I want some paid SEO, and there any major SEO companies, eg the
bellwethers?

On 22 Sep 2006 01:43:50 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:

>I want some paid SEO, and there any major SEO companies, eg the
>bellwethers?

Why do you want SEO now, I thought you were doing well through your
advertising?

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Big Bill wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2006 01:43:50 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> >I want some paid SEO, and there any major SEO companies, eg the
> >bellwethers?
>
> Why do you want SEO now, I thought you were doing well through your
> advertising?

Well, this market changes quicker than anything I have seen before.
What is true a month ago, is not true now.

Basically, everyone and his dog have jumped into web sales, and the
market pressure is intense. B and Q are now selling quality bathrooms,
and everything is changing very quickly.

There is a lot of money to made, but you have to be clever

Anyway, I do have to get some professional to survive. I did make
some enquiries but people start thinking I am richer than Bill Gates,
and quote accordingly.
>
> BB
> --
>
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On 22 Sep 2006 04:31:11 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:

>
>Big Bill wrote:
>> On 22 Sep 2006 01:43:50 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I want some paid SEO, and there any major SEO companies, eg the
>> >bellwethers?
>>
>> Why do you want SEO now, I thought you were doing well through your
>> advertising?
>
>Well, this market changes quicker than anything I have seen before.
>What is true a month ago, is not true now.
>
>Basically, everyone and his dog have jumped into web sales, and the
>market pressure is intense. B and Q are now selling quality bathrooms,
>and everything is changing very quickly.
>
>There is a lot of money to made, but you have to be clever
>
>Anyway, I do have to get some professional to survive. I did make
>some enquiries but people start thinking I am richer than Bill Gates,
>and quote accordingly.

What do you need done?
Incidentally I bought the James Dyson book but I didn't read it yet.

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Big Bill wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2006 04:31:11 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Big Bill wrote:
> >> On 22 Sep 2006 01:43:50 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I want some paid SEO, and there any major SEO companies, eg the
> >> >bellwethers?
> >>
> >> Why do you want SEO now, I thought you were doing well through your
> >> advertising?
> >
> >Well, this market changes quicker than anything I have seen before.
> >What is true a month ago, is not true now.
> >
> >Basically, everyone and his dog have jumped into web sales, and the
> >market pressure is intense. B and Q are now selling quality bathrooms,
> >and everything is changing very quickly.
> >
> >There is a lot of money to made, but you have to be clever
> >
> >Anyway, I do have to get some professional to survive. I did make
> >some enquiries but people start thinking I am richer than Bill Gates,
> >and quote accordingly.
>
> What do you need done?
> Incidentally I bought the James Dyson book but I didn't read it yet.

Well, basically I need someone to give me an overview of the whole SEO
approach benfits/drawbacks/costs/competition/future and then I can
decide which direction is best. My knowledge of SEO is very limited, so
I really need an overview of all options and where options would take
me.

I was really looking for the blue-chip equivalent of SEO, as I don't
want tricks or scams, I just want to get my products better visible to
customers.

Regarding Dyson, I read most of his book. His is definitely a screwed
up guy. I like reading about people who beat the odds, like Perot,
Gates (yawn). Most of them are screwed up.

>
> BB
> --
>
> http://www.crystal-liaison.com/angel...-guardian.html
> http://www.crystal-liaison.com/anri/black-king.html
> http://www.crystal-liaison.com/art-i...ax-appeal.html

On 22 Sep 2006 05:45:31 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:

>
>Big Bill wrote:
>> On 22 Sep 2006 04:31:11 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Big Bill wrote:
>> >> On 22 Sep 2006 01:43:50 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I want some paid SEO, and there any major SEO companies, eg the
>> >> >bellwethers?
>> >>
>> >> Why do you want SEO now, I thought you were doing well through your
>> >> advertising?
>> >
>> >Well, this market changes quicker than anything I have seen before.
>> >What is true a month ago, is not true now.
>> >
>> >Basically, everyone and his dog have jumped into web sales, and the
>> >market pressure is intense. B and Q are now selling quality bathrooms,
>> >and everything is changing very quickly.
>> >
>> >There is a lot of money to made, but you have to be clever
>> >
>> >Anyway, I do have to get some professional to survive. I did make
>> >some enquiries but people start thinking I am richer than Bill Gates,
>> >and quote accordingly.
>>
>> What do you need done?
>> Incidentally I bought the James Dyson book but I didn't read it yet.
>
>Well, basically I need someone to give me an overview of the whole SEO
>approach benfits/drawbacks/costs/competition/future and then I can
>decide which direction is best. My knowledge of SEO is very limited, so
>I really need an overview of all options and where options would take
>me.

