This is really driving me nuts. I have worked my tail off to get
listed with Google withing the first few hundred sites on the very
competitive search term "poetry" Fine. But in the last few months
I've been dropped so low I/m not listed in the first 1000. However
with Yahoo my site is #55 and with MSN #274 on "poetry." I believe
that is a respectable showing which my site should have.

Why is this happening? Why is Google killing my placement? l I have
another site http://www.site-programming.com which I use to test
changes that I intend to apply to my main site. I just discovered
that Google has indexed this site, obviously against my will. To them
it looks like a bogus attempt to create a large number of back-links.
It is quite obvious that Google is using this testing site against me
to kill my ratings. Talk about unfair !!

Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
search engines ?

I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *

Bob

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com"
<bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com> writing in news:1173240289.707966.170050
@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> This is really driving me nuts. I have worked my tail off to get
> listed with Google withing the first few hundred sites on the very
> competitive search term "poetry" Fine. But in the last few months
> I've been dropped so low I/m not listed in the first 1000. However
> with Yahoo my site is #55 and with MSN #274 on "poetry." I believe
> that is a respectable showing which my site should have.
>
> Why is this happening? Why is Google killing my placement? l I have
> another site http://www.site-programming.com which I use to test
> changes that I intend to apply to my main site. I just discovered
> that Google has indexed this site, obviously against my will. To them
> it looks like a bogus attempt to create a large number of back-links.
> It is quite obvious that Google is using this testing site against me
> to kill my ratings. Talk about unfair !!
>
> Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
> get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
> the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
> search engines ?
>
> I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *
>
> Bob
>
>

You can put something there server side, a login or something.

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On Mar 6, 11:07 pm, Adrienne Boswell <arb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "bobbe...@prose-n-poetry.com"
> <bobbe...@prose-n-poetry.com> writing in news:1173240289.707966.170050
> @c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
> > This is really driving me nuts. I have worked my tail off to get
> > listed with Google withing the first few hundred sites on the very
> > competitive search term "poetry" Fine. But in the last few months
> > I've been dropped so low I/m not listed in the first 1000. However
> > with Yahoo my site is #55 and with MSN #274 on "poetry." I believe
> > that is a respectable showing which my site should have.
>
> > Why is this happening? Why is Google killing my placement? l I have
> > another sitehttp://www.site-programming.comwhich I use to test
> > changes that I intend to apply to my main site. I just discovered
> > that Google has indexed this site, obviously against my will. To them
> > it looks like a bogus attempt to create a large number of back-links.
> > It is quite obvious that Google is using this testing site against me
> > to kill my ratings. Talk about unfair !!
>
> > Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
> > get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
> > the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
> > search engines ?
>
> > I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *
>
> > Bob
>
> You can put something there server side, a login or something.
>
> --
> Adrienne Boswell at Home
> Arbpen Web Site Design Serviceshttp://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
> Please respond to the group so others can share

Thanks, I made the entire test site password protected.

This happened once before and a Google Rep was on this forum and got
my site un-banned. Short of that (unless there is a Google Rep
reading this who will get my site removed from any banned list) how
can I get Google to drop Site-programming from their index and un-
block and relist Prose-n-Poetry?

bob

>
> Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
> get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
> the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
> search engines ?
>
> I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *
>
> Bob
>

site:www.prose-n-poetry.com returns about 27000 results on Google.

site:www.site-programming.com and www.site-programming.com on Google returns
no results, so you may already be in the right place.



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On Mar 7, 12:26 am, "Rich" <n...@amnospam.net> wrote:
> > Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
> > get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
> > the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
> > search engines ?
>
> > I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *
>
> > Bob
>
> site:www.prose-n-poetry.comreturns about 27000 results on Google.
>
> site:http://www.site-programming.comandww...gramming.comon Google returns
> no results, so you may already be in the right place.
>
> --
> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com

27,000 is about right for Prose-n-Poetry. I'm not sure how you are
getting no listing for Site-programming but this is what I see:
http://www.google.com/search?q=site-programming.com

On that page site-programming.com is listed as the very first one.
The description of it is exactly the same as the description for my
site, Prose-n-Poetry.com. If you look at the omitted results they are
several of the same pages as Prose-n-Poetry (PnP). So I still have
the problem.

I went to here: http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller
and requested that site-programming be removed and I was told that it
would within 5 days.

