoo and Hotmail
> accounts, for instance.
>
> IOW, you've got suspicions, but nothing you can really tell the police
> IS fraudulent.
>

Do you think that he should investigate and determine if it's
fraudulent, or that he should take his suspicions to the authorities and
let them investigate?

Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> John stall wrote:
> > Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >> John stall wrote:
> >>> I am getting online orders for my service using what might look like
> >>> stolen credit cards. The pattern I see is that they are coming from
> >>> the same class A and B ip address. I also record the timestamp.
> >>>
> >>> I want this person nailed so what should I do? Go to the police and
> >>> give them the information.. like the ip addresses and timestamps? I
> >>> don't know if they are the right authority to contact or they will do
> >>> anything?
> >>>
> >>> Or is this activity too common to report and not worth my time and
> >>> effort?
> >>>
> >>> John Stall
> >>>
> >> How do you know they are fraudulent? One guy might have found your
> >> site and told his friends about it.
> >
> > Because:
> >
> > 1- orders under the same credit card number
> > 2- Does not reply to my emails
> > 3- The person sends out spam
> > 4- does not complain when I closed his earlier accounts
> > 5- declined credit card transactions from the credit card processor
> > from what looks like other attempts from him
> > 6- all email addresses are either
> > at Yahoo or Hotmail.
> >
> > 7- basically non consistent with regular order pattern
> >
>
> OK, it's suspicious, I admit. But the only real thing you have is that
> credit card transactions were declined. But there are reasons other
> than a fraudulent card for that to happen.
>
> Spammers buy things also, and a lot of people have Yahoo and Hotmail
> accounts, for instance.
>
> IOW, you've got suspicions, but nothing you can really tell the police
> IS fraudulent.


I have been is business for many years. I know a fraudulent order when I
see one. I am getting a few chargebacks lately.
The declined transactions are for the SAME credit card and that's happened
after a few successful orders which means the credit card owner reported
it.

I KNOW some people have Hotmail or Yahoo accounts. I am NOT selling
physical goods. I clearly said that these people use may service to send
out spam. This is a hosting service. Why would people order hosting if the
domain name never points to my servers or are never get registered and why
do they send mail out as soon as they order?


Why are you not addressing the issue instead of trying to prove I might be
wrong!? I KNOW I have fraudulent charges. Let's take it from there. I don't
want to spend more time on why I think they are fraudelent.

John Stall

Tony <nospam@example.com> wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > John stall wrote:
> >> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
> >>> John stall wrote:
> >>>> I am getting online orders for my service using what might look like
> >>>> stolen credit cards. The pattern I see is that they are coming from
> >>>> the same class A and B ip address. I also record the timestamp.
> >>>>
> >>>> I want this person nailed so what should I do? Go to the police and
> >>>> give them the information.. like the ip addresses and timestamps? I
> >>>> don't know if they are the right authority to contact or they will
> >>>> do anything?
> >>>>
> >>>> Or is this activity too common to report and not worth my time and
> >>>> effort?
> >>>>
> >>>> John Stall
> >>>>
> >>> How do you know they are fraudulent? One guy might have found your
> >>> site and told his friends about it.
> >>
> >> Because:
> >>
> >> 1- orders under the same credit card number
> >> 2- Does not reply to my emails
> >> 3- The person sends out spam
> >> 4- does not complain when I closed his earlier accounts
> >> 5- declined credit card transactions from the credit card processor
> >> from what looks like other attempts from him
> >> 6- all email addresses are either
> >> at Yahoo or Hotmail.
> >>
> >> 7- basically non consistent with regular order pattern
> >>
> >
> > OK, it's suspicious, I admit. But the only real thing you have is that
> > credit card transactions were declined. But there are reasons other
> > than a fraudulent card for that to happen.
> >
> > Spammers buy things also, and a lot of people have Yahoo and Hotmail
> > accounts, for instance.
> >
> > IOW, you've got suspicions, but nothing you can really tell the police
> > IS fraudulent.
> >
>
> Do you think that he should investigate and determine if it's
> fraudulent, or that he should take his suspicions to the authorities and
> let them investigate?


They are fraudulent. Period. I just want to know if I should bother
reporting this to anyone. My guess this is so common, authorities are
overwhelmed and other things to do.

Tony wrote:
> Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> John stall wrote:
>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> John stall wrote:
>>>>> I am getting online orders for my service using what might look like
>>>>> stolen credit cards. The pattern I see is that they are coming from
>>>>> the
>>>>> same class A and B ip address. I also record the timestamp.
>>>>>
>>>>> I want this person nailed so what should I do? Go to the police and
>>>>> give them the information.. like the ip addresses and timestamps? I
>>>>> don't know if they are the right authority to contact or they will do
>>>>> anything?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or is this activity too common to report and not worth my time and
>>>>> effort?
>>>>>
>>>>> John Stall
>>>>>
>>>> How do you know they are fraudulent? One guy might have found your
>>>> site
>>>> and told his friends about it.
>>>
>>> Because:
>>>
>>> 1- orders under the same credit card number
>>> 2- Does not reply to my emails
>>> 3- The person sends out spam
>>> 4- does not complain when I closed his earlier accounts
>>> 5- declined credit card transactions from the credit card processor from
>>> what looks like other attempts from him
>>> 6- all email addresses are either
>>> at Yahoo or Hotmail.
>>>
>>> 7- basically non consistent with regular order pattern
>>>
>>
>> OK, it's suspicious, I admit. But the only real thing you have is
>> that credit card transactions were declined. But there are reasons
>> other than a fraudulent card for that to happen.
>>
>> Spammers buy things also, and a lot of people have Yahoo and Hotmail
>> accounts, for instance.
>>
>> IOW, you've got suspicions, but nothing you can really tell the police
>> IS fraudulent.
>>
>
> Do you think that he should investigate and determine if it's
> fraudulent, or that he should take his suspicions to the authorities and
> let them investigate?
>

With what he has, there is nothing for the authorities to investigate.
They aren't going to spend any time following up on refused credit card
charges.

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