I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in
these groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.

Any suggestions?

Mark
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On Oct 18, 7:20 am, Mark Goodge <use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
wrote:
> I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in
> these groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
> I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
> as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
> than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.
>
> Any suggestions?
>

Could you be a little more specific about what flexibility you
require?

Although Wordpress may be just be a simple blogging tool out-of-the-
box, there are almost endless plug-in modules that work with
wordpress: galleries, forums, file managers, etc.

Drupal is a very popular CMS, but probably even more difficult to
manage than joomla or mambo.

Mark Goodge wrote:
>
> I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
> I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
> as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
> than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.

CMS Made Simple might be what you're looking for.
http://www.cmsmadesimple.org/

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walterbyrd wrote:
> On Oct 18, 7:20 am, Mark Goodge <use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in
>> these groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
>> I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
>> as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
>> than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>
> Could you be a little more specific about what flexibility you
> require?

OK, here are some specific requirements:

1. Ability to have multiple users with access to certain sections of the
site (eg, Fred can edit the marketing page but not the contact page,
Jenny can edit the contact page but not marketing, Dave can edit both of
them but can't change the overall settings of the site, Pete has full
admin acess to everything).

2. Unrestricted hierarchy of pages (that is, there's no limit to how
deep or wide the navigation tree can be).

3. Availability of plugins or modules for common tasks such as a diary
page, forum and image gallery).

4. A template system based on PHP/HTML/CSS (ie, no requirement for
Smarty or any other templating system beyond normal web design tools).

5. Runs on a typical LAMP environment without needing shell access.

Does that narrow it down?

Mark
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"Mark Goodge" <usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote in message
news:47175d95$1@server1.good-stuff.co.uk...
>I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in these
>groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site I'm
>building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not as
>complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo,

Both of those are fine but regularly exploited so I would avoid them unless
you are in a position to keep updating them with the latest versions.

In general CMS's are only labour saving on very large sites.
With small sites the amount of security updating can be more than its worth
(based on our customers experiences of using these systems).


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Mark Goodge wrote:
> walterbyrd wrote:

> OK, here are some specific requirements:
>
> 1. Ability to have multiple users with access to certain sections of the
> site (eg, Fred can edit the marketing page but not the contact page,
> Jenny can edit the contact page but not marketing, Dave can edit both of
> them but can't change the overall settings of the site, Pete has full
> admin acess to everything).
>
> 2. Unrestricted hierarchy of pages (that is, there's no limit to how
> deep or wide the navigation tree can be).
>
> 3. Availability of plugins or modules for common tasks such as a diary
> page, forum and image gallery).
>
> 4. A template system based on PHP/HTML/CSS (ie, no requirement for
> Smarty or any other templating system beyond normal web design tools).
>
> 5. Runs on a typical LAMP environment without needing shell access.
>
> Does that narrow it down?
>
> Mark


Despite your reservations with WP, I'd still go that route. It is VERY
easy to extend and add lots of powerful CMS capabilities. Plus, it's
very very easy to stick together. We've used it for a lot of clients
over the years.

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On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:09:12 +0100, Mark Goodge
<usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:

>walterbyrd wrote:
>> On Oct 18, 7:20 am, Mark Goodge <use...@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in
>>> these groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
>>> I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
>>> as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
>>> than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>
>> Could you be a little more specific about what flexibility you
>> require?
>
>OK, here are some specific requirements:
>
>1. Ability to have multiple users with access to certain sections of the
>site (eg, Fred can edit the marketing page but not the contact page,
>Jenny can edit the contact page but not marketing, Dave can edit both of
>them but can't change the overall settings of the site, Pete has full
>admin acess to everything).
>
>2. Unrestricted hierarchy of pages (that is, there's no limit to how
>deep or wide the navigation tree can be).
>
>3. Availability of plugins or modules for common tasks such as a diary
>page, forum and image gallery).
>
>4. A template system based on PHP/HTML/CSS (ie, no requirement for
>Smarty or any other templating system beyond normal web design tools).
>
>5. Runs on a typical LAMP environment without needing shell access.
>
>Does that narrow it down?
>
>Mark

www.websitebaker.com does it all, and is very easy and user
(webdesigner) friendly.


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In article <47175d95$1@server1.good-stuff.co.uk>, usenet@listmail.good-
stuff.co.uk says...
> I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in
> these groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
> I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
> as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
> than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Mark
>

If you cannot handle Joomla, I think your local charity has asked the
wrong guy to set up a site.

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:31:04 +1000, BernardZ put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In article <47175d95$1@server1.good-stuff.co.uk>, usenet@listmail.good-
>stuff.co.uk says...
>> I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in
>> these groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
>> I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
>> as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
>> than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
>If you cannot handle Joomla, I think your local charity has asked the
>wrong guy to set up a site.

I can handle Joomla. I've set up Joomla before on other sites. But
Joomla isn't that user-friendly for the site administrator.