I think it'll come down to who spends most. What's the diff between
your bathroom site and all the others that sell the same gear? What
makes it better? That's what SEO tends to focus on and get you an
online rep for. Otherwise you pay for online advertising and PPC which
as you'll be well aware has a recognised element of fraud but many
feel it's still worthwhile. If you advertise better and more then
you'll get clients. If you run more vigorous PPC campaigns then you'll
get clients but in both instances you have to ask yourself whether the
profit will justify the outlay.

>I was really looking for the blue-chip equivalent of SEO, as I don't
>want tricks or scams,

That might be where the biggest tricksters are. Some reputable people,
Grehan, Sullivan, are leaving the companies they built the reputations
of as they've been bought out and I gather they don't get on with the
philosophies of the new owners. Blue chip can be transient.

> I just want to get my products better visible to
>customers.

You'll need a USP.

>Regarding Dyson, I read most of his book. His is definitely a screwed
>up guy. I like reading about people who beat the odds, like Perot,
>Gates (yawn). Most of them are screwed up.

I haven't read about them yet either!

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Big Bill wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2006 05:45:31 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Big Bill wrote:
> >> On 22 Sep 2006 04:31:11 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Big Bill wrote:
> >> >> On 22 Sep 2006 01:43:50 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >I want some paid SEO, and there any major SEO companies, eg the
> >> >> >bellwethers?
> >> >>
> >> >> Why do you want SEO now, I thought you were doing well through your
> >> >> advertising?
> >> >
> >> >Well, this market changes quicker than anything I have seen before.
> >> >What is true a month ago, is not true now.
> >> >
> >> >Basically, everyone and his dog have jumped into web sales, and the
> >> >market pressure is intense. B and Q are now selling quality bathrooms,
> >> >and everything is changing very quickly.
> >> >
> >> >There is a lot of money to made, but you have to be clever
> >> >
> >> >Anyway, I do have to get some professional to survive. I did make
> >> >some enquiries but people start thinking I am richer than Bill Gates,
> >> >and quote accordingly.
> >>
> >> What do you need done?
> >> Incidentally I bought the James Dyson book but I didn't read it yet.
> >
> >Well, basically I need someone to give me an overview of the whole SEO
> >approach benfits/drawbacks/costs/competition/future and then I can
> >decide which direction is best. My knowledge of SEO is very limited, so
> >I really need an overview of all options and where options would take
> >me.
>
> I think it'll come down to who spends most. What's the diff between
> your bathroom site and all the others that sell the same gear? What
> makes it better? That's what SEO tends to focus on and get you an
> online rep for. Otherwise you pay for online advertising and PPC which
> as you'll be well aware has a recognised element of fraud but many
> feel it's still worthwhile. If you advertise better and more then
> you'll get clients. If you run more vigorous PPC campaigns then you'll
> get clients but in both instances you have to ask yourself whether the
> profit will justify the outlay.

Actually that is one view from an SEO viewpoint. But the actual issue
is about marrying technical aspects to business methods which are then
joined to products for sale. This is all a long more complex than just
selling an item. It depends on what you paid for it (a very complex
issue), and what returns policy you have and also carriage costs.

So the simple methods of the past won't work now.

So how do I get SEO quotes????

>
> >I was really looking for the blue-chip equivalent of SEO, as I don't
> >want tricks or scams,
>
> That might be where the biggest tricksters are. Some reputable people,
> Grehan, Sullivan, are leaving the companies they built the reputations
> of as they've been bought out and I gather they don't get on with the
> philosophies of the new owners. Blue chip can be transient.
>
Do you have any websites for the the big SEO companies, like the
equivalent of IBM

> > I just want to get my products better visible to
> >customers.
>
> You'll need a USP.

Actually, as I implied above this is a lot more complex than past
analysis would suggest. China has changed everyone's thinking, it is
possible to buy something at 10 pounds and sell it for 100 pounds and
give the end user a 50% discount. Is that a USP?

I can of course expand on these points. But the fundamental issue is
the relationships between SEO, business, product sales, which means
getting visitors, getting sales, and then getting no returns with
referrals afterwards. It also means having good supply lines, and much
more!

>
> >Regarding Dyson, I read most of his book. His is definitely a screwed
> >up guy. I like reading about people who beat the odds, like Perot,
> >Gates (yawn). Most of them are screwed up.
>
> I haven't read about them yet either!