However, even when removed, that does not necessarily remove any black-
listing of Prose-n-Poetry. So how do I check that and if my suspicions
are correct, how do I get any black-listing of PnP removed ?

bob

>>
>> site:www.prose-n-poetry.comreturns about 27000 results on Google.
>>
>> site:http://www.site-programming.comandww...gramming.comon Google returns
>> no results, so you may already be in the right place.
>>
>> --
>> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com
>
> 27,000 is about right for Prose-n-Poetry. I'm not sure how you are
> getting no listing for Site-programming but this is what I see:
> http://www.google.com/search?q=site-programming.com
>
> On that page site-programming.com is listed as the very first one.
> The description of it is exactly the same as the description for my
> site, Prose-n-Poetry.com. If you look at the omitted results they are
> several of the same pages as Prose-n-Poetry (PnP). So I still have
> the problem.
>
> I went to here: http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller
> and requested that site-programming be removed and I was told that it
> would within 5 days.
>
> However, even when removed, that does not necessarily remove any black-
> listing of Prose-n-Poetry. So how do I check that and if my suspicions
> are correct, how do I get any black-listing of PnP removed ?
>
> bob


Bob,

I think some of it is down to you using your domain name both with and
without www.

For example www.site-programming.com is protected by .htaccess, whereas
http://site-programming.com isn't.

I was searching for the www version.

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On 6 Mar 2007 20:04:49 -0800, "bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com"
<bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com> wrote:

>This is really driving me nuts. I have worked my tail off to get
>listed with Google withing the first few hundred sites on the very
>competitive search term "poetry" Fine. But in the last few months
>I've been dropped so low I/m not listed in the first 1000. However
>with Yahoo my site is #55 and with MSN #274 on "poetry." I believe
>that is a respectable showing which my site should have.
>
>Why is this happening? Why is Google killing my placement? l I have
>another site http://www.site-programming.com which I use to test
>changes that I intend to apply to my main site. I just discovered
>that Google has indexed this site, obviously against my will. To them
>it looks like a bogus attempt to create a large number of back-links.
>It is quite obvious that Google is using this testing site against me
>to kill my ratings. Talk about unfair !!

You have to remove the test site, I'd imagine.

>
>Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
>get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
>the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
>search engines ?
>
>I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *

That's about all you can do. Since it's already been spidered, though,
I think your only option is to take it out of the index. Take the site
down and use the Url Removal Tool to get the individual urls out of
the index.

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On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 05:26:40 -0000, "Rich" <nosp@amnospam.net> wrote:

>
>>
>> Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
>> get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
>> the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
>> search engines ?
>>
>> I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
>site:www.prose-n-poetry.com returns about 27000 results on Google.
>
>site:www.site-programming.com and www.site-programming.com on Google returns
>no results, so you may already be in the right place.

The site operator isn't working again. Vanessa Fox has been publicly
talking about this.

BB
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On 6 Mar 2007 20:54:13 -0800, "bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com"
<bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com> wrote:

>On Mar 6, 11:07 pm, Adrienne Boswell <arb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "bobbe...@prose-n-poetry.com"
>> <bobbe...@prose-n-poetry.com> writing in news:1173240289.707966.170050
>> @c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>> > This is really driving me nuts. I have worked my tail off to get
>> > listed with Google withing the first few hundred sites on the very
>> > competitive search term "poetry" Fine. But in the last few months
>> > I've been dropped so low I/m not listed in the first 1000. However
>> > with Yahoo my site is #55 and with MSN #274 on "poetry." I believe
>> > that is a respectable showing which my site should have.
>>
>> > Why is this happening? Why is Google killing my placement? l I have
>> > another sitehttp://www.site-programming.comwhich I use to test
>> > changes that I intend to apply to my main site. I just discovered
>> > that Google has indexed this site, obviously against my will. To them
>> > it looks like a bogus attempt to create a large number of back-links.
>> > It is quite obvious that Google is using this testing site against me
>> > to kill my ratings. Talk about unfair !!
>>
>> > Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
>> > get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
>> > the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
>> > search engines ?
>>
>> > I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *
>>
>> > Bob
>>
>> You can put something there server side, a login or something.
>>
>> --
>> Adrienne Boswell at Home
>> Arbpen Web Site Design Serviceshttp://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
>> Please respond to the group so others can share
>
>Thanks, I made the entire test site password protected.

>This happened once before and a Google Rep was on this forum and got
>my site un-banned.

*This* forum? I don't believe we ever had Googlers on here.