Mark
--
Blog: http://Mark.Goodge.co.uk Photos: http://www.goodge.co.uk
"I'm so tired of acting tough"

In article <meulh3dg7dnpgo4fegsmdlg7ecel5gdqjk@news.markshous e.net>,
usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk says...
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:31:04 +1000, BernardZ put finger to keyboard
> and typed:
>
> >In article <47175d95$1@server1.good-stuff.co.uk>, usenet@listmail.good-
> >stuff.co.uk says...
> >> I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in
> >> these groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
> >> I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
> >> as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
> >> than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >

(a)
> >If you cannot handle Joomla, I think your local charity has asked the
> >wrong guy to set up a site.
>
> I can handle Joomla. I've set up Joomla before on other sites. But
> Joomla isn't that user-friendly for the site administrator.
>
> Mark
>

You are the site administrator and so it seems to me that (a) is true

On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:21:13 +1000, BernardZ put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>In article <meulh3dg7dnpgo4fegsmdlg7ecel5gdqjk@news.markshous e.net>,
>usenet@listmail.good-stuff.co.uk says...
>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 10:31:04 +1000, BernardZ put finger to keyboard
>> and typed:
>>
>> >In article <47175d95$1@server1.good-stuff.co.uk>, usenet@listmail.good-
>> >stuff.co.uk says...
>> >> I know this is probably a question that's been rehashed many times in
>> >> these groups, but I'm after recommendations for a CMS to use on a site
>> >> I'm building for a local charity. Basically, I want something that's not
>> >> as complex to administer as Joomla or Mambo, but with more flexibility
>> >> than a simple blogging tool such as Wordpress offers.
>> >>
>> >> Any suggestions?
>
>(a)
>> >If you cannot handle Joomla, I think your local charity has asked the
>> >wrong guy to set up a site.
>>
>> I can handle Joomla. I've set up Joomla before on other sites. But
>> Joomla isn't that user-friendly for the site administrator.
>>
>
>You are the site administrator and so it seems to me that (a) is true

No, I'm not. I'm the web author. I'm building a site for a local
charity. It will need some kind of CMS, because they will need to be
able to add their own content and administer it after I've finished
the initial setup and adding the stuff that I'm writing for the site.
They can't afford to pay for a commercial CMS, or to have one
custom-built, so the site will be based on an Open Source CMS. And it
needs to be one that they will have no problem administering on their
own, without my continued support. Hence my question.

Mark
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Blog: http://Mark.Goodge.co.uk Photos: http://www.goodge.co.uk
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Jurgen Nijhuis <nospam@nospam.nl> wrote:

> >OK, here are some specific requirements:
> >
> >1. Ability to have multiple users with access to certain sections of the
> >site (eg, Fred can edit the marketing page but not the contact page,
> >Jenny can edit the contact page but not marketing, Dave can edit both of
> >them but can't change the overall settings of the site, Pete has full
> >admin acess to everything).
> >
> >2. Unrestricted hierarchy of pages (that is, there's no limit to how
> >deep or wide the navigation tree can be).
> >
> >3. Availability of plugins or modules for common tasks such as a diary
> >page, forum and image gallery).
> >
> >4. A template system based on PHP/HTML/CSS (ie, no requirement for
> >Smarty or any other templating system beyond normal web design tools).
> >
> >5. Runs on a typical LAMP environment without needing shell access.
> >
> >Does that narrow it down?
>
> www.websitebaker.com does it all, and is very easy and user
> (webdesigner) friendly.

I can recommend WebsiteBaker too.

Daniele

BernardZ <bernardZ@BluesystemNospam.com> wrote:

> > >If you cannot handle Joomla, I think your local charity has asked the
> > >wrong guy to set up a site.
> >
> > I can handle Joomla. I've set up Joomla before on other sites. But
> > Joomla isn't that user-friendly for the site administrator.
>
> You are the site administrator and so it seems to me that (a) is true

Joomla isn't that user-friendly for administrators or developers. It's
powerful and flexible, but compared to a lot of other systems it needs a
lot more work to get started with and to customise.

This is nothing to do with some silly macho notion of being able to
"handle" it.

Daniele

Not sure whether it is important to the OP but Websitebaker needs a
server that doesn't have PHP running in Safe Mode (mine is so I can't
look at using it)

Steve

D.M. Procida wrote:

> I can recommend WebsiteBaker too.
>
> Daniele

On Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:57:05 +0200, Steve Y <steveremove@wanadoo.fr>
wrote:

Good point. Although there are workarounds posted in the WB forum,
none of them seem to work 100% correctly. Luckily most providers offer
safe_mode=off (standard or on request).

But you can always try another host for your WB installation. There
are many very cheap ones, and even ones that offer 30 days free trial
periods. Enough time to try out the cms.

>Not sure whether it is important to the OP but Websitebaker needs a
>server that doesn't have PHP running in Safe Mode (mine is so I can't
>look at using it)
>
>Steve
>
>D.M. Procida wrote:
>
>> I can recommend WebsiteBaker too.
>>
>> Daniele


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