I had a first opportunity to view my site using IE7 under Vista. It was
atrocious! Could someone with the same system look at
<http://tinyurl.com/2xad9s> and tell me what they see. If it's the same as
what I saw today, it will be easy to describe as 'distorted.' Thanks,
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"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
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>I had a first opportunity to view my site using IE7 under Vista. It was
> atrocious! Could someone with the same system look at
> <http://tinyurl.com/2xad9s> and tell me what they see. If it's the same as
> what I saw today, it will be easy to describe as 'distorted.' Thanks,

No worse than with any other browser with your font size ignored or notched
up a couple of stops.

Hint: pt is for print, not screen and 10.5 of them is not enough for me. I
immediately upped *my* font size (FF) and the page fell apart.

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"rf" <rf@invalid.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
> news:80vje39258gh5u1em91sscd0aid8ausb0j@4ax.com...
>>I had a first opportunity to view my site using IE7 under Vista. It was
>> atrocious! Could someone with the same system look at
>> <http://tinyurl.com/2xad9s> and tell me what they see. If it's the same
>> as
>> what I saw today, it will be easy to describe as 'distorted.' Thanks,
>
> No worse than with any other browser with your font size ignored or
> notched up a couple of stops.
>
> Hint: pt is for print, not screen and 10.5 of them is not enough for me. I
> immediately upped *my* font size (FF) and the page fell apart.

Forgot to add that the real problem for the "distortion" is that you are
trying to fit a totally variable[1] block of text into a fixed height (25px)
box. Won't happen.

[1] It's variable because of your viewers screen DPI, (not resolution), the
font in use and theie chosen font size (not necessarily yours).

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rf scribed:

>
>"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
>news:80vje39258gh5u1em91sscd0aid8ausb0j@4ax.com.. .
>>I had a first opportunity to view my site using IE7 under Vista. It was
>> atrocious! Could someone with the same system look at
>> <http://tinyurl.com/2xad9s> and tell me what they see. If it's the same as
>> what I saw today, it will be easy to describe as 'distorted.' Thanks,
>
>No worse than with any other browser with your font size ignored or notched
>up a couple of stops.
>
>Hint: pt is for print, not screen and 10.5 of them is not enough for me. I
>immediately upped *my* font size (FF) and the page fell apart.

You're correct, of course.

I'm able to duplicate your result in FF, but not in IE6 or Opera 9.23. But,
what you see in FF is what I saw in IE7.
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Ed Jay wrote:
> rf scribed:
>
>>
>>"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
>>news:80vje39258gh5u1em91sscd0aid8ausb0j@4ax.com. ..
>>>I had a first opportunity to view my site using IE7 under Vista. It was
>>> atrocious! Could someone with the same system look at
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/2xad9s> and tell me what they see. If it's the same as
>>> what I saw today, it will be easy to describe as 'distorted.' Thanks,
>>
>>No worse than with any other browser with your font size ignored or notched
>>up a couple of stops.
>>
>>Hint: pt is for print, not screen and 10.5 of them is not enough for me. I
>>immediately upped *my* font size (FF) and the page fell apart.
>
> You're correct, of course.
>
> I'm able to duplicate your result in FF, but not in IE6 or Opera 9.23. But,
> what you see in FF is what I saw in IE7.

Here's Opera 9.10 with my normal settings:

http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/breast_opera.jpg

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"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
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> rf scribed:
>
>>
>>"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
>>news:80vje39258gh5u1em91sscd0aid8ausb0j@4ax.com. ..
>>>I had a first opportunity to view my site using IE7 under Vista. It was
>>> atrocious! Could someone with the same system look at
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/2xad9s> and tell me what they see. If it's the same
>>> as
>>> what I saw today, it will be easy to describe as 'distorted.' Thanks,
>>
>>No worse than with any other browser with your font size ignored or
>>notched
>>up a couple of stops.
>>
>>Hint: pt is for print, not screen and 10.5 of them is not enough for me. I
>>immediately upped *my* font size (FF) and the page fell apart.
>
> You're correct, of course.
>
> I'm able to duplicate your result in FF, but not in IE6 or Opera 9.23.
> But,
> what you see in FF is what I saw in IE7.

Not what I see in an out of the box IE7, which will not resize with font
size specified in px or pt. You must have viewed it in an IE7 with "ignore
font sizes specified in webpages" turned on. When I turn that on I see
exactly what I see in FF. BTW I also usually have a minimum font size
specified in FF so the problem was immediately apparent.

--
Richard.

