Our web programming system Run BASIC will be released this weekend.
For those who haven't seen it check out the site at http://www.runbasic.com
and look at the different tabs and the video link on the home page.

We also have a Run BASIC forum up which is already loaded up with
interesting and useful information. http://runbasic.proboards82.com

See you there!

-Carl Gundel
http://www.libertybasic.com

carlg@libertybasic.com wrote:
> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.

On Jan 1, 3:56pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
> > Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.- Hide quoted text -

I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC is
SPAM? How?

-Carl Gundel
http://www.runbasic.com

carlg@libertybasic.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 3:56 pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
>>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but
>>> spammers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC is
> SPAM? How?
>
Did you read the FAQ of alt.www.webmaster?

"carlg@libertybasic.com" <carlg@libertybasic.com> wrote:

>On Jan 1, 3:56=A0pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
>> > Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.- Hid=
>e quoted text -
>
>I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC is
>SPAM? How?
>

Because Viper says so. Just ignore him, he's a jerk.

X

carlg@libertybasic.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 3:56 pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
>>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC is
> SPAM? How?
>
> -Carl Gundel
> http://www.runbasic.com
>

If you would have bothered to check the FAQ's of the newsgroups you
posted this in, you would find that ads are not welcome.

And it wasn't an announcement. It was an ad for your product.

--
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Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Excellent job.
Basic in stead of CGI.
Basic in stead of HTML
Basic in stead of PHP
So just mix CGI, HTML,PHP in one program.
And run your LAN server at home.

Gordon

<carlg@libertybasic.com> schreef in bericht
news:06a81e72-040d-4a37-b849-53e85f70c6eb@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...
> Our web programming system Run BASIC will be released this weekend.
> For those who haven't seen it check out the site at
> http://www.runbasic.com
> and look at the different tabs and the video link on the home page.
>
> We also have a Run BASIC forum up which is already loaded up with
> interesting and useful information. http://runbasic.proboards82.com
>
> See you there!
>
> -Carl Gundel
> http://www.libertybasic.com

On Jan 2, 5:55 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
> > On Jan 1, 3:56 pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
> >>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC is
> > SPAM? How?
>
> > -Carl Gundel
> >http://www.runbasic.com
>
> If you would have bothered to check the FAQ's of the newsgroups you
> posted this in, you would find that ads are not welcome.
>
> And it wasn't an announcement. It was an ad for your product.

I beg to differ.

Some months ago I posted on alt.www.webmaster that we were working on
something of interest to web developers. This was simply a quick
followup to let people know it was finally being released. I didn't
receive such a negative reception before so I have pretty good reason
to think people were interested. I'm certain that some people are.

There's a lot of real SPAM getting posted every day, but all I did was
post web related information in a web related newsgroup. Do a search
and see if I posted this all over the usenet. I didn't.

Have a nice day.

-Carl

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 10:55:12 GMT, Jerry Stuckle wrote:

> carlg@libertybasic.com wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 3:56 pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
>>>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but
>>>> spammers.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC
>> is SPAM? How?
>>
>> -Carl Gundel
>> http://www.runbasic.com
>
> If you would have bothered to check the FAQ's of the newsgroups you
> posted this in, you would find that ads are not welcome.
>
> And it wasn't an announcement. It was an ad for your product.

IMHO, the difference between spam and Carl's product announcements is
that Mr. Gundel actively participates in the froups he posts in -- the
BASIC ones, anyways, when one of his products is the subject -- and his
products are generally well-received in the BASIC community. His
announcements are not considered spam by most, in our corner of the
world anyway.

I can understand this perhaps being unwelcome in a.w.w, but in the BASIC
groups, some people have been waiting for this.

--
I seek the questions that form the best images.

In article <f1110000-985e-4222-81d0-527228f5d901@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, "carlg@libertybasic.com" <carlg@libertybasic.com> wrote:
>On Jan 2, 5:55 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
>> > On Jan 1, 3:56 pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
>> >>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.- Hide
> quoted text -
>>
>> > I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC is
>> > SPAM? How?
>>
>> > -Carl Gundel
>> >http://www.runbasic.com
>>
>> If you would have bothered to check the FAQ's of the newsgroups you
>> posted this in, you would find that ads are not welcome.
>>
>> And it wasn't an announcement. It was an ad for your product.
>
>I beg to differ.
>
>Some months ago I posted on alt.www.webmaster that we were working on
>something of interest to web developers. This was simply a quick
>followup to let people know it was finally being released. I didn't
>receive such a negative reception before so I have pretty good reason
>to think people were interested. I'm certain that some people are.
>
>There's a lot of real SPAM getting posted every day, but all I did was
>post web related information in a web related newsgroup. Do a search
>and see if I posted this all over the usenet. I didn't.

