Zewpi wrote:
> "G" <.@.> wrote in message
> news:46d8814d$0$14061$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
>> Zewpi wrote:
>>> "Karl Groves" <karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns999C5D371DAF0karlkarlcorecom@130.81.64.196 ...
>>>> "Zewpi" <zewpi01@cox.net> wrote in
>>>> news:h0uBi.222957$BX3.189106@newsfe13.lga:
>>>>
>>>>> Why does everyone think craigslist is so great? I can't get my
>>>>> posts to stay 15 minutes sometimes before someone flags it for
>>>>> deletion. I try to obey the terms, I post on topic just like
>>>>> everyone else. Sometimes my posts don't even show up even if I
>>>>> never get a message saying they were deleted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like everyone is brainwashed into thinking craigslist is so
>>>>> great. It is unreliable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to post my ads here, but I won't. I suppose they
>>>>> would be attacked as spam or off-topic. Is it appropriate to
>>>>> bitch about craigslist here? That is all I wish to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I could get some volunteers to me post some
>>>>> announcements? Just a thought, nevermind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sounds to me like your posts get flagged as spam and get dumped.
>>>> That's a good thing, IMO. More users of Craigslist should be
>>>> aggressive about flagging spam posts. From where I stand, craigs
>>>> list is a big turd and its
>>>> mostly because of the spammers and scammers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Karl Groves
>>>> http://www.8pistons.com
>>>> http://www.thehotrodclassifieds.com
>>>> http://www.grayscalecms.com
>>>> http://www.karlcore.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wasn't looking for opinions on if I am spamming or not? That is
>>> like arguing religion and politics. We are not going to solve it
>>> today. I have a business, I need to advertise, survival depends on
>>> it - simple. Also not violating www terms as I will not post any
>>> link whatsoever to any of my sites in this message. If you are
>>> curious, email me.
>>> Really, I'm just asking a question. Does anyone have so much
>>> trouble with craigslist? How many complaints does it take to get a
>>> post removed? Seems to me that your competition can send a few
>>> complaints and have your posts removed whether you deserve it or
>>> not. Also, I really have to make sure my posts "actually" get
>>> posted. Many times I post and there is no warning that it has been
>>> deleted, but I search through the ads and my ad is never there.
>>
>> it's free
>> right?
>>
> This is an excuse? Would at least like to warn everyone that it is a
> crappy service, don't you think?

millions use it everyday
can't be that crappy


>> you're business depends on wrasslin with folks who have power over
>> your advert venues?
>>
> Folks that have many dirty little tricks and a lot of money.

gotta be a reason for that don't cha think?

Zewpi wrote:
> "Karl Groves" <karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns999DAF147FFFEkarlkarlcorecom@130.81.64.196 ...
>> "Zewpi" <zewpi01@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:9a%Bi.239181$dA7.23064@newsfe16.lga:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Wasn't looking for opinions on if I am spamming or not?
>>
>> You got it anyway.
>>
> Wow, thanks.
>
>
>>> I
>>> have a business, I need to advertise, survival depends on it - simple.
>>
>> Then pay for advertising or place your listing in a location which allows
>> you to post advertisements.
>>
> How do you know that I don't? I would think I have the right to pursue
> any, some,
> many, or all avenues of promotion whether they be free or not.
>

And they have the right to flag your posting if they think it's
inappropriate - or any other reason, even if they just think you're an
asshole. It's their site, after all. They have a right to reject
whatever they want - and not even provide a reason.

>
>> case-in-point: alt.www.webmaster.ads is *absolutely* an appropriate place
>> for advertising webmaster related products and services.
>> alt.www.webmaster is not.
>>
>> Similarly, there are categories on craigslist within which it is
>> appropriate for you to advertise your product or services. My intuition
>> tells me that your listings were not in the appropriate category and
>> that's why they were flagged.
>>
>>> Also not violating www terms as I will not post any link whatsoever
>>> to any of my sites in this message. If you are curious, email me.
>>
>> No, thanks.
>>
> I absolutley knew I would get a remark on that statement, you fell right
> into my expectations.
>

Actually, I think he was being polite about it. But you immediately
assumed he was being nasty. That says a lot about your character.