Blinky the Shark scribed:

>Ed Jay wrote:
>> rf scribed:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
>>>news:80vje39258gh5u1em91sscd0aid8ausb0j@4ax.com ...
>>>>I had a first opportunity to view my site using IE7 under Vista. It was
>>>> atrocious! Could someone with the same system look at
>>>> <http://tinyurl.com/2xad9s> and tell me what they see. If it's the same as
>>>> what I saw today, it will be easy to describe as 'distorted.' Thanks,
>>>
>>>No worse than with any other browser with your font size ignored or notched
>>>up a couple of stops.
>>>
>>>Hint: pt is for print, not screen and 10.5 of them is not enough for me. I
>>>immediately upped *my* font size (FF) and the page fell apart.
>>
>> You're correct, of course.
>>
>> I'm able to duplicate your result in FF, but not in IE6 or Opera 9.23. But,
>> what you see in FF is what I saw in IE7.
>
>Here's Opera 9.10 with my normal settings:
>
>http://blinkynet.net/stuff/comp/breast_opera.jpg

In 9.23 I'm only seeing a horizontal scroll bar when I increase font size.
No 'foldover.'
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rf scribed:

>
>"rf" <rf@invalid.com> wrote in message
>news:wlnGi.336$9r.19@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Ed Jay" <edMbj@aes-intl.com> wrote in message
>> news:80vje39258gh5u1em91sscd0aid8ausb0j@4ax.com...
>>>I had a first opportunity to view my site using IE7 under Vista. It was
>>> atrocious! Could someone with the same system look at
>>> <http://tinyurl.com/2xad9s> and tell me what they see. If it's the same
>>> as
>>> what I saw today, it will be easy to describe as 'distorted.' Thanks,
>>
>> No worse than with any other browser with your font size ignored or
>> notched up a couple of stops.
>>
>> Hint: pt is for print, not screen and 10.5 of them is not enough for me. I
>> immediately upped *my* font size (FF) and the page fell apart.
>
>Forgot to add that the real problem for the "distortion" is that you are
>trying to fit a totally variable[1] block of text into a fixed height (25px)
>box. Won't happen.
>
>[1] It's variable because of your viewers screen DPI, (not resolution), the
>font in use and theie chosen font size (not necessarily yours).

Thanks. I understand the error of my ways and will quickly move to resolve
the issue.

I designed the site to be viewed with a 1024 X 768 browser window on a 20+
inch LCD at 1280 X 1024. I neglected to anticipate the user changing font
size. Thanks, again.
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Ed Jay wrote:

> Thanks. I understand the error of my ways and will quickly move to resolve
> the issue.

Is JavaScript actually required to submit this form? If so, kiss ~10%
of your visitors goodbye. (Hopefully, you are doing server-side
validation.)

Your pre-filled inputs are annoying. People who move from field to field
with the mouse - those who don't know how to use the Tab key - will have
to delete your little 'instructions'.

--
-bts
-Motorcycles defy gravity; cars just suck

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

> Your pre-filled inputs are annoying. People who move from field to field
> with the mouse - those who don't know how to use the Tab key - will have
> to delete your little 'instructions'.

Is that the same thing as the any key?

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Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:

> Your pre-filled inputs are annoying. People who move from field to field
> with the mouse - those who don't know how to use the Tab key - will have
> to delete your little 'instructions'.

Or who use the mouse simply because pointing and clicking is more
intuitive than tabbing.

On Sep 14, 2:15 pm, Scott Bryce <sbr...@scottbryce.com> wrote:
> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
> > Your pre-filled inputs are annoying. People who move from field to field
> > with the mouse - those who don't know how to use the Tab key - will have
> > to delete your little 'instructions'.
>
> Or who use the mouse simply because pointing and clicking is more
> intuitive than tabbing.

Some people do either, depending on what they are doing. For example,
I quite often have a graphic pen in my hand rather than a mouse, so
it's easier for me to tab. Other times when maybe I'm doing more
general stuff, I'll be using a mouse. So, don't assume too much about
your users.

Beauregard T. Shagnasty scribed:

>Ed Jay wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I understand the error of my ways and will quickly move to resolve
>> the issue.
>
>Is JavaScript actually required to submit this form? If so, kiss ~10%
>of your visitors goodbye. (Hopefully, you are doing server-side
>validation.)

It's a dedicated application by subscription. All my users will have
and js enabled.
>
>Your pre-filled inputs are annoying. People who move from field to field
>with the mouse - those who don't know how to use the Tab key - will have
>to delete your little 'instructions'.

Thanks for your observation.
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Ed Jay wrote on 9/14/2007 2:17 AM:

> the issue.
>
> I designed the site to be viewed with a 1024 X 768 browser window on a 20+
> inch LCD at 1280 X 1024. I neglected to anticipate the user changing font
> size. Thanks, again.

You should get rid of the fixed window size, and let
people with larger screens make use of space, making
the page look even better. Almost all web pages
should be designed to work in all screen sizes. You
still decide what screen size you want it to look
the best at, but you want people with different size
screens to be able to best make use of available space.

Wayne Sallee
Wayne@WayneSallee.com