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On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:42:25 -0000, "Rich" <nosp@amnospam.net> wrote:

>
>>>
>>> site:www.prose-n-poetry.comreturns about 27000 results on Google.
>>>
>>> site:http://www.site-programming.comandww...gramming.comon Google returns
>>> no results, so you may already be in the right place.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com
>>
>> 27,000 is about right for Prose-n-Poetry. I'm not sure how you are
>> getting no listing for Site-programming but this is what I see:
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=site-programming.com
>>
>> On that page site-programming.com is listed as the very first one.
>> The description of it is exactly the same as the description for my
>> site, Prose-n-Poetry.com. If you look at the omitted results they are
>> several of the same pages as Prose-n-Poetry (PnP). So I still have
>> the problem.
>>
>> I went to here: http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller
>> and requested that site-programming be removed and I was told that it
>> would within 5 days.
>>
>> However, even when removed, that does not necessarily remove any black-
>> listing of Prose-n-Poetry. So how do I check that and if my suspicions
>> are correct, how do I get any black-listing of PnP removed ?
>>
>> bob
>
>
>Bob,
>
>I think some of it is down to you using your domain name both with and
>without www.
>
>For example www.site-programming.com is protected by .htaccess, whereas
>http://site-programming.com isn't.
>
>I was searching for the www version.

Well-spotted.

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On 6 Mar 2007 21:51:59 -0800, "bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com"
<bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com> wrote:

>On Mar 7, 12:26 am, "Rich" <n...@amnospam.net> wrote:
>> > Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
>> > get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
>> > the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
>> > search engines ?
>>
>> > I am aware of Robots.txt and I have it set to disallow *
>>
>> > Bob
>>
>> site:www.prose-n-poetry.comreturns about 27000 results on Google.
>>
>> site:http://www.site-programming.comandww...gramming.comon Google returns
>> no results, so you may already be in the right place.
>>
>> --
>> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com
>
>27,000 is about right for Prose-n-Poetry. I'm not sure how you are
>getting no listing for Site-programming but this is what I see:
>http://www.google.com/search?q=site-programming.com
>
>On that page site-programming.com is listed as the very first one.
>The description of it is exactly the same as the description for my
>site, Prose-n-Poetry.com. If you look at the omitted results they are
>several of the same pages as Prose-n-Poetry (PnP). So I still have
>the problem.
>
>I went to here: http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller
>and requested that site-programming be removed and I was told that it
>would within 5 days.

If it worked, you mean, the url removal tool's declarations aren't
like God talking.

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On Mar 7, 1:42 am, "Rich" <n...@amnospam.net> wrote:
> >> site:www.prose-n-poetry.comreturnsabout 27000 results on Google.
>
> >> site:http://www.site-programming.comandww...ng.comonGoogle returns
> >> no results, so you may already be in the right place.
>
> >> --
> >> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com
>
> > 27,000 is about right for Prose-n-Poetry. I'm not sure how you are
> > getting no listing for Site-programming but this is what I see:
> >http://www.google.com/search?q=site-programming.com
>
> > On that page site-programming.com is listed as the very first one.
> > The description of it is exactly the same as the description for my
> > site, Prose-n-Poetry.com. If you look at the omitted results they are
> > several of the same pages as Prose-n-Poetry (PnP). So I still have
> > the problem.
>
> > I went to here:http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller
> > and requested that site-programming be removed and I was told that it
> > would within 5 days.
>
> > However, even when removed, that does not necessarily remove any black-
> > listing of Prose-n-Poetry. So how do I check that and if my suspicions
> > are correct, how do I get any black-listing of PnP removed ?
>
> > bob
>
> Bob,
>
> I think some of it is down to you using your domain name both with and
> without www.
>
> For examplewww.site-programming.comis protected by .htaccess, whereashttp://site-programming.comisn't.
>
> I was searching for the www version.
>
> --
> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm

Thanks for noticing the www. problem. I edited httpd.conf and made a
permanent redirect for site-programming to www.site-programming.

I went back to http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller and
made sure that I requested that both the www and the without www be
removed.

Still I see no way to make google aware that I was not trying to cheat
their system and that they should not penalize me for this. I never
requested that the test site ever be indexed. I have never made any
links to the test site so I really don't know how they located it.