>
>>> Really, I'm just asking a question. Does anyone have so much trouble
>>> with craigslist?
>>
>> Nope.
>> I had one listing removed. I have a large number of used car parts for
>> sale and instead of posting one item per ad, I posted a link to a page on
>> my site that had the complete list of parts and pictures of each. The ad
>> was promptly flagged and removed.
>>
>> In retrospect it *was* a violation of their rules. However silly I think
>> it was for someone to flag the ad, I was in the wrong. I subsequently
>> copied & pasted the HTML from my site into the ad and all was well.
>>
>> I have placed dozens of other ads on craigslist and NONE OF THEM (other
>> than the aforementioned list of parts) has ever been removed.
>>
>>
>>> How many complaints does it take to get a post
>>> removed?
>>
>> One.
>>
>>> Seems to me that your competition can send a few complaints
>>> and have your posts removed whether you deserve it or not.
>>
>> Yup. I doubt that's what the case in your situation, though.
>>
> Again, appreciate the opinion. At least you answered my question, though.
>
>> --
>> Karl Groves
>> http://www.8pistons.com
>> http://www.thehotrodclassifieds.com
>> http://www.grayscalecms.com
>> http://www.karlcore.com
>>
> What is all this?

It's called a sig - completely legitimate on usenet.

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"Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
news:6fSdnXohytUIX0XbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Zewpi wrote:
>> "Karl Groves" <karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote in message
>> news:Xns999DAF147FFFEkarlkarlcorecom@130.81.64.196 ...
>>> "Zewpi" <zewpi01@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:9a%Bi.239181$dA7.23064@newsfe16.lga:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wasn't looking for opinions on if I am spamming or not?
>>>
>>> You got it anyway.
>>>
>> Wow, thanks.
>>
>>
>>>> I
>>>> have a business, I need to advertise, survival depends on it - simple.
>>>
>>> Then pay for advertising or place your listing in a location which
>>> allows
>>> you to post advertisements.
>>>
>> How do you know that I don't? I would think I have the right to pursue
>> any, some,
>> many, or all avenues of promotion whether they be free or not.
>>
>
> And they have the right to flag your posting if they think it's
> inappropriate - or any other reason, even if they just think you're an
> asshole. It's their site, after all. They have a right to reject
> whatever they want - and not even provide a reason.
>
Yeah, I get this.

>>
>>> case-in-point: alt.www.webmaster.ads is *absolutely* an appropriate
>>> place
>>> for advertising webmaster related products and services.
>>> alt.www.webmaster is not.
>>>
>>> Similarly, there are categories on craigslist within which it is
>>> appropriate for you to advertise your product or services. My intuition
>>> tells me that your listings were not in the appropriate category and
>>> that's why they were flagged.
>>>
>>>> Also not violating www terms as I will not post any link whatsoever
>>>> to any of my sites in this message. If you are curious, email me.
>>>
>>> No, thanks.
>>>
>> I absolutley knew I would get a remark on that statement, you fell right
>> into my expectations.
>>
>
> Actually, I think he was being polite about it. But you immediately
> assumed he was being nasty. That says a lot about your character.
>
He was being nasty. If he said something like...

"Hi brother, I'm curious, what is your business? I may need to use your
services one day. Maybe I know someone who needs your services and I can
you out."

I would have been floored. This would have demonstrated...not nasty.

You too are being nasty. You have attacked my character from a few
sentences. This says a lot about your character.

You might instead demonstrate...not nasty...by stating

"Hey, I am bothered by the fact that you are having difficulty. Hope things
work out for you. Good luck."