Don't worry about it mate. The losers who've never contributed
anything to society are just envious of those who have. It's a
widespread human failing.

Cheers, Phred.

--
ppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID

ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com (Phred) wrote:

> Don't worry about it mate. The losers who've never contributed
> anything to society are just envious of those who have. It's a
> widespread human failing.

And so is thinking one can get away with something because one thinks
(s)he has contributed. :-D.

--
John Bokma http://johnbokma.com/

Viper doesn't spam.
He sent 6 message in 7 days. He has nothing new to say.
He is a top 10 message poster!

Gordon


"Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:69WdnT8XxZ1sNefanZ2dnUVZ_tmhnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> carlg@libertybasic.com wrote:
>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.
>
>

On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:56:17 -0500, Viper wrote:

> carlg@libertybasic.com wrote:
>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.

Without taking a position on whether the original poster was correct or
not, your response is both illogical and childish.

If you want to say they suck because they're scummy spammers then that
would be a valid opinion.

If you want to say their web programming system sucks because you've
examined it and there are solid technical reasons why then that's valid
too.

But, it does not logically follow that their web programming system sucks
because they are spammers. It could be very good, and they can still be
scummy spammers. Try applying critical reasoning skills to future posts.


--
George Sexton
MH Software, Inc. - Home of Connect Daily Web Calendar
http://www.mhsoftware.com/connectdaily.htm

George L. Sexton scribed:

>>On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 15:56:17 -0500, Viper wrote:
>>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.
>
>Try applying critical reasoning skills to future posts.

That's like asking an ant to describe Einstein's theories.
--
Ed Jay (remove 'M' to respond by email)

On Jan 1, 10:16 am, "ca...@libertybasic.com" <ca...@libertybasic.com>
wrote:
> Our web programming system Run BASIC will be released this weekend.
> For those who haven't seen it check out the site athttp://www.runbasic.com
> and look at the different tabs and the video link on the home page.
>
> We also have a Run BASIC forum up which is already loaded up with
> interesting and useful information. http://runbasic.proboards82.com
>
> See you there!
>
> -Carl Gundelhttp://www.libertybasic.com

Out of curiosity, what problem were you trying to address or improve
upon over and above what the standard PHP, PERL, ASP, etc. can do? It
seems like there's plenty of languages out there that do everything
Run BASIC does and more.

--
Alex
http://www.blastoffgames.com Video Game Price Comparison Engine

"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:W6-dnVycWPQj8ObanZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> carlg@libertybasic.com wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 3:56 pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
>>>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but spammers.-
>>>> Hide quoted text -
>>
>> I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC is
>> SPAM? How?
>>
>> -Carl Gundel
>> http://www.runbasic.com
>>
>
> If you would have bothered to check the FAQ's of the newsgroups you posted
> this in, you would find that ads are not welcome.
>
> And it wasn't an announcement. It was an ad for your product.
>
> --
> ==================
> Remove the "x" from my email address
> Jerry Stuckle
> JDS Computer Training Corp.
> jstucklex@attglobal.net
> ==================
>

Actually, it wasn't an ad for a product. From what I can see of the guy's
RunBasic website, it's an informational site where webmasters can AT NO COST
create Basic apps using Carl's Liberty Basic. If you want to buy Liberty
Basic, you've go to click to a separate site, and the RunBasic site includes
nothing in the way of a sales pitch. It just lets you type in code and
generate a script that will run on a website without Basic installed. If
this is advertising, I hope Carl is a better programmer than he is an ad
guy.

Alex

On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 00:25:22 -0500, "Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote:

>carlg@libertybasic.com wrote:
>> On Jan 1, 3:56 pm, "Viper" <ven...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ca...@libertybasic.com wrote:
>>>> Our web programming system sucks since we are nothing but
>>>> spammers.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> I beg your pardon? An announcement about web programming in BASIC is
>> SPAM? How?
>>
>Did you read the FAQ of alt.www.webmaster?
>
No. Because the alleged 'FAQ' is nothing but one persons
interpretation of how he thinks it should be, rather than what usenet
convention dictates.

George L. Sexton wrote:
> But, it does not logically follow that their web programming system
> sucks because they are spammers. It could be very good, and they can
> still be scummy spammers. Try applying critical reasoning skills to
> future posts.