Perot: thinks WH (white house) is corrupt and incompetent, he wants
everyone to be a business man/woman.
Gates: DoJ is anti-American, Gates wants to buy Earth and rent it to
the population
Dyson: British business relies on short term advertising, he wants a
nation of engineers and long term thinkers

>
> BB
> --
>
> http://www.crystal-liaison.com/angel...-guardian.html
> http://www.crystal-liaison.com/anri/black-king.html
> http://www.crystal-liaison.com/art-i...ax-appeal.html

On 22 Sep 2006 07:03:50 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:

>
>Big Bill wrote:
>> On 22 Sep 2006 05:45:31 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Big Bill wrote:
>> >> On 22 Sep 2006 04:31:11 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Big Bill wrote:
>> >> >> On 22 Sep 2006 01:43:50 -0700, "Logician" <sales@logicians.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >I want some paid SEO, and there any major SEO companies, eg the
>> >> >> >bellwethers?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Why do you want SEO now, I thought you were doing well through your
>> >> >> advertising?
>> >> >
>> >> >Well, this market changes quicker than anything I have seen before.
>> >> >What is true a month ago, is not true now.
>> >> >
>> >> >Basically, everyone and his dog have jumped into web sales, and the
>> >> >market pressure is intense. B and Q are now selling quality bathrooms,
>> >> >and everything is changing very quickly.
>> >> >
>> >> >There is a lot of money to made, but you have to be clever
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyway, I do have to get some professional to survive. I did make
>> >> >some enquiries but people start thinking I am richer than Bill Gates,
>> >> >and quote accordingly.
>> >>
>> >> What do you need done?
>> >> Incidentally I bought the James Dyson book but I didn't read it yet.
>> >
>> >Well, basically I need someone to give me an overview of the whole SEO
>> >approach benfits/drawbacks/costs/competition/future and then I can
>> >decide which direction is best. My knowledge of SEO is very limited, so
>> >I really need an overview of all options and where options would take
>> >me.
>>
>> I think it'll come down to who spends most. What's the diff between
>> your bathroom site and all the others that sell the same gear? What
>> makes it better? That's what SEO tends to focus on and get you an
>> online rep for. Otherwise you pay for online advertising and PPC which
>> as you'll be well aware has a recognised element of fraud but many
>> feel it's still worthwhile. If you advertise better and more then
>> you'll get clients. If you run more vigorous PPC campaigns then you'll
>> get clients but in both instances you have to ask yourself whether the
>> profit will justify the outlay.
>
>Actually that is one view from an SEO viewpoint. But the actual issue
>is about marrying technical aspects to business methods which are then
>joined to products for sale. This is all a long more complex than just
>selling an item. It depends on what you paid for it (a very complex
>issue), and what returns policy you have and also carriage costs.
>
>So the simple methods of the past won't work now.
>
>So how do I get SEO quotes????

Ask.

>>
>> >I was really looking for the blue-chip equivalent of SEO, as I don't
>> >want tricks or scams,
>>
>> That might be where the biggest tricksters are. Some reputable people,
>> Grehan, Sullivan, are leaving the companies they built the reputations
>> of as they've been bought out and I gather they don't get on with the
>> philosophies of the new owners. Blue chip can be transient.
>>
>Do you have any websites for the the big SEO companies, like the
>equivalent of IBM

Depends how you measure big! Rand Fishkin recently went online to give
a breakdown of how his company price things. Google him. Or Jill
Whalen (hey, I didn't say I "like" IBM!)

>> > I just want to get my products better visible to
>> >customers.
>>
>> You'll need a USP.
>
>Actually, as I implied above this is a lot more complex than past
>analysis would suggest. China has changed everyone's thinking, it is
>possible to buy something at 10 pounds and sell it for 100 pounds and
>give the end user a 50% discount. Is that a USP?

So long as no-one else is doing it.

>I can of course expand on these points. But the fundamental issue is
>the relationships between SEO, business, product sales, which means
>getting visitors, getting sales, and then getting no returns with
>referrals afterwards. It also means having good supply lines, and much
>more!

Those aren't SEO concerns.

>> >Regarding Dyson, I read most of his book. His is definitely a screwed
>> >up guy. I like reading about people who beat the odds, like Perot,
>> >Gates (yawn). Most of them are screwed up.
>>
>> I haven't read about them yet either!
>
>Perot: thinks WH (white house) is corrupt and incompetent, he wants
>everyone to be a business man/woman.

Hallo-o... consumer society vanishing into history, hallo-o...

>Gates: DoJ is anti-American, Gates wants to buy Earth and rent it to
>the population

and that's why the consumer society is going...

>Dyson: British business relies on short term advertising, he wants a
>nation of engineers and long term thinkers

what he's going to get in the UK is woodsmen. There's long-term
thinking.

BB
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