Now you have all put me into a bad mood, I just had some questions.
>>
>>>> Really, I'm just asking a question. Does anyone have so much trouble
>>>> with craigslist?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>> I had one listing removed. I have a large number of used car parts for
>>> sale and instead of posting one item per ad, I posted a link to a page
>>> on
>>> my site that had the complete list of parts and pictures of each. The
>>> ad
>>> was promptly flagged and removed.
>>>
>>> In retrospect it *was* a violation of their rules. However silly I think
>>> it was for someone to flag the ad, I was in the wrong. I subsequently
>>> copied & pasted the HTML from my site into the ad and all was well.
>>>
>>> I have placed dozens of other ads on craigslist and NONE OF THEM (other
>>> than the aforementioned list of parts) has ever been removed.
>>>
>>>
>>>> How many complaints does it take to get a post
>>>> removed?
>>>
>>> One.
>>>
>>>> Seems to me that your competition can send a few complaints
>>>> and have your posts removed whether you deserve it or not.
>>>
>>> Yup. I doubt that's what the case in your situation, though.
>>>
>> Again, appreciate the opinion. At least you answered my question,
>> though.
>>
>>> --
>>> Karl Groves
>>> http://www.8pistons.com
>>> http://www.thehotrodclassifieds.com
>>> http://www.grayscalecms.com
>>> http://www.karlcore.com
>>>
>> What is all this?
>
> It's called a sig - completely legitimate on usenet.
>

Zewpi wrote:
> "Jerry Stuckle" <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:6fSdnXohytUIX0XbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Zewpi wrote:
>>> "Karl Groves" <karl@NOSPAMkarlcore.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns999DAF147FFFEkarlkarlcorecom@130.81.64.196 ...
>>>> "Zewpi" <zewpi01@cox.net> wrote in
>>>> news:9a%Bi.239181$dA7.23064@newsfe16.lga:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Wasn't looking for opinions on if I am spamming or not?
>>>>
>>>> You got it anyway.
>>>>
>>> Wow, thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> have a business, I need to advertise, survival depends on it - simple.
>>>>
>>>> Then pay for advertising or place your listing in a location which
>>>> allows
>>>> you to post advertisements.
>>>>
>>> How do you know that I don't? I would think I have the right to
>>> pursue any, some,
>>> many, or all avenues of promotion whether they be free or not.
>>>
>>
>> And they have the right to flag your posting if they think it's
>> inappropriate - or any other reason, even if they just think you're an
>> asshole. It's their site, after all. They have a right to reject
>> whatever they want - and not even provide a reason.
>>
> Yeah, I get this.
>
>>>
>>>> case-in-point: alt.www.webmaster.ads is *absolutely* an appropriate
>>>> place
>>>> for advertising webmaster related products and services.
>>>> alt.www.webmaster is not.
>>>>
>>>> Similarly, there are categories on craigslist within which it is
>>>> appropriate for you to advertise your product or services. My
>>>> intuition
>>>> tells me that your listings were not in the appropriate category and
>>>> that's why they were flagged.
>>>>
>>>>> Also not violating www terms as I will not post any link whatsoever
>>>>> to any of my sites in this message. If you are curious, email me.
>>>>
>>>> No, thanks.
>>>>
>>> I absolutley knew I would get a remark on that statement, you fell
>>> right into my expectations.
>>>
>>
>> Actually, I think he was being polite about it. But you immediately
>> assumed he was being nasty. That says a lot about your character.
>>
> He was being nasty. If he said something like...
>
> "Hi brother, I'm curious, what is your business? I may need to use your
> services one day. Maybe I know someone who needs your services and I
> can you out."
>
> I would have been floored. This would have demonstrated...not nasty.
>
> You too are being nasty. You have attacked my character from a few
> sentences. This says a lot about your character.
>
> You might instead demonstrate...not nasty...by stating
>
> "Hey, I am bothered by the fact that you are having difficulty. Hope
> things work out for you. Good luck."
>
> Now you have all put me into a bad mood, I just had some questions.

That's your interpretation. But I also happen to know Karl. He has no
reason to be nasty. In fact, he's quite a nice guy. And he was
thanking you for not posting a bunch of urls.

And no, I'm not being nasty. I could be, if I wanted to. I just made
an observation about how you seem to take everything as a personal
attack on you.