And I bet you are one of the people that buys stuff spammers spam for.
Do you also answer 419 emails?

alexcombs1@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 10:16 am, "ca...@libertybasic.com" <ca...@libertybasic.com>
> wrote:
>> Our web programming system Run BASIC will be released this weekend.
>> For those who haven't seen it check out the site
>> athttp://www.runbasic.com and look at the different tabs and the
>> video link on the home page.
>>
>> We also have a Run BASIC forum up which is already loaded up with
>> interesting and useful information. http://runbasic.proboards82.com
>>
>> See you there!
>>
>> -Carl Gundelhttp://www.libertybasic.com
>
> Out of curiosity, what problem were you trying to address or improve
> upon over and above what the standard PHP, PERL, ASP, etc. can do? It
> seems like there's plenty of languages out there that do everything
> Run BASIC does and more.

He doesnt make money off the better ones.

alexcombs1@gmail.com wrote:

> Out of curiosity, what problem were you trying to address or improve
> upon over and above what the standard PHP, PERL,

It's Perl, not PERL (it's not an acronym).

SCNR.

--
John Bokma http://johnbokma.com/

Shit Trails wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:12:58 -0500, "Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote:
>> He doesnt make money off the better ones.
>>
>
No you fuck off Shit Trails.

On Jan 2, 5:50pm, alexcom...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 10:16 am, "ca...@libertybasic.com" <ca...@libertybasic.com>
> wrote:
> > Our web programming system Run BASIC will be released this weekend.
> > For those who haven't seen it check out the site athttp://www.runbasic.com
> > and look at the different tabs and the video link on the home page.
>
> > We also have a Run BASIC forum up which is already loaded up with
> > interesting and useful information. http://runbasic.proboards82.com
>
> Out of curiosity, what problem were you trying to address or improve
> upon over and above what the standard PHP, PERL, ASP, etc. can do? It
> seems like there's plenty of languages out there that do everything
> Run BASIC does and more.

PHP, Perl, ASP, etc. do not do everything Run BASIC does. These
things are powerful but they're only pieces of a solution that cannot
do anything by themselves. Run BASIC is an all-in-one web appserver.
You don't need anything else to get started.

What Run BASIC is designed to do very well is let the programmer focus
on writing a program without being burdened with needing to know about
Apache, CGI, sessions, state management between pages, administering a
database, etc. All that stuff is managed for you by Run BASIC. So by
using a procedural programming model and some OO-style techniques you
can create an interactive web app in a way very similar to desktop app
programming. There are built in objects to deal with XML parsing,
database access, widgets, drawing graphics, etc. You don't deal with
web pages in your coding model. Without a lot of code and in a short
time you can create something useful. We wouldn't have bothered to
develop RB if it was just a "me too" web system.

You could argue that RB isn't powerful enough for commercial work.
That depends, but it isn't really meant for that. Run BASIC aims to
bring web programming to everyone else, just like a dialect of BASIC
should. It is intended for personal projects and internal systems.
I'm sure people will use it for many, many things that I can't
imagine.

Did you watch the screencast on the home page? That should give you a
pretty good sense of it. Probably we need a more comprehensive
walkthrough, or maybe just a few more screencasts.

Thanks for asking.

-Carl Gundel
http://www.runbasic.com

Happy Trails wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:12:58 -0500, "Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote:
>> He doesnt make money off the better ones.
>>
>
> Wiper, you are obviously in an obnoxious minority here, so why don't
> you just fuck off and ignore the quarterly posts he makes of this
> nature if you are not interested in the topic.
>
> Spammers spam all the time: Carl posts useful info when he has it to
> share. If the only criticism you can make of his efforts is to try to
> label his posts as spam, you really don't have much between your ears,
> do you?
>
>

Maybe to the BASIC newsgroups. But not to a.w.w.

--
==================
Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle
JDS Computer Training Corp.
jstucklex@attglobal.net
==================

Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote:

> Happy Trails wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:12:58 -0500, "Viper" <venomx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> He doesnt make money off the better ones.
>>>
>>
>> Wiper, you are obviously in an obnoxious minority here, so why don't
>> you just fuck off and ignore the quarterly posts he makes of this
>> nature if you are not interested in the topic.
>>
>> Spammers spam all the time: Carl posts useful info when he has it to
>> share. If the only criticism you can make of his efforts is to try to
>> label his posts as spam, you really don't have much between your ears,
>> do you?
>>
>>
>
> Maybe to the BASIC newsgroups. But not to a.w.w.

Ditto. A cross post like this was just not done.

(aww removed from from fup)

--
John Bokma http://johnbokma.com/

On 2008-01-03, John Bokma <john@castleamber.com> wrote:
> alexcombs1@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity, what problem were you trying to address or improve
>> upon over and above what the standard PHP, PERL,
>
> It's Perl, not PERL (it's not an acronym).

I thought it was supposed to stand for "Practical Extraction and Report
Language".

Either that or "Perversely Eccentric and Ridiculous Line-noise".