I worked very hard to get PnP within position #300 or so on a search
on "poetry." That may not seem like much, but most people use more
than one word in searches. In searches on "poetry" + one other word,
I was very often coming up on page 1.

bob

On 7 Mar 2007 00:05:46 -0800, "bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com"
<bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com> wrote:

>On Mar 7, 1:42 am, "Rich" <n...@amnospam.net> wrote:
>> >> site:www.prose-n-poetry.comreturnsabout 27000 results on Google.
>>
>> >> site:http://www.site-programming.comandww...ng.comonGoogle returns
>> >> no results, so you may already be in the right place.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com
>>
>> > 27,000 is about right for Prose-n-Poetry. I'm not sure how you are
>> > getting no listing for Site-programming but this is what I see:
>> >http://www.google.com/search?q=site-programming.com
>>
>> > On that page site-programming.com is listed as the very first one.
>> > The description of it is exactly the same as the description for my
>> > site, Prose-n-Poetry.com. If you look at the omitted results they are
>> > several of the same pages as Prose-n-Poetry (PnP). So I still have
>> > the problem.
>>
>> > I went to here:http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller
>> > and requested that site-programming be removed and I was told that it
>> > would within 5 days.
>>
>> > However, even when removed, that does not necessarily remove any black-
>> > listing of Prose-n-Poetry. So how do I check that and if my suspicions
>> > are correct, how do I get any black-listing of PnP removed ?
>>
>> > bob
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I think some of it is down to you using your domain name both with and
>> without www.
>>
>> For examplewww.site-programming.comis protected by .htaccess, whereashttp://site-programming.comisn't.
>>
>> I was searching for the www version.
>>
>> --
>> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm
>
>Thanks for noticing the www. problem. I edited httpd.conf and made a
>permanent redirect for site-programming to www.site-programming.
>
>I went back to http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller and
>made sure that I requested that both the www and the without www be
>removed.
>
>Still I see no way to make google aware that I was not trying to cheat
>their system and that they should not penalize me for this. I never
>requested that the test site ever be indexed. I have never made any
>links to the test site so I really don't know how they located it.

Google toolbar phoning home maybe?

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<bobbetts@prose-n-poetry.com> wrote...
> Question? How can I PERMANENTLY keep google off this testing site and
> get then to return my main site (http://Prose-n-Poetry.com) site to
> the status it should enjoy.... in fact does enjoy with other major
> search engines ?

Clue:
http://www.prose-n-poetry.com/resources/
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>>
>> > 27,000 is about right for Prose-n-Poetry. I'm not sure how you are
>> > getting no listing for Site-programming but this is what I see:
>> >http://www.google.com/search?q=site-programming.com
>>
>> > On that page site-programming.com is listed as the very first one.
>> > The description of it is exactly the same as the description for my
>> > site, Prose-n-Poetry.com. If you look at the omitted results they are
>> > several of the same pages as Prose-n-Poetry (PnP). So I still have
>> > the problem.
>>
>> > I went to here:http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller
>> > and requested that site-programming be removed and I was told that it
>> > would within 5 days.
>>
>> > However, even when removed, that does not necessarily remove any black-
>> > listing of Prose-n-Poetry. So how do I check that and if my suspicions
>> > are correct, how do I get any black-listing of PnP removed ?
>>
>> > bob
>>
>> Bob,
>>
>> I think some of it is down to you using your domain name both with and
>> without www.
>>
>> For examplewww.site-programming.comis protected by .htaccess,
>> whereashttp://site-programming.comisn't.
>>
>> I was searching for the www version.
>>
>> --
>> Richhttp://www.richdavies.com/profit-protection-recruitment.htm
>
> Thanks for noticing the www. problem. I edited httpd.conf and made a
> permanent redirect for site-programming to www.site-programming.
>
> I went back to http://services.google.com/urlconsole/controller and
> made sure that I requested that both the www and the without www be
> removed.
>
> Still I see no way to make google aware that I was not trying to cheat
> their system and that they should not penalize me for this. I never
> requested that the test site ever be indexed. I have never made any
> links to the test site so I really don't know how they located it.
>
> I worked very hard to get PnP within position #300 or so on a search
> on "poetry." That may not seem like much, but most people use more
> than one word in searches. In searches on "poetry" + one other word,
> I was very often coming up on page 1.
>
> bob
>

Bob,

Although you didn't want it indexing, this:-

http://www.phpinsider.com/smarty-for...89e49338c86e94

may have been enough, depending on the page links on your . Not sure if this
was a genuine forum post or if this is a scraper site republishing a usenet
post.

Give Google time to catch up with both versions of site-programming being
invisable to it, your site will suddenly climb.

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