I'd suggest you either get over it or get a job flipping burgers at
McDonalds. You'll never make it as an independent with that think skin.

As for your questions - frankly, I don't give a damn - at least not any
more.

>>>
>>>>> Really, I'm just asking a question. Does anyone have so much trouble
>>>>> with craigslist?
>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>> I had one listing removed. I have a large number of used car parts for
>>>> sale and instead of posting one item per ad, I posted a link to a
>>>> page on
>>>> my site that had the complete list of parts and pictures of each.
>>>> The ad
>>>> was promptly flagged and removed.
>>>>
>>>> In retrospect it *was* a violation of their rules. However silly I
>>>> think
>>>> it was for someone to flag the ad, I was in the wrong. I subsequently
>>>> copied & pasted the HTML from my site into the ad and all was well.
>>>>
>>>> I have placed dozens of other ads on craigslist and NONE OF THEM (other
>>>> than the aforementioned list of parts) has ever been removed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How many complaints does it take to get a post
>>>>> removed?
>>>>
>>>> One.
>>>>
>>>>> Seems to me that your competition can send a few complaints
>>>>> and have your posts removed whether you deserve it or not.
>>>>
>>>> Yup. I doubt that's what the case in your situation, though.
>>>>
>>> Again, appreciate the opinion. At least you answered my question,
>>> though.
>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Karl Groves
>>>> http://www.8pistons.com
>>>> http://www.thehotrodclassifieds.com
>>>> http://www.grayscalecms.com
>>>> http://www.karlcore.com
>>>>
>>> What is all this?
>>
>> It's called a sig - completely legitimate on usenet.
>>
>


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Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message:
6fSdnXohytUIX0XbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com,
> And they have the right to flag your posting if they think it's
> inappropriate - or any other reason, even if they just think you're an
> asshole. It's their site, after all. They have a right to reject
> whatever they want - and not even provide a reason.

Actually, I think it's the users who do the flagging.

http://www.craigslist.org/about/...ity_moderation
"If a post receives enough negative flags it will automatically be
removed (only one flag per person per post is counted)."

So there is no human intervention, and I've heard of there being some
malicious flagging going on between Craigslist users

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/200...4/18294498.php
"Members of the agency were concerned about community forums like
Craigslist which are read by millions of people. Our job at Tomkins and
Scott, my job specifically, was to monitor Craigslist and summarily flag
all postings which reflected negatively upon the city in any way. I am
going public with this because, after 3 years of being a censor for
Craigslist, I believe what we are doing is totally wrong. "

Here is just one forum of many on Craigslist where people solicit each
other to flag posts so that they will be removed:
http://forums.craigslist.org/?forumID=5194

There are many people on Craigslist who do nothing but "flag" aka
spamcop and a lot of these people make Viper look like a creampuff.

--
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Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> wrote in message:
6fSdnXohytUIX0XbnZ2dnUVZ_s-pnZ2d@comcast.com,
> And they have the right to flag your posting if they think it's
> inappropriate - or any other reason, even if they just think you're an
> asshole. It's their site, after all. They have a right to reject
> whatever they want - and not even provide a reason.

Actually, I think it's the users who do the flagging.

http://www.craigslist.org/about/...ity_moderation
"If a post receives enough negative flags it will automatically be
removed (only one flag per person per post is counted)."

So there is no human intervention, and I've heard of there being some
malicious flagging going on between Craigslist users

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/200...4/18294498.php
"Members of the agency were concerned about community forums like
Craigslist which are read by millions of people. Our job at Tomkins and
Scott, my job specifically, was to monitor Craigslist and summarily flag
all postings which reflected negatively upon the city in any way. I am
going public with this because, after 3 years of being a censor for
Craigslist, I believe what we are doing is totally wrong. "

Here is just one forum of many on Craigslist where people solicit each
other to flag posts so that they will be removed:
http://forums.craigslist.org/?forumID=5194

There are many people on Craigslist who do nothing but "flag" aka
spamcop and a lot of these people make Viper look like a creampuff.

